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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: GeneW on September 25, 2018, 06:57:58 PM
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First post so please be gentle. For some ungodly reason -probably due to posts I've read on this forum - I have the desire to own a Guzzi.
Some history: I do light touring (250 to 300 miles/day) with no passenger. Live in Wisconsin so have many nice roads with curves to travel. Not much need for big horsepower as the last motorcycle I bought (in 1978) was a 1974 Ducati 750GT which along with a 1968 Norton Atlas are my touring cycles. As you can see I am used to low/medium horsepower rides and like it that way. Enjoy doing my own maintenance so I would like to continue with that practice. Not sure if that is still possible with the newer cycles but I'm willing to learn.
Need to get something that has electric start (kick starting is less fun after you reach your 60th birthday). Directional signals will also be nice. I can live with carburetors but it looks like I may have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the fuel injection and computer world. Also will have to learn to shift using my left foot and brake with my right. So be it
The Moto Guzzi that appeals to me visually is the V7 II Special models. Several dealers have 2016 V7 II models left over available for around $7,700. The newer V7 III Special models are more money and appear to have upgrades over the V7 II series but I'm not sure the upgrades would mean much for me. Is there are reason the V7 II models are still available other than a dealer overstocked? If the consensus is that the additional money is well spent for the upgrades I wouldn't have a problem spending the extra $ for the V7 III and living with the visuals of the newer model.
So, would you go with the V7 II or V7 III if you were in my situation? Reliability is a big issue for me but I haven't seen much bad press for either model.
Appreciate any input and dealer recommendations in Wisconsin/Illinois. Live near Green Bay but know I will have to travel to find a dealer. Really like the forum. Lots of good information and likeable characters.
Gene
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Welcome to the forum, Gene! I think you'll fit right in.
Like you, I've been into the older bikes, but mine have shifted and braked on the correct sides - and they've had the magic button. They're not much newer than yours.
A couple of years ago I had to scratch the Guzzi itch and here I still am. I think you'll like them, but unlike you, I opted for an older Guzzi from the 70s and then promptly got an 87 as well. I'm hooked.
I can't answer your question, however, since I've got absolutely no experience with the small block Guzzis, much less the newer FI ones. I prefer the simplicity of carbs, though electronic ignition is nice.
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or you could get a Big Twin..
something like this one in Wi.
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/mcy/d/2002-moto-guzzi-lemans/6698723273.html
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Hi, i have a v7ii. Absolutely love it. 25000 miles nothing but a little maitenance(tires, valve adjustments, oil). Its been a very reliable bike. Not a ton of miles but the difference between this bike and my kawasaki i had and the harley i had are night and day. I highly recommend the v7ii. The v7iii is great but i like the v7ii had the tach. Very solid machine i ride every day rain or shine. Usually 50 miles one way. I think you'll be happy either one. I have to say i love any road with curves with the v7.
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Greetings Gene and welcome to the forum!
I bought my V7II last August and have been extremely happy. Just completed a camping trip to Dayton NV and she never missed a beat even with being loaded with gear.
The handling is great. Yes the suspension could be better but I do 250-350 mile days with no problem. I rode both the V7II and the III and really didn't feel that much different. Besides I like the look of the V7II over the III. Just a personal choice.
I thought I would miss the power difference from my V11 Stone but has not been the case. The V7II just "does it" for me.
Ride both, buy what feels good. Yes the II's aren't being made anymore so if you find one you like for a good price I wouldn't wait.
This forum (as you found out) is a GREAT resource for info. Some of it even useful!
Hint...don't bring up oils...you will be here for days!!!
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Ride safe and often,
Jeff
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I've had motorcycles from 9 hp to 135. Two of them have been RIDER mag Bike of the Year. My 2015 V7 is the most favorite bike I've ever had. I'll never sell it. Sounds like you live in perfect V7 territory. V711 or 111 you can't lose. Buy the bike and start riding. You have 2 months left, give or take. Tomorrow is NOT guaranteed. Go ride.
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I should add it's been 100% reliable, but I do use one of the world's great dealers who knows his stuff forward and backwards.
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I think the V7 is largely a solid reliable ride. I'm more of a 'big block' fan, but do have a V7ii Stornello that I love.
It really is about what you want from the bike. The tech advances and refinements of the V7iii are largely seen as improvements, from instruments, to controls and of course the modern hemi head vs the classic heron head. IMO it would be impossible to test ride a new bike and really get a sense of the motors, unless you blow the breakin recommendations, and I think thats uncool to do to the bikes future owner. But that said, the differences are marked, but not critical, It is an issue of refinement, a bit more linear power delivery and smoother. I think the V7iii also has modified suspension geometry and other chassis upgrades.
I like the look of the V7iii engine (HATE the ii valve covers and plastic cap) and some of the tech and electronics upgrades, but wanted the Scrambler/enduro of the V7ii and love the idea of a classic V heron head. Ultimately, the Stornello was what I wanted and I got one for a killer deal.
Things to consider with both. Do you want a Tach? Not all models have them. You may also want to look at the gas cap. I think Guzzi missed the mark on the iii gas cap, much prefer the ii. Little things matter. The V7iii has a lighter clutch pull, and nicer ratios in the gearbox, but for me that takes some of the character away... Still a joy to ride, but IMO the iii is a bit blander (conventional) by comparison, at least by my feel.
Both suspension need some dialing in and the V7ii can be a bit harsh on the big bumps and the iii is supposed to be a bit better, but thats also subjective. I think you'd be totally happy with a V7ii special.
Whats a 'kickstart?" lol. Good luck and welcome to the forum.
