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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: JJ on September 25, 2018, 04:46:08 PM
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Meanwhile...I present to you...the LAST Victory Cross Country! :shocked: :rolleyes: :cool: :thumb:
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As a former Victory dealer...having owned a few Victorys...I now own two...they have to. I won’t buy a present day Indian. Build something special...that’s a different story now
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They are making moves, but that is a bold one. Not sure what an inline 4 would do for them in this market ruled by v-twins.
I like the move to the FTR1200. That shows an expanding target base.
I don't see them straying too far off what works.
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I would love, LOVE!, an air/oil cooled in line four. Not sure if you could with today's noise and emission regs. But something smaller like a Scout but with a steel tube frame, not a huge bike with lotsa alloy.
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I was hopping for something smaller like an Arrow (https://www.bike-urious.com/1949-indian-arrow/) cause I like smaller bikes, but I'm guessing cost would kill that idea.
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I think anything like that would immediately be compared to
triumphs rocket 3.
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I don't think that's going to happen. I wouldn't if I were in charge.
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A buddy of mine in the cafe racer club has all the parts to build one. That is an inline 4 mounted length wise. I've visited with him about it. Modern inline 4's are quite compact with most of the accessory stuff mounted behind the cylinders. Probably not much longer than a 72 degree vee twin motor would be. That would keep the wheelbase fairly short. I think the BMW K100 had a relatively compact 59"/60" wheelbase. Of course water cooling keeps the rear cylinders cool. It's quite due able.
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Realistically, and most likely, it would be impractical and costly, but POLARIS certainly has the resources to pull it off. A cool engineering experiment anyway.
Would at least like to see a concept drawing from their design department.... :cool: :thumb: :smiley: :wink:
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Not sure what an inline 4 would do for them in this market ruled by v-twins.
Agreed. Buyers in this market love the V-twin sound.
I would love, LOVE!, an air/oil cooled in line four. Not sure if you could with today's noise and emission regs. But something smaller like a Scout but with a steel tube frame, not a huge bike with lotsa alloy.
Air/oil cooled inline four? Honda did it with the CB1100. I don't know if that motor is Euro-4 (or later) compliant, but, I'll bet it likely is.
But, there just isn't much of a market for it. Most people buying inline fours want maximum performance, which means water cooling.
Those who want an air cooled motor for simplicity's sake, want a twin -- less cylinders, less spark plugs, less valves, etc.
Those who want an air cooled motor for the classic looks, are also likely to want a twin.
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Air/oil cooled inline four? Honda did it with the CB1100. I don't know if that motor is Euro-4 (or later) compliant, but, I'll bet it likely is.
Those who want an air cooled motor for the classic looks, are also likely to want a twin.
Front to back crank but with vertical cylinders
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When the Indian name was being had for years ago there was a guy w/inline 4 trying to get the Indian name. Seems like he was in CO and it had a BMW airhead trans.
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Agreed. Buyers in this market love the V-twin sound.
Air/oil cooled inline four? Honda did it with the CB1100. I don't know if that motor is Euro-4 (or later) compliant, but, I'll bet it likely is.
But, there just isn't much of a market for it. Most people buying inline fours want maximum performance, which means water cooling.
Those who want an air cooled motor for simplicity's sake, want a twin -- less cylinders, less spark plugs, less valves, etc.
Those who want an air cooled motor for the classic looks, are also likely to want a twin.
I agree with all you said in this post. I really enjoyed both my W650 and Bonneville twins, to the tune of approx 50,000 miles on each.
I bought my CB1100 (leftover 2014 Black) for a very reasonable price.
I've spent considerable time getting the suspension where it works for me, and I'm about there.
Re the engine ....... although I've owned several BMW K four cylinder bikes, and never had too many issues with them, it's taken me a good while to finally appreciate what a sweet engine Honda designed for the CB1100. Agreed .... it doesn't have the 'soul' of a twin, especially a twin with 360 degree crank. But for those riders who grew up on CB 750s, this bike has to be a wonderful experience, right from the first ride.
For a relatively inexpensive retro bike (especially a new leftover,) this thing runs like a train, whether you short shift it at 3000rpm, or spin it up to 5500rpm. It'll wind higher, but I've found little reason to do so.
Re JJ's original question ..... I don't look for Polaris to step up and do an in line 4 like the old Indians.
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Front to back crank but with vertical cylinders
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Be still, my beating heart.. :smiley:
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They would not sell enough to cover their costs. Remember the......Rune? I loved the styling.
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They would not sell enough to cover their costs. Remember the......Rune? I loved the styling.
YES!! The Honda Rune!! :laugh: :grin: :wink: Good memory recall!! :cool:
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I want a Nimbus with exposed tappets
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I want a Nimbus with exposed tappets
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They would not sell enough to cover their costs. Remember the......Rune? I loved the styling.
The bike that runed the valkrie. Your taste is obviously in your mouth :) and from somebody with such a stylish bassa. So sad.
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I want a Nimbus with exposed tappets
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Couple here: http://www.classic-motorcycles.nl/index.php/en/stocklist
Too expensive for me, I might be able to afford the Galletto. :wink:
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I think the modern version of the old Indian is the now old K-100 BMW.
I think 4 Cylinder Engines are boring.
I like the twin designs
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The old straight fours are undeniably cool and lust-worthy but a modern rendition would not have the stripped down essence that makes so many classic bikes appealing. I had a mentor when I was a kid who told me stories about riding an Indian 4 when he was young. He said he was too small to kick it over and had to ask his neighbor to kick start it for him to go for a ride. He said they had a pretty good rocking motion when you blipped the throttle at a stop.
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I think the modern version of the old Indian is the now old K-100 BMW.
I think 4 Cylinder Engines are boring.
I like the twin designs
aka..."The Flying Brick!!" :laugh: :grin: :wink:
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:shocked: :thumb: :cool: :wink:
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That is the question I asked when they announced the return of the name.