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The answer is simply YES
And that Foto literally can't read.
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Hey Gene, welcome to the group!
I was trying to make a similar decision a couple years ago: buy a marked-down V7ii or a brand-new V7iii. I liked the improved hp and most of the design changes in the iii, except the lack of a tachometer (I was looking at a Stone; the Special iii may still have a tach), but I liked the lower cost of the ii, and the horsepower/weight numbers were similar to my F650 (and at lower rpms) so I knew it wouldn't be completely anemic.
I am very happy with my V7ii. It is my daily commuter, and I do 400-500 mile weekends once or twice a month. I've added Hepco-Becker racks and bags, Agostini crash bars, Oxford heated grips, a Denali SoundBomb horn, and a medium Puig universal windscreen.
Either way, I think you'll be happy. Enjoy!
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For what it’s worth I think they are a strange machine but I totally love the machines. Having ridden a V7 they are a very nice bike and believe you would love it. As far as a dealer goes depending on where you live in Wisconsin I recommend Leo’s South in Lakeville, MN. They have treated me very well and been fair on pricing and labor, good people. Good luck!
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Welcome!
For the money, V7II, that is all
over and out
inditx
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I too have the V7II Stornello. I absolutely love the bike and has been the best and most fun bike I have ever owned. I am now a Guzzi guy for life. You will love the V7II! Good luck with your decision.
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Welcome!
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I had a '10 V7 and skipped the V7II and went with the V7III because of the geometry tweaks that make it a better curvy road bike and the 60 mpg I have been getting.
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I test drove both and ended up with a iii. I really like the extra power, a bit more refined (but still plenty of shake and chug), the idea of improved engine oiling, and bottom line I just found it more fun to ride than a ii.
If you don't want to learn about mapping fuel systems (laptop, software, cables, running a few programs to interact with your bike's ECU), then something to consider ... a iii is very well sorted, fueling wise, they run excellent stock ... a ii is not so great. With a ii, cold start running is pretty rough ... you can start it, let it warm up a couple of minutes, then take off, and that is a big part of the fueling issue (cold start) ... but they also benefit significantly from remapping. Again, with a iii, no need to remap.
I find all the remapping stuff fun. A Windows laptop is needed. The cables are around $50. Software is free (but they take donations). Maps are available from Beetle for $100. The software is easy to use. You don't have to edit fuel tables and guess what to make leaner/richer, just get the Beetle map (he has done all that hard work). Really the hardest part is sorting out the Windows drivers for the cables to connect to the ECU.
Anyway, my vote is a iii. :grin:
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The Moto Guzzi that appeals to me visually is the V7 II Special models. Several dealers have 2016 V7 II models left over available for around $7,700. The newer V7 III Special models are more money and appear to have upgrades over the V7 II series but I'm not sure the upgrades would mean much for me.
I'd agree the 2016 V7 Specials, particularly the red one for me, were the best looking V7s with the original V7 Classic being a close second.
I don't know where you are in Wisconsin, but Metro Motorcycles, which is located in Neenah and a Guzzi dealer, has a left over 2017 V7III Stone selling for $5,995 (https://www.metromotorcycles.com/moto-guzzi), plus a $450 destination and $75 document fees, which seems like a heck of deal. I spoke with them about trading in my Nevada on it. It was complicated, but I decided to pass. Had I just gotten my license and wanted a bike, I would have been all over this.
I don't know anything about dealers except Caswell in Mora, which might work if you're in NW Wisconsin. They were OK.
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I've had a few V7ii, now on a V7iii. I agree with all of the above. While the V7iii runs great out of the box (the ii:s not so good, they really need Beetle maps) I've just installed the new Beetle V7iii map for stock exhaust and it really makes a difference. I've probably had some 40 bikes and this V7iii may very well be my all time favourite.
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If you could possibly wait, how about the new V85...??
I would be reticent to enter the caper on a V7, should be fine most of the time but as a returned tourer you may have lost some skills regarding packing for a trip and take too much stuff..
Only to find your 750 won't pull the skin off a rice pudding into a strong wind up a long hill.
I have a 2 VPC Norge and they are an absolute known quantity. In the interim, I'd ride every damn one I could for a long way each, you won't know where it "bights" under 500 miles.
Did you mention your height and physical capability with a taller seat ?
In any case, ride lots of them as I say, and know what you're buying, there are so damn many fully farkled Guzzies on this forum with bugger all miles 'cos the owner has discovered something he did not find out prior to purchase.
'Were it me...?
I'd get a Beetled 2VPC Norge and take it away for a week.
Do the startus mod
Grease the swingarm and suspension pivots
Install a metal fuel filter
And bugger off..
Oh and BTW most importantly
Welcome to the Fun House and work out who knows what they're talking about... (Won't take long)
Less time if you're an Aussie.
Love, Huzo... :kiss:
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Be very very careful of Huzo. He sometimes knows what he is talking about[emoji3][emoji3][emoji3]
Anyway, I wouldn’t worry about the V7 ii or iii dilemma. In my experience the little b@stards breed like wildfire once you get them in the garage. You will most likely end up owning more than one [emoji106]
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Be very very careful of Huzo. He sometimes knows what he is talking about[emoji3][emoji3][emoji3]
Anyway, I wouldn�t worry about the V7 ii or iii dilemma. In my experience the little b@stards breed like wildfire once you get them in the garage. You will most likely end up owning more than one [emoji106]
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Yes Paul.
But it only happened twice and it meant nothing both times.
At least that's what I told my ex wife... :thewife: :embarrassed:
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PS you don't "NEED" to remap any of the V7's.
Yes the MKI and MKII models can be cold blooded on initial starts. You wait a minute or so and they're fine.
It's odd for an EFI bike, and arguably annoying when your wife waits 30 seconds to start her Ducati and then gives you a WTF look as if she's saying why aren't you ready to pull away. But then the rest of the day you pull away before she's finished putting on her gear and make smart ass comments through the Bluetooth communicators as she rolls her eyes.
[emoji56]
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Jeez Kev.
Good on you for having a wife that gets out with you, ( what I wouldn't give...)
My partner rides an SV 650S Suzuki about twice a year.. :sad:
I love it when your wife or your girlfriend goes with you...
(But hopefully not both at the same time.. :wink: :clock:)
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I own the predecessor to the V7 range, a 2003 Breva which I have owned from new.
Love the bike. Motor anvil reliable. Had/have gearbox problems but to my knowledge mine is the only one on this site who has had actual gearbox problems not caused by stupidity. In fact, I was talking yesterday to the owner of a bike shop has is touted as one of the best Guzzi mechanics in New Zealand, and he said that he has never yet to fix one of these later iteration smallblock boxes. Reliability is not an issue.
I do everything on this one bike, from putting around town to long trips. On one 390 mile day trip I did not have to stand on the pegs once. Very flickable and a barrel of laughs in the twisties. Face ache guaranteed. :thumb: Very easy to maintain.
Most comfortable bike I have ever owned.
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(But hopefully not both at the same time.. :wink: :clock:)
:thewife: :thewife: :thewife: :thewife: Jeez Peter, you do like living dangerously! :grin:
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:thewife: :thewife: :thewife: :thewife: Jeez Peter, you do like living dangerously! :grin:
For a while after that, I wouldn't have called it "living" mate !
I wonder if I was subconsciously hoping they might become "friends"....(they didn't..)
Damn..!
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So, there you have it. You've asked about V7 bikes, and had plenty of comments on those and several others you haven't asked about.
You'll be new to Guzzi, correct? No need to contemplate remaps, pulling the bike apart to grease it, or other such items. A V7 will be fine right out of the box. At most, you'll need to wait (gasp) an entire 1/2 minute while it warms up from cold. You'll be rewarded with a wonderful small, light motorcycle perfect for the long(ish) day riding you asked about. A big bonus is you'll be able to maintain the machine at home for the fast majority of items.
All the best.
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Most here mention only cold start improvement in relation to mapping. There is more to it than that in my experience. The cold start is only part of it. The main improvement is better rideability in terms of smoother engine with better throttle response, less vibration and more linear power curve. As mentioned above, you don't NEED to remap but I'd say it is well worth it. Including the V7iii.
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Look at these deals! I bought my 2014 V7 Special from them.
http://www.eurosports.net/default.asp?page=xInventoryDetail&id=5977377&p=1&s=Year&d=D&sq=m00080&fr=xfeaturedinventory
http://www.eurosports.net/default.asp?page=xInventoryDetail&id=5977368&p=1&s=Year&d=D&sq=m00112&fr=xfeaturedinventory
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So, there you have it. You've asked about V7 bikes, and had plenty of comments on those and several others you haven't asked about.
You'll be new to Guzzi, correct? No need to contemplate remaps, pulling the bike apart to grease it, or other such items. A V7 will be fine right out of the box. At most, you'll need to wait (gasp) an entire 1/2 minute while it warms up from cold. You'll be rewarded with a wonderful small, light motorcycle perfect for the long(ish) day riding you asked about. A big bonus is you'll be able to maintain the machine at home for the fast majority of items.
All the best.
It'll be the majority but not the fast majority..
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If you could possibly wait, how about the new V85...??
I would be reticent to enter the caper on a V7, should be fine most of the time but as a returned tourer you may have lost some skills regarding packing for a trip and take too much stuff..
Only to find your 750 won't pull the skin off a rice pudding into a strong wind up a long hill.
I have a 2 VPC Norge and they are an absolute known quantity. In the interim, I'd ride every damn one I could for a long way each, you won't know where it "bights" under 500 miles.
Did you mention your height and physical capability with a taller seat ?
In any case, ride lots of them as I say, and know what you're buying, there are so damn many fully farkled Guzzies on this forum with bugger all miles 'cos the owner has discovered something he did not find out prior to purchase.
'Were it me...?
I'd get a Beetled 2VPC Norge and take it away for a week.
Do the startus mod
Grease the swingarm and suspension pivots
Install a metal fuel filter
And bugger off..
Oh and BTW most importantly
Welcome to the Fun House and work out who knows what they're talking about... (Won't take long)
Less time if you're an Aussie.
Love, Huzo... :kiss:
I have owned and toured on 1400cc sport touring and 1700cc touring bikes and I disagree with Mr. Huzo.
The 750 will take you anywhere you care to go and will run over any legal speed limit in the US. And when you get to twisty mountain roads you will have a lot more fun on the 750.
When I started riding 750cc bikes were the touring bikes.
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Yup after a few miles I'm a v7 believer (10k). My $.02 cast wheels! No fear of flats,as long as I've got my mini compressor & plug kit! Tuning & suspension are personal preferences ,oh radial tires too.I got ma a 16 Stone leftover for $7200 out the door!
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It'll be the majority but not the fast majority..
PLENTY fast enough. We're not racing on the street.
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+1
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I have owned and toured on 1400cc sport touring and 1700cc touring bikes and I disagree with Mr. Huzo.
The 750 will take you anywhere you care to go and will run over any legal speed limit in the US. And when you get to twisty mountain roads you will have a lot more fun on the 750.
When I started riding 750cc bikes were the touring bikes.
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Yeh me too. (
1976)
My only point is and always was, is that when two or more adverse conditions arrive at the same time, you won't have a comfortable margin of safety and performance for today's world.
But anyway..
I'm not absolutely sure that I'm right, I just haven't been wrong on this one yet..
But given enough time, I'm sure I will be eventually.
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PLENTY fast enough. We're not racing on the street.
Point is Cam..
I think he meant VAST majority..
I was only quoting what I read.
Anyway..
Nice little conversation starter.
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Guzzi has made some small changes to the ergos on the various V7 iterations. A tall person will probably be happier with the iii. OP really needs to take each out for a longish ride to see what fits him. Personally, I'd go with the ii and invest in suspension upgrades with the money 'saved'.
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Yeh me too. (
1976)
My only point is and always was, is that when two or more adverse conditions arrive at the same time, you won't have a comfortable margin of safety and performance for today's world.
But anyway..
I'm not absolutely sure that I'm right, I just haven't been wrong on this one yet..
But given enough time, I'm sure I will be eventually.
People today have gotten lazy with the transmission. If they can't pass in top gear they aren't happy. Downshift and rev that baby out! I rode the pacific coast highway on a Kawasaki KLX250S, and people have completed the Iron Butt Rally 11,000 miles in 11 days on Kawasaki Ninja 250s.
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People today have gotten lazy with the transmission. If they can't pass in top gear they aren't happy. Downshift and rev that baby out! I rode the pacific coast highway on a Kawasaki KLX250S, and people have completed the Iron Butt Rally 11,000 miles in 11 days on Kawasaki Ninja 250s.
Yeah mate, but if your prime reason for living is to suffer, you may as well just re-marry your ex wife..!
We all know what CAN be done, but when you're tired and the edge has gone off your concentration for the day, the extra capability of the stronger bike, will compensate for your shortfall.
But maybe I just don't know..
PS. That GeneW bloke sure knows how to start a conversation..!
Are we being "gentle" as you requested..?
First time is the worst..
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Ive did the touring thing since the mid 70s on everything from a 500cc Honda silverwing, Honda CB750, honda CB 900, two goldwings, three Harley's and three moto Guzzis, hadn't been able to tour on the 1400 tourer yet due to the TPS SENSOR issue, but I'm working on that. Here's my point. After a few hours and 300 miles I've been ready to get my arse off every one of them....:)
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Ive did the touring thing since the mid 70s on everything from a 500cc Honda silverwing, Honda CB750, honda CB 900, two goldwings, three Harley's and three moto Guzzis, hadn't been able to tour on the 1400 tourer yet due to the TPS SENSOR issue, but I'm working on that. Here's my point. After a few hours and 300 miles I've been ready to get my arse off every one of them....:)
I'll ponder that, but my intended response might be beyond the scope of this forum.
Anyway, I sense massive thread drift about to occur.
If Gene wants a mid sized bike and it needs to be a Guzzi
And he doesn't want to wait for the V85
And he doesn't overload it with luggage
And he doesn't go up massive hills into strong headwinds
And he doesn't want "buffeting"
Then one of those lovely little V7 Stone jiggers may well suffice for a few weeks 'till he gets the bug and becomes serious...!
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I'll ponder that, but my intended response might be beyond the scope of this forum.
Anyway, I sense massive thread drift about to occur.
If Gene wants a mid sized bike and it needs to be a Guzzi
And he doesn't want to wait for the V85
And he doesn't overload it with luggage
And he doesn't go up massive hills into strong headwinds
And he doesn't want "buffeting"
Then one of those lovely little V7 Stone jiggers may well suffice for a few weeks 'till he gets the bug and becomes serious...!
So, what you are saying is buy a car to tour and ride a bike to local tavern or coffee shop. :weiner:
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Yeh me too. (
1976)
My only point is and always was, is that when two or more adverse conditions arrive at the same time, you won't have a comfortable margin of safety and performance for today's world.
But anyway..
I'm not absolutely sure that I'm right, I just haven't been wrong on this one yet..
But given enough time, I'm sure I will be eventually.
I've heard this argument before, mostly from people who are fooling themselves.
Most don't have the reaction time or skills to get out of a situation with a throttle that brakes (and/or better planning) wouldn't have worked better.
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It sounds like you are in the market for a new bike from a dealer, but if you would consider a used bike I wouldn't turn up my nose at a late model V7. I bought a 2015 V7 Special from Moto International a couple of years ago and it has really endeared itself to me! I have added Mistral slip ons and a tune from Beetle and it is pure bliss. The non ii/iii V7 can be had for a great price with just a bit of patience.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Kz8d313P/IMG_3184.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8FxyqPHc)
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Anyway, I wouldn�t worry about the V7 ii or iii dilemma. In my experience the little b@stards breed like wildfire once you get them in the garage. You will most likely end up owning more than one [emoji106]
True story!
I test drove both and ended up with a iii. I really like the extra power, a bit more refined (but still plenty of shake and chug), the idea of improved engine oiling, and bottom line I just found it more fun to ride than a ii.
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Anyway, my vote is a iii. :grin:
I have to agree. I haven't owned a II, but, had a V7 Classic, a 2013 V7 Racer (still have), and a 2014 V7 Special.
The V7 III is a very nice evolution of the V7 lineup. Everything is just a bit better, adding up to a very nice package.
When I first got mine, which I sold the 2014 V7 Special to get it, I almost regretted the decision, as I had spent about $4k to sell and buy. But, every time I ride the V7 III, I love it more, and a happy with the purchase.
The blue special is the best looking. The cast wheels and tubeless tires of the Stone are great, but, I like having a tach, and the Stone was just too much flat black for me.
The Carbon shine would be a great way to go if you like the chrome tank, or the Milano, it's got gloss paint, chrome pipes, and a tach, but, the cast wheels of the Stone. I'm not big on the grey color, but, for a couple hundred $$, that can be changed.
I definitely recommend riding the II and III before deciding. If you can find forum members with these bikes with a couple thousand miles on them to test ride, all the better, as these bikes really do get better once they are broken in.
And a final note, I have to definitely agree with the other posters above, that given your current bikes, and style of riding, any of the V7 family would be a great fit!
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Gene, judging from your initial post you seem like a perfect match for any of the V7's. I wouldn't get too hung up on the year/model. Ride a few and find one you like.
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Look at these deals! I bought my 2014 V7 Special from them.
http://www.eurosports.net/default.asp?page=xInventoryDetail&id=5977377&p=1&s=Year&d=D&sq=m00080&fr=xfeaturedinventory
http://www.eurosports.net/default.asp?page=xInventoryDetail&id=5977368&p=1&s=Year&d=D&sq=m00112&fr=xfeaturedinventory
Wow! Two great deals. I'm of course, partial to the blue Special, this is, by far, the best deal I've seen on a V7 III Special.
There are some dealers with the Stones for $5,995. If you like all the flat black, and don't mind missing a tach, the Stone is a great bike for short money.
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PLENTY fast enough. We're not racing on the street.
+1.
I love my 115 HP Ducati 749 on the track, but not on the street.
The V7 is BIG fun on the street.
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Look at these deals! I bought my 2014 V7 Special from them.
http://www.eurosports.net/default.asp?page=xInventoryDetail&id=5977377&p=1&s=Year&d=D&sq=m00080&fr=xfeaturedinventory
http://www.eurosports.net/default.asp?page=xInventoryDetail&id=5977368&p=1&s=Year&d=D&sq=m00112&fr=xfeaturedinventory
Those are OK prices, but they are demos. My local dealer sold new leftover ones for about that.
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Wow. In one day 47 replies to my request for information. Just amazing. Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts. All the opinions seem well reasoned and insightful.
I do have some reservations on the musings of Huzo. Hard to take advice of one who was "subconsciously hoping his wife and his girl friend might become "friends."" (See reply #25).
I think either V7 series will have plenty of power as I've never felt under powered on my existing cycles which are old 750's. I'm going do a test ride on the II and the III and see which feels right and then buy it and get out riding.
I noticed references to Moto Guzzi using plastic gas tanks in the past. Are all the V7 II and III gas tanks steel? I tried to research this but couldn't find a definite answer.
Again, thanks for the responses.
Gene
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My 2015 V7 Mk1 is steel
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Gene, all the II and III series V7’s have steel tanks.
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2016 V7II Steel.
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Wow. In one day 47 replies to my request for information. Just amazing. Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts. All the opinions seem well reasoned and insightful.
I do have some reservations on the musings of Huzo. Hard to take advice of one who was "subconsciously hoping his wife and his girl friend might become "friends."" (See reply #25).
You are going to fit in really well here :thumb:
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I too learned on Brit bikes that shift on the right (correct) side (BSA, Enfield & Ariel) and having learned to left shift on a Guzzi, I can say that it's not too bad except when a car jumps in front and you hit the brake and go down a gear. :shocked: Fortunately Guzzis are tough and easy to work on. And they have great brakes (comparatively).
I rented a V7iii for about 600 miles of riding in mountains and traffic and I find the throttle too light and quick, and the clutch too grabby to be easy feather in 1st gear - need more practice to take tight climbing switchbacks. Power was fine, but the seating position for me was too upright (I'm 5'11") so 70+ mph had a lot of wind pressure. Pretty sure the riding position of the V7 Racer is better, but only have a few miles on one.
The things that appeal to me about the V7ii and iii are the looks, size, weight, steel tank and single throttle body. My ideal would be the special paint, black frame, mag wheels with the racer bars and rear sets and a tach. And Ohlins suspension and twin front disks (because they look so '80s)
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So, what you are saying is buy a car to tour and ride a bike to local tavern or coffee shop. :weiner:
Well not exactly.
What I'm saying, is what I said. In no time it'll be up for grabs because it wouldn't pull a greasy stick out of a dead bears arse..
That's sorta' my point..
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I've heard this argument before, mostly from people who are fooling themselves.
Most don't have the reaction time or skills to get out of a situation with a throttle that brakes (and/or better planning) wouldn't have worked better.
Sounds like BS Kev, but I hope the guy gets what he likes.
Of course if I end up correct, you'll never hear the end...
Anyway, best he ignores me, I don't ride mine much..
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PLENTY fast enough. We're not racing on the street.
A tongue in cheek response to the 8th word on the second last line of post #26.
Come on guys, throw me a freaking bone here...!
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Huzo! you are having too much fun winding these guys up, why don't you behave and go for a wee ride or something.
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2012 and later had steel tanks. 2013 and later had single throttle body engines.
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I'll ponder that, but my intended response might be beyond the scope of this forum.
Anyway, I sense massive thread drift about to occur.
If Gene wants a mid sized bike and it needs to be a Guzzi
And he doesn't want to wait for the V85
And he doesn't overload it with luggage
And he doesn't go up massive hills into strong headwinds
And he doesn't want "buffeting"
Then one of those lovely little V7 Stone jiggers may well suffice for a few weeks 'till he gets the bug and becomes serious...!
I hear ya buddy, what my intended point was that from my experience the size of the bike was never much of an issue with long distance ridding, safety or much of anything except and individuals preference. So I pretty much agree with everyone's opinions and advice.
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I've toured most of Europe, east and west before the collapse of the CCCP on machines as diverse and 'Underpowered' as 500cc Triumph twins, Guzzi V50's and SP1000's which make a whopping 50HP and weigh a whole lot more than a modern V7.
It's not about power and weight. If you choose your route to fit your mount then you can tour on anything!
MalG whoposts here travels the length and breadth of Oz on his selection of shitty V7's! Problems encountered? Few! Would they be my choice? No, but not due to lack of performance but because I can't stand the fact the chassis is such an outdated and challenged piece of shit! For other people this isn't a problem. For me it is.
If you are after a 'Modern' 1970's motorbike you won't find a better one than a V7. If you want a modern motorbike? Look elsewhere.
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Gene,
Welcome. I seldom get into this discussion as I can't tell you WHAT you would like. I've put over 200K on a 750 Ambassador with a lot of miles pulling a trailer. My all time favorite chick has been to NH, SD and Oregon on her 750.
I got tired of getting the 254 counties in Texas so did the Wisconsin Rustic Road Tour. NICE. Was impressed with the Packer Stadium, like to froze on Washington Island in July.
Just because I tell you that armadillo on a half shell is a must doesn't mean you'll like it. Or put tarter sauce on armadillo and it will taste like fish.
Good luck in your choice.Tex
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I've toured most of Europe, east and west before the collapse of the CCCP on machines as diverse and 'Underpowered' as 500cc Triumph twins, Guzzi V50's and SP1000's which make a whopping 50HP and weigh a whole lot more than a modern V7.
It's not about power and weight. If you choose your route to fit your mount then you can tour on anything!
MalG whoposts here travels the length and breadth of Oz on his selection of shitty V7's! Problems encountered? Few! Would they be my choice? No, but not due to lack of performance but because I can't stand the fact the chassis is such an outdated and challenged piece of shit! For other people this isn't a problem. For me it is.
If you are after a 'Modern' 1970's motorbike you won't find a better one than a V7. If you want a modern motorbike? Look elsewhere.
Pete, I now have 900 miles on my V7III and in the handling department it compares favorably with the "modern" Yamaha FZ-07 crossplane motorcycle. Sure, it doesn't wheelie like the FZ-07 and has a narrower rear tire, but I have no complaints and the V7 is almost all metal whereas the "modern" FZ-07 is all plastic.
I am comparing bikes with similar displacements and similar cost points.
Sure I could spend double to get the latest technology and deal with the issues that come with pushing the edge of technology, but why? Enjoying the ride the why I ride.
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the changes across the i, ii, and iii are evolutionary, not revolutionary. Coming from old bikes any of them is apt to feel pretty good. In my case the revised frame and forward engine shift on the iii made it a bit more comfortable for me which was a big deal but depending on your height, it may not matter.
Some get very excited about cast wheels (which are tubeless) vs spoked (which are not) so you might want to factor that in if you plan to do much touring on it. In my stable is serves as the classic roadster, not the touring bike so I like the spokes. An yes, the tanks (all 5.5 gallons of them) are steel, unless you get a V7/50 or a racer, then we are talking chrome
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I'm on the west coast of WI not the east so the Twin Cities are closer, Leo's is the dealer in these parts and solid.
Net, net: shaft, air cooled twin, 5.5 gallon, classic bike styling, stone simple, under stressed; that's the math that turned me from a Bonnie to a V7 owner. That it's a bike that's been made forever & still built in the north of Italy and thus not trying to be anything but what it really is sort of sealed the deal.
'Great bike.
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I'll ponder that, but my intended response might be beyond the scope of this forum.
Anyway, I sense massive thread drift about to occur.
If Gene wants a mid sized bike and it needs to be a Guzzi
And he doesn't want to wait for the V85
And he doesn't overload it with luggage
And he doesn't go up massive hills into strong headwinds
And he doesn't want "buffeting"
Then one of those lovely little V7 Stone jiggers may well suffice for a few weeks 'till he gets the bug and becomes serious...!
Sounds like he really needs a Griso!
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Huzo! you are having too much fun winding these guys up, why don't you behave and go for a wee ride or something.
You're right.
I shouldn't do it, it's like shooting a caged lion on safari..
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Fixored
I must be getting old Kev.
I don't remember writing that, but if someone is going to mis quote me, you're just the bloke..
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If you choose your route to fit your mount then you can tour on anything!
As usual well put, but I'm buggered if I'm going to choose where I go based on the limitations of my bike.
Granted the Himalayas may be an issue on a Norge on a Melbourne/London jaunt, so I'll have a V85 please..
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Well, that'd be a good start.
He'd have something to cook his toast with in the morning..!
Since I don't see anything in your signature, what is it exactly that you ride Huzu, and how many miles do you have behind you?
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MalG whoposts here travels the length and breadth of Oz on his selection of shitty V7's! Problems encountered? Few! Would they be my choice? No, but not due to lack of performance but because I can't stand the fact the chassis is such an outdated and challenged piece of shit! For other people this isn't a problem. For me it is.
After that disparaging comment Mr Roper I insist you wash your mouth out doing a double penance at your local watering hole. :evil:
All joking aside Gene, I have found that the Breva does get a slight weave at about 90mph in the fast sweepers. Having said that, in the tighter corners it leaves my sons slightly modded 1200 Sporty and his mate's Triumph Speedmaster for absolute dead in the tighter stuff..
As far as Pete going touring on underpowered bikes, for years I rode up and down NZ putting on over 200,000 miles on a 1948 12hp 350 Matchless. It might have had a couple more by the time I upped the compression and put a bigger carb on, but with the slightly higher gearing it would cruise all day at 65mph, and with the 32 lit tank I fitted it would do about 650-700miles without stopping. :thumb:
Ya don't needed vast gobs of horsepower to tour, which is why I like my smallblock. Can easily putter around town and it still tours just fine. You have to remember that New Zealand roads have corners in them, which really suit the smallblocks.
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Pete, I now have 900 miles on my V7III and in the handling department it compares favorably with the "modern" Yamaha FZ-07 crossplane motorcycle. Sure, it doesn't wheelie like the FZ-07 and has a narrower rear tire, but I have no complaints and the V7 is almost all metal whereas the "modern" FZ-07 is all plastic.
I am comparing bikes with similar displacements and similar cost points.
Sure I could spend double to get the latest technology and deal with the issues that come with pushing the edge of technology, but why? Enjoying the ride the why I ride.
As I said, if you're happy with 1960's frame and suspension? That's fine! No skin off my nose. Thing is things have improved a LOT in the last forty/fifty years and the suspension on the smallblocks is excreble! I won't have a bar of it. At least the V85 has a modern fork!
I also cannot understand why people get hung up on plastic? It's a fantastic material. Light, durable and easily formed into shapes that would be outlandishly expensive if manufactured in sheet steel.
Pete
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Since I don't see anything in your signature, what is it exactly that you ride Huzu, and how many miles do you have behind you?
Currently a worn out old Norge.
Looks like this one.
155,000 k
Resolve to have 200,000 k by Mandello 2021
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And I've never really added up the distances on the others.
75,000 on the Triumph Sprint
20,000 ish on the MV
Goodness only knows on the others.
There's a guy on this forum who's done about that on his '08 Norge
I think I T Sec...Fantastic..!
I do get out a bit on the Norge but don't ride the Mk 2 Le Mans at all.
There's a lot of well informed opinion contrary to my stance.
Clearly a lot of guys do quite well on smaller bikes, so that is all that matters.
They just wouldn't suit what I do..
I fully accept that if you have operated a "smaller" bike long enough to have an informed opinion then my rationale means absolutely nothing.
But..
I think there is trouble ahead for anyone who makes a decision based on what someone else has managed to succeed with.
Anyway, so bloody what I guess..
I've had forty Road registered bikes since I started, so clearly I didn't think it out too well either.
Will never sell the Norge and would replace it with an identical one if I had to for some unforeseen reason.
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As I said, if you're happy with 1960's frame and suspension? That's fine! No skin off my nose. Thing is things have improved a LOT in the last forty/fifty years and the suspension on the smallblocks is excreble! I won't have a bar of it. At least the V85 has a modern fork!
I also cannot understand why people get hung up on plastic? It's a fantastic material. Light, durable and easily formed into shapes that would be outlandishly expensive if manufactured in sheet steel.
Pete
So what bike out there in the $9000 and below price point has a modern frame and suspension?
I am getting cartridges and adjustable rear shocks next month because suspension is easy to upgrade.
I haven't noticed any issues with the frame at all. I have ridden bikes that feel hinged in the middle and bikes that aren't neutral when leaned over and this V7 III doesn't exhibit any of those problems.
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So what bike out there in the $9000 and below price point has a modern frame and suspension?
Many.
To name a few:
Yamaha FZ09/MT09 and FZ07/MT07
Ducati Monster 797 (slightly more than $9k @ $9,295)
Suzuki SV650
Yes, these come with cheaper suspension components, but, they're modern mono-shock suspensions with five inches or more of travel, and some of them have inverted forks and dual disc brakes.
That said, while I enjoy the handling of my Monster 796 and R1200RS, the V7 III's stock suspension is adequate for street riding at reasonable speeds. Though, yes, I need to get out of the saddle for some sections of PA's awful roads.
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Many.
To name a few:
Yamaha FZ09/MT09 and FZ07/MT07
Ducati Monster 797 (slightly more than $9k @ $9,295)
Suzuki SV650
Yes, these come with cheaper suspension components, but, they're modern mono-shock suspensions with five inches or more of travel, and some of them have inverted forks and dual disc brakes.
That said, while I enjoy the handling of my Monster 796 and R1200RS, the V7 III's stock suspension is adequate for street riding at reasonable speeds. Though, yes, I need to get out of the saddle for some sections of PA's awful roads.
I went from an FZ07 to the V7 III. Don't feel that the FZ07 handled any better than the V7 III. The only reason I bought the FZ-07 was because it was at my weight limit of 400 lbs that I set for loading in my pickup truck to take along on work trips.
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Seems you guys have lost the OP :laugh:
Dusty
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So what bike out there in the $9000 and below price point has a modern frame and suspension?
… and shaft drive?
Rich A
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… and shaft drive?
Rich A
Very good point!
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Oh no, I’m still here. Just trying to process all the well reasoned and insightful input.
You are going to fit in really well here :thumb:
After looking through recent posts this statement has caused me to really look at my life and wonder "what have I become"? Is this forum membershp the type of people I would like to camp with at a rally? A guess the answer is yes as I made a donation to the forum.
If you are after a 'Modern' 1970's motorbike you won't find a better one than a V7. If you want a modern motorbike? Look elsewhere.
Peter pretty much hits the nail on the head. My riding is mostly country roads in a Wisconsin county where there are more cows -many more cows - than people. Biggest obstacle here is dodging tractors pulling manure spreaders so I don't need a lot of horsepower or handling to get past those honey wagons. Longest trip I've ever taken was on the Norton Atlas to California for a Norton rally. I plan on attending some of the closer Guzzi rallies but that is a once a summer trip for me. If I did touring like Huzo or Tex I'd be looking a something like a Norge. Nice way to go but I don't tour enough for it to be practical for me
Nice to hear that all the V7's I'm interested in are steel tanks. Thanks for the confirmation.
There are a couple new V7 II and III models in the Wisconsin area. One poster mentioned used V7’s which is a good suggestion as there seem to be quite a few reasonably priced options out there. Not sure I want to go used as I’ve never had a showroom new model and, as my wife says, “at the rate you buy motorcycles (every 40 years) this might be your last cycle purchase.” She’s always trying to cheer me up. I’m leaning toward the V7 II series as I like the looks better than the III series. There, you now know what a shallow person I really am, putting visuals before technological advances.
Again, thanks for all the thoughts on the subject. I think I will quite enjoy the Moto Guzzi experience.
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Well mate at least you've had a good think about it. What you say makes good sense in reality, but then again..
What's a motorbicycle got to do with good sense...?
Stay in touch...
Huzo.
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V7-II was the first of the six speeds and the box is certainly an improvement on the old five speeder, although the last ones of those had some improvements to the shift mechanism that made them tolerable.
Do be aware if buying a left over II that there was a run of them that were sent out from the factory without the crank thrust faces installed leading to early failure.
Pete
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This is a no-brainer. All vehicles that stick around for multiple model years have incremental improvement over the life of the model...
I don't discount that the III has some nice improvements over the II but realistically, from your current bikes, the V7II will be like a spaceship by comparison. If you were considering a Cafe Classic or the 2010 V& against a III, i might feel differently.. But one model year change, it's much cheaper, and you like the looks of the II better? Go for it!
If you're coming off carbed, choke bikes... letting it idle for a minute on cold starts before you drive away will not be any hassle.
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The V7 is the only Guzzi that I can, in good conscience, suggest to someone who doesn't feel like working on a bike. The V7III is the only "modern" bike in the line up in terms of not being required to submit to unintended Beta testing by Guzzi. As usual, I'll get jumped on for saying that but it's what I believe after having owned 5 Guzzi's with build dates from 1973 to 2015.
The V7III is a jewel of a bike. It's finished well, it has no pretensions of being what it isn't and it is honest. It is also(again...just my opinion) the most reliable bike Guzzi has ever made. The fuel filter will probably still swell and the oil pressure sensor will still crap the bed in 10k miles but besides the one year(I think) clutch issue they're bulletproof. Stones are out there new in the $6,000 range. I lust after a blue Special and they're significantly more. Get whatever you want. It might be the last motorcycle you ever buy.
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Seems you guys have lost the OP :laugh:
Dusty
frackin crazy, they guy comes in here saying he likes old small standards and has been doing tons of day touring on them.... He wants help choosing between two specific guzzi models that fit his needs/wants perfectly... He get three pages of people telling him its not the right bike for the type of riding he is already doing on the exact same type of bike! :violent1:
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frackin crazy, they guy comes in here saying he likes old small standards and has been doing tons of day touring on them.... He wants help choosing between two specific guzzi models that fit his needs/wants perfectly... He get three pages of people telling him its not the right bike for the type of riding he is already doing on the exact same type of bike! :violent1:
That's the nature of thread drift.
For the record, my previous post on this thread was answering a question from another post in this thread.
Back to the OP, as a few others have said, any of the V7's will be a great bike for you, given your current bikes, and expectations in a bike.
As for the differences between the II and III, I've not ridden the II, but, had the Classic, and the I, and now have a III. I think the III is worth it, but, it is an evolution of the II, and not a revolutionary change.
Ride both, and buy the one you like more, simple as that!
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frackin crazy, they guy comes in here saying he likes old small standards and has been doing tons of day touring on them.... He wants help choosing between two specific guzzi models that fit his needs/wants perfectly... He get three pages of people telling him its not the right bike for the type of riding he is already doing on the exact same type of bike! :violent1:
It isn't like I am new to this, and even I am confused after reading the thread :shocked:
Dusty
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It isn't like I am new to this, and even I am confused after reading the thread :shocked:
Dusty
WG at its best...sure entertaining nonetheless...
*I am also part of the "party* :tongue:
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Well, ask any of us who own and ride V7 bikes. I can't remember any post about the owner saying they didn't like the bike. I may be mistaken, but not one comes to mind. On the other hand, it seems all owners at the very least like and some love their V7.
My 2015 Stone is my favorite bike ever. Sure, I've had many others-all kinds-4 bikes in the stable as of right now-but nothing beats my V7.
I just returned from 2 days of MUCH too fast road riding in SE OH. My 7 kept up with every other bike in those ridiculous twisties for as long as I wanted it to. It also was a blast to ride at 7/10's and enjoy a bit of the landscape as opposed to having it all blur by! Wisconsin? Get a 1, 11, or 111, doesn't matter. You'll love it. It's a MOTORCYCLE. It's supposed to be fun. V7's are FUN.
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Gene sez:
Peter pretty much hits the nail on the head. My riding is mostly country roads in a Wisconsin county where there are more cows -many more cows - than people. Biggest obstacle here is dodging tractors pulling manure spreaders so I don't need a lot of horsepower or handling to get past those honey wagons.
I have many miles doing just that on antique small blocks. "Rustic roads?" Wisconsin has em. If you are looking for a new smaller bike, any V7 will do the job.
Welcome to WG, and we'll see you at the Wisconsin rally next year. :smiley: