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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: rocker59 on October 24, 2018, 10:12:26 AM
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Triumph just stepped up! Wow! Guzzistajohn, have you seen this?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaxBQ1yt93A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=Zn362apOR70
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/triumph-claims-new-scrambler-1200-to-be-truly-amazing-off-road
https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/2019-triumph-speed-twin-scrambler-1200-leak-dealer-meeting.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfxx1OQQrZc
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A 1200 scrambler.
I have to question why. Other than "Cuz North America thinks bigger is better, always", I mean. I don't know a single person that would wring that thing for what it can do, not offroadm anyways. Hell, all the dudes I know that ride offroad/dual sport bang along quite happily on 650s or less, and never really even need that much. Planning for the Dakar, perhaps?
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A 1200 scrambler.
why.
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Of course it's made for bigger is better America. THAT'S what the American motorcycle press is all about.
A tenth faster in the quarter-oh boy! 81 pounds of torque-MUCH better than last years 79.9. Yadda yadda yadda.
Of all folks Guzzi riders understand this is complete rubbish.
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This new Triumph looks to be a kick-ass machine, and will fit the niche well with the Ducati Desert Sled and the upcoming Guzzi V85 TT.
I like retro/vintage styling, and to finally get that with modern suspension and brakes is a dream come true.
So many choices out there right now. 2019 is going to be a golden year for motorcycles.
Especially for those who like retro styling and off pavement pretentions.
Gravel roading on a bike with 8-inches of suspension sure is nice...
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This new Triumph looks to be a kick-ass machine, and will fit the niche well with the Ducati Desert Sled and the upcoming Guzzi V85 TT.
I like retro/vintage styling, and to finally get that with modern suspension and brakes is a dream come true.
So many choices out there right now. 2019 is going to be a golden year for motorcycles.
Especially for those who like retro styling and off pavement pretentions.
Gravel roading on a bike with 8-inches of suspension sure is nice...
it's not the suspension, or the brakes or anything else I question... it's the "why a 1200 "scrambler" ?" I ride gravel every day and if the V7 will get me down road faster than is sensible, and beyond the limit of law... well then? I know the only answer here is "because it will sell", but I'm posing the question as more of a philosophical thing.
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because most people ride their scramblers almost entirely on pavement. you don't HAVE to use all 1200cc of power off road, but better to have it and not need it on road.
It dosn't look like you are gaining a ton of weight with that 1200 over the 900.
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because most people ride their scramblers almost entirely on pavement
Which just creates an even more obvious question.
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I have a Kawaski Vulcan S that has the 650 Ninja engine in it. I am 65 years old and this is the fastest bike ( 0-60 in 4.1 seconds) I have ever rode. Faster than the "Super Bikes" of my youth. I am on a Kawaski forum where many people who bought this bike want something much bigger. One guy who regularly posts did sell his and was claiming the reason for doing so was that over 90 miles per hour it was taking longer to go faster 100-110 than it did to get to 80....There are many crazy people riding and buying motorcycles.
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Wonder how much it weighs?
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At least it looks like you can actually ride it across a desert, which is more than you can say for a lot of "scramblers".
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Which just creates an even more obvious question.
because it looks cool.
Most sport bike riders never take their bikes to the track, most ADV riders don't cross the Continental divide on a regular basis, most touring bike owners aren't crossing 2 state lines on every trip.
Most buy a bike style for what they dream of doing, not what is actually the best bike for their needs.
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I like it. I’d sooner spend my $$ on a triumph than on the V85. I like having a
Dealer nearby if I’m buying something new. Hello Piaggio?? I don’t ride over the great divide regularly or race to Dakar, but I do like the versatility of a dual sport or ADV bike and my 06 tiger has been dependable as a framing hammer. Id take it anywhere (if I didn’t have to work all the time👍)
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I like having a Dealer nearby if I’m buying something new.
Is QC Moto your Triumph connection ?
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Well...
my Local Guzzi dealer is ALSO the Triumph dealer...
Guess I will try to test ride both when they both hit the show floor... :evil:
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Is QC Moto your Triumph connection ?
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Yes! QC does a good job
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Wonder how much it weighs?
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Just a tad over 450lb dry, so it should top off under 500lb, you'd think.
Sarah
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Just a tad over 450lb dry, so it should top off under 500lb, you'd think.
Sarah
that all?
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These were a handful back when with 45 HP and 360 pounds wet when used in the desert...Try riding one at speed in the dirt...
But as mentioned, most newer bikes of this type are ridden on the street..If you like it. buy it..
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because it looks cool.
Most sport bike riders never take their bikes to the track, most ADV riders don't cross the Continental divide on a regular basis, most touring bike owners aren't crossing 2 state lines on every trip.
Most buy a bike style for what they dream of doing, not what is actually the best bike for their needs.
Looking cool is filling the most common need.
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Half as many horses and a front fender would be great.
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If you think of a bike like this as one you would ride 100 miles on pavement to your favorite forest and spend a couple of days on single track crossing streams and sand then this isn't the bike for you.
On the other hand if you want ride it cross country maybe cruising at 80 mph and have the option to get off the pavement at places like Moki Dugway, Escalante, Moab or the thousands of other gravel roads then this is a better choice than a 300 lb bike with lights.
Pete
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Finally a 21 inch wheel in the front .
Kudos for triumph for doing this , smart marketing, racing the Baja will help promoting this kind of bikes . BMW did that before with the GS and we all know they sell a load of bikes....
Hey Piaggio/Aprilia ... you learning anything ?
Ciao !!
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Half as many horses and a front fender would be great.
If you look at the links mike posted there is a high and low fender model offered.
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Good Lord...typical negative, old man Wildguzzi responses.
The XE version has fully adjustable Ohlins and Showa USD suspension with almost 10" of travel. It has tubeless spoked wheels in sizes that make sense off road. It has ABS and traction control that can be completely turned off. It has a tank range of over 200 miles. It has 90hp and 80ft/lbs of torque and a dry weight of 456lbs. It's absolutely everything you could ask for in a bike that you use to travel long distances on rough gravel but don't want a fairing.
It is a perfect bike to jump on and set the cruise control for the 1400 mile ride to Caniapiscau and then ride the 400 mile Trans Taiga. It's also perfect for exploring gravel service roads out West or any place else.
I know it's shocking but not everyone wants to a ride a 40hp V7. Triumph is running the new Scrambler in the Baja 1000. Try that with your V7 and get back to us.
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Good Lord...typical negative, old man Wildguzzi responses.
The XE version has fully adjustable Ohlins and Showa USD suspension with almost 10" of travel. It has tubeless spoked wheels in sizes that make sense off road. It has ABS and traction control that can be completely turned off. It has a tank range of over 200 miles. It has 90hp and 80ft/lbs of torque and a dry weight of 456lbs. It's absolutely everything you could ask for in a bike that you use to travel long distances on rough gravel but don't want a fairing.
It is a perfect bike to jump on and set the cruise control for the 1400 mile ride to Caniapiscau and then ride the 400 mile Trans Taiga. It's also perfect for exploring gravel service roads out West or any place else.
I know it's shocking but not everyone wants to a ride a 40hp V7. Triumph is running the new Scrambler in the Baja 1000. Try that with your V7 and get back to us.
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The XC version:
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https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2018/10/24/2019-triumph-scrambler-1200-xc-and-1200-xe-first-look-13-fast-facts/
1. Both the 2019 Triumph Scrambler 1200 XC and XE arrive with a retuned 1200cc engine and its iconic 270-degree firing order that was borrowed from the latest generation Bonneville. The Scrambler 1200 is more powerful, and creates 89 at 7400 rpm. This is 12.5 percent more powerful than the Bonneville T120, and 38 percent more powerful than the Street Scrambler. In terms of torque, the Scrambler 1200 is tuned to deliver more torque in the lower and mid-range; it produces 81 ft/lbs at 3950 rpm – 37.5 percent more than the Street Scrambler. Service intervals are now 10,000 miles.
2. Both models arrive with fully-adjustable Ohlins rear suspension – including piggy-back reservoirs – for optimal off-road handling and extended wheel travel. The XC version has 7.9 inches (200mm) of travel, and the XE 9.8 inches (250mm) of travel.
3. The 2019 Scrambler 1200 models arrive with five riding modes – Road, Rain, Off-Road, Sport and Rider – that adjust the throttle response, ABS settings and traction control. The XE version also receives a sixth “Off-Road Pro” mode that turns off ABS and traction control, and uses the off-road throttle map.
4. The XE version features a more advanced Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) that provides cornering ABS and corner traction control. The IMU takes constant measurements of roll, pitch, yaw, lean angle and acceleration rates, responding with appropriate active safety features.
5. The Scrambler 1200 XC features switchable ABS and each of its three modes are selected manually via the Rider-configurable riding mode. It also features switchable traction control with the five rider modes.
6. The Scrambler 1200s both arrive with a torque assist clutch. This provides a lighter feel to the clutch.
7. The new 2019 Triumph Scrambler 1200s arrive with a full-color TFT instrument gauge that can be fully personalized, including a start-up screen message that mentions the owner’s name.
8. LED lighting is all around for the new Scrambler 1200, including a 5-inch headlight, taillight and turn signals. LED Daytime Running Lights are also standard on both XC and XE models.
9. The control switches on the new Scrambler 1200 are now easier to navigate at night due to LED backlighting.
10. Other highlights of both 2019 Triumph Scrambler 1200 models include:
Keyless Ignition
Cruise Control
USB Charger
Heated Grips (standard on XE; accessory on XC)
11. The 2019 Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE and XC also arrive with a world’s first integrated GoPro control system, which is operated by an Bluetooth accessory. The connection and control is displayed on the TFT instruments, enabling intuitive video and photo operation via the switchgear.
12. In regards to styling, the XE version is further updated with:
Hand guards with aluminum brace
Brembo MCS lever
Silver handlebar finish with black anodized risers and clamp
Gold-colored forks
13. Both Scramblers are available in two different colors; an MSRP has yet to be announced:
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...............and there it is.
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Dang, johnnyvt and rocker need to start a Triumph dealership! I'm sold! 👍 But I already like the triumph machines anyway.
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Dang, johnnyvt and rocker need to start a Triumph dealership! I'm sold! 👍 But I already like the triumph machines anyway.
This thread was for you, John. :laugh:
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This thread was for you, John. :laugh:
That's so sweet! :azn: :thumb:
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These were a handful back when with 45 HP and 360 pounds wet when used in the desert...Try riding one at speed in the dirt...
But as mentioned, most newer bikes of this type are ridden on the street..If you like it. buy it..
(http://www.bikebound.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Vintage-Desert-Sled.jpg)
A real old timey desert sled. Now that's as rude and crude as it gets... Looks like a TR6C.
Larry
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Triumph is running the new Scrambler in the Baja 1000. Try that with your V7 and get back to us.
That has zero relevance to what I'm saying. So what? What does Baja worthiness have to do with the average rider? Are they racing the bike in stock, off-the-showroom-floor setup? I never once said this bike isn't well built, or anything of the sort... I'm saying that it, like so many BMW GSs out there, will be nothing more than knobby tired street bike that rarely sees even 50% of it's potential, either on OR off the pavement, in 98% of it's owners... just like the current Triumph Scrambler.
So I question the purpose, that's it, and mention that I see it as indicative of the North American penchant for bigger-better-bigger-better chest pounding.
You're right, not everybody wants a V7, never said they did. I tend to see bikes and trucks and equipment in a "does this do what I need it to?" way, not in a "What if someday I want to race the Baja" kind of way. If that makes me a "typical old man" then so be it.
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But you forgot the best part. With every bike, you get a Steve McQueen T-shirt!
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That has zero relevance to what I'm saying. So what? What does Baja worthiness have to do with the average rider? Are they racing the bike in stock, off-the-showroom-floor setup? I never once said this bike isn't well built, or anything of the sort... I'm saying that it, like so many BMW GSs out there, will be nothing more than knobby tired street bike that rarely sees even 50% of it's potential, either on OR off the pavement, in 98% of it's owners... just like the current Triumph Scrambler.
So I question the purpose, that's it, and mention that I see it as indicative of the North American penchant for bigger-better-bigger-better chest pounding.
You're right, not everybody wants a V7, never said they did. I tend to see bikes and trucks and equipment in a "does this do what I need it to?" way, not in a "What if someday I want to race the Baja" kind of way. If that makes me a "typical old man" then so be it.
The Scrambler 1200 will be hot in the ADVtouring market. People who ride rough and sometimes unpaved roads will enjoy the bike. These pics are from a trip I took on my Guzzi Quota. The 8-inches of suspension travel, and the 21-in front wheel were nice to have.
I've owned a BMW F650GSD, a Ducati E900 Elefant, and a Guzzi Quota 1100 ES. All three were bought specifically for travelling to and on rough and sometimes unpaved roads. And, that's what I'd buy a Guzzi V85TT or Triumph Scrambler 1200 to do: Ride from The Ozarks to The Rockies, ride around in the back country, then ride back home.
This is a golden age for such bikes. Finally we have some competent machines for ADVtouring / ADVriding which don't have a roundel on the tank.
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But you forgot the best part. With every bike, you get a Steve McQueen T-shirt!
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Well, damn. You should have said so before! This changes everything.
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Big Arsed Scramblers ....... loved them then, love them now!
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MY 650cc SPITFIRE SCRAMBLER, FEB 1966
Not big by today's standards, but about as big as scramblers got in the 1960s. I was 22 years old when I bought this snarling Beezer Spitfire Scrambler. And weighed all of 120 pounds (me, not the bike.) So I suppose for Triumph to build a scrambler for 2019 with their 1200cc engine is nothing more than an extension of what they have always done. Big engine, big bike.
I treated the BSA unmercifully, riding power line right of ways, hitting the bottom of the slope anywhere between 35 and 50mph, and climbing one of these West Virginia paths until the Dunlop Trials Universal couldn't maintain grip, and we'd come to a stop where I'd have to lay the bike over on her side, slide the front wheel toward the downhill side, and jump on and ride back to my starting point. There was no gearing down or braking on these steep hills ..... just hang on and ride!
Equally nuts, I rode this bike from Charleston WV to Brownsville TX and home again, probably the best biking adventure I've had in my lifetime.
So yes, I get the scrambler thing.
Bob
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Come on bro! The v7 have been putting out 52hp for a couple years now. That's a long way from 40.
Not saying the two bikes are a good comparison, just trying to keep some facts straight.
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That has zero relevance to what I'm saying. So what? What does Baja worthiness have to do with the average rider? Are they racing the bike in stock, off-the-showroom-floor setup? I never once said this bike isn't well built, or anything of the sort... I'm saying that it, like so many BMW GSs out there, will be nothing more than knobby tired street bike that rarely sees even 50% of it's potential, either on OR off the pavement, in 98% of it's owners... just like the current Triumph Scrambler.
So I question the purpose, that's it, and mention that I see it as indicative of the North American penchant for bigger-better-bigger-better chest pounding.
You're right, not everybody wants a V7, never said they did. I tend to see bikes and trucks and equipment in a "does this do what I need it to?" way, not in a "What if someday I want to race the Baja" kind of way. If that makes me a "typical old man" then so be it.
I'm not a hipster but I really like traditional looking bikes with enhanced performance. I'm not an MX racer or going to run in the Baja 1000 but I can find the limits of most bikes under 100hp without killing myself. I don't care what other people think about the bike I ride, I only care what I think about the bike which is why I enjoy a Saturday afternoon puttering on a CT90 or TW200 just as much as a ZX11 or my 1400. I wouldn't own a BMW GS(or any BMW unless it was a R80ST) because they bore me and I wouldn't own a KTM because I hate their maintenance schedules and the way they look.
I agree that there are tens of thousands of Walter Mitty types out there riding KTM's and GSA's but there are also thousands who really do travel and ride the bikes to their potential. Ducati has sold over 50,000 800cc Scramblers so there are a ton of people out there who want a bike like this. I'm one of them.
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Before bikes became mostly porkers or purely for sport, to navigate a dirt road you simply turned off the pavement onto the dirt road with a street bike...They ranged from the many Brit 500-650 cc twins, to similar Japanese twins and even Sportsters...
Now you need three bikes to replace the one :laugh:
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I had a 2017 Triumph 900 Scrambler and loved it. Except for the limited power. It took some planning to pass on two lane roads at highway speeds. Sold it this year and bought a Tiger 800. Same basic weight, but enough horses to make the difference when needed.
Now I wished I had waited. The 1200 Scrambler really checks most of the boxes for me. My off road is gravel and fire roads. No single track.
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This really is a great looking machine and fills all the squares in suspension looks and power..
Its what seems to be THE thing everyone has been looking for no?
The GS has finally got a good rival in performance and practical traveler.
I like it.
How many $$$
But, it has a 270 degree crank! :wink: :evil:
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Good Lord...typical negative, old man Wildguzzi responses.
The XE version has fully adjustable Ohlins and Showa USD suspension with almost 10" of travel. It has tubeless spoked wheels in sizes that make sense off road. It has ABS and traction control that can be completely turned off. It has a tank range of over 200 miles. It has 90hp and 80ft/lbs of torque and a dry weight of 456lbs. It's absolutely everything you could ask for in a bike that you use to travel long distances on rough gravel but don't want a fairing.
It is a perfect bike to jump on and set the cruise control for the 1400 mile ride to Caniapiscau and then ride the 400 mile Trans Taiga. It's also perfect for exploring gravel service roads out West or any place else.
I know it's shocking but not everyone wants to a ride a 40hp V7. Triumph is running the new Scrambler in the Baja 1000. Try that with your V7 and get back to us.
LOL, DITTO
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Big Arsed Scramblers ....... loved them then, love them now!
(https://thumb.ibb.co/k8A98A/My-BSA-February-1966-rev1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k8A98A)
MY 650cc SPITFIRE SCRAMBLER, FEB 1966
Not big by today's standards, but about as big as scramblers got in the 1960s. I was 22 years old when I bought this snarling Beezer Spitfire Scrambler. And weighed all of 120 pounds (me, not the bike.) So I suppose for Triumph to build a scrambler for 2019 with their 1200cc engine is nothing more than an extension of what they have always done. Big engine, big bike.
I treated the BSA unmercifully, riding power line right of ways, hitting the bottom of the slope anywhere between 35 and 50mph, and climbing one of these West Virginia paths until the Dunlop Trials Universal couldn't maintain grip, and we'd come to a stop where I'd have to lay the bike over on her side, slide the front wheel toward the downhill side, and jump on and ride back to my starting point. There was no gearing down or braking on these steep hills ..... just hang on and ride!
Equally nuts, I rode this bike from Charleston WV to Brownsville TX and home again, probably the best biking adventure I've had in my lifetime.
So yes, I get the scrambler thing.
Bob
Good story....not much to bend/break on an old Brit bike if it fell over at low speed...Just a lot of kicking if it flooded...
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Ha!
Sadly yes, so not for me, but sure looks the business!
$$$?
Just curious how it stacks up to the beemer in price.
I will stick with the GS (BMW) if I ever decide to go adventuring again but an older one w/tellever front and single sided swinger.
No gadgets needed.
But as an enthusiast I applaud the triumph folks for coming to market with this machine.
:-)
The new 850 BMW GS also has a 270 degree crank and I love it. The 270 gives it a lumpy cadence and low-end torque both akin to a 90 degree twin.
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Time to replay this old link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAliBMah-0I The new Scramblers would be even more fun....
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Time to replay this old link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAliBMah-0I The new Scramblers would be even more fun....
Loved the video! Wish I could ride like that!
Bob
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Loved the video! Wish I could ride like that!
Bob
On please,,,,,that’s some easy stuff. Rode trails today that make that look like a trip to the candy store :laugh: how many takes do you think they got???
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On please,,,,,that’s some easy stuff. Rode trails today that make that look like a trip to the candy store :laugh: how many takes do you think they got???
Easy for you, maybe! :smiley:
Bob
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What happens when a 450 plus pound scrambler falls over on a narrow path or when crossing a stream or even on a logging road? How many of you could pick it up by yourself on a slippery/loose surface if the bike is laying flat down? perhaps I'm the only rider who might have a low speed spill? :laugh:
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What happens when a 450 plus pound scrambler falls over on a narrow path or when crossing a stream or even on a logging road? How many of you could pick it up by yourself on a slippery/loose surface if the bike is laying flat down? perhaps I'm the only rider who might have a low speed spill? :laugh:
I could. The real question is how many people are going to ride single track with it? That answer is damned few so picking it up in your scenario isn't as pertinent. It's a scrambler, not a single track bike. You don't pound in a nail with a screw driver.
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I could. The real question is how many people are going to ride single track with it? That answer is damned few so picking it up in your scenario isn't as pertinent. It's a scrambler, not a single track bike. You don't pound in a nail with a screw driver.
I also said logging road....to say you'll never drop the bike on non paved roads is not being truthful, in my opinion...I have seen very experienced off road riders drop a dual sport bike during a slow speed turn on a crushed stone surface...
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I don't know about the suitability of this new bike for one application or another, but it's nice to have choices and it's nice to see that there are new and different motorcycle models.
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it's not the suspension, or the brakes or anything else I question... it's the "why a 1200 "scrambler" ?" I ride gravel every day and if the V7 will get me down road faster than is sensible, and beyond the limit of law... well then? I know the only answer here is "because it will sell", but I'm posing the question as more of a philosophical thing.
The same bike with a 600cc powerplant would cost almost as much and would not sell. The components drive the cost, not the engine displacement. The engine displacement justifies the price.
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What happens when a 450 plus pound scrambler falls over on a narrow path or when crossing a stream or even on a logging road? How many of you could pick it up by yourself on a slippery/loose surface if the bike is laying flat down? perhaps I'm the only rider who might have a low speed spill? :laugh:
Not a big deal Rough. Those bikes carry their weight low. My KLR is well over 450 lbs loaded and its not a problem for this old guy. My 800 Tiger is a problem though. It carries its weight high so its a struggle for me to right.
Pete
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Not a big deal Rough. Those bikes carry their weight low. My KLR is well over 450 lbs loaded and its not a problem for this old guy. My 800 Tiger is a problem though. It carries its weight high so its a struggle for me to right.
Pete
Pete, I'm a crappy off road rider...I have an 81 Honda 250 that weighs about 270 pounds...When I have a low speed fall over, it's a ways a mess with the bike falling to the down hill and get wedged into bushes ,or fall almost upside down in a muddy ditch... :grin: I suppose you all are better at this than me...
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No way Rough. I suck too off road. I just go real slow. So far its worked. I just know I can still lift a few bikes.
Pete
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Pete, actually I never had to pick up a bike weighing over 385 lbs, and only several times, other than when the dumb move on the 900 Monster, about 430 pounds with fuel, in a parking lot of loose stone..The bike fell over and was stopped by the bar end bumper...Fueled by embarrassment I picked up the bike instantly and rode away like it was just routine...
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I also said logging road....to say you'll never drop the bike on non paved roads is not being truthful, in my opinion...I have seen very experienced off road riders drop a dual sport bike during a slow speed turn on a crushed stone surface...
I took my DL1000 on some trails it had absolutely no business being on. Of the 25k I put on it I'll bet almost 10k was on gravel. I dropped it exactly once and that was in a foot of snotty mud covering ledge on a Class 4 trail. If I can lift a really top heavy 525lb bike while standing in a foot of mud I don't think this bike will be an issue for me. I shouldn't have been on that trail in the first place but I really wanted to see where it came out.
I think it comes down to common sense. I'll ride a CT90 anywhere. I can lift the whole thing up if I have to. I can't lift an entire TW200 but with an ATV tire on the rear wheel you don't have to. They're unstoppable. I flopped my DRZ on it's side dozens of times but I'd never ride a "scrambler" in places I would the three bikes I just listed. If you ride within a motorcycle's limits(and your own) there usually isn't any lifting involved.
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an article from ADV rider...
https://advrider.com/breaking-triumph-officially-unwrap-the-two-new-bonneville-scramblers-1200-xc-and-xe/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=10_31_2018
(actually posting the article might help)
I am going to say oh my...that TFT dash is so pretty...I would think it might be even better than V85TT's...
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man...so torn which one to get now...
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(https://www.pipeburn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/25_02_2019_Triumph_Scrambler_XE_Review_Pipeburn_11.jpg)
https://www.pipeburn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/05_03_2019_Royal_Enfield_Twins_Exclusive_Review_18.jpg
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Good Lord...typical negative, old man Wildguzzi responses.
The XE version has fully adjustable Ohlins and Showa USD suspension with almost 10" of travel. It has tubeless spoked wheels in sizes that make sense off road. It has ABS and traction control that can be completely turned off. It has a tank range of over 200 miles. It has 90hp and 80ft/lbs of torque and a dry weight of 456lbs. It's absolutely everything you could ask for in a bike that you use to travel long distances on rough gravel but don't want a fairing.
It is a perfect bike to jump on and set the cruise control for the 1400 mile ride to Caniapiscau and then ride the 400 mile Trans Taiga. It's also perfect for exploring gravel service roads out West or any place else.
I know it's shocking but not everyone wants to a ride a 40hp V7. Triumph is running the new Scrambler in the Baja 1000. Try that with your V7 and get back to us.
Spot on. When I move out west I'll give these serious consideration. I'm not a hard core single track guy anymore but the zillions of dirt and gravel roads out there make the Triumph a option for sure.
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I hope they sell a ton of these. I always liked the looks of the triumph scramblers and hope that this bike hurts resale of the older version so I can afford to pick up one as a third bike. I Would almost never take it off road, just looks like a fun play bike.
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I like the new Triumph Scramblers a lot...However, this 750cc beauty at only 410 pounds "wet" would also do the trick! :wink:
Within the next year, I am going to buy a "dual-sport" bike for here in Vortex-Land...and a smaller, lighter bike is the key!
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Stopped by my local BMW dealer yesterday to order a few pieces for the GS. They had several 2019 R9Ts on the floor. Fit and finish :thumb: I haven't owned a new BMW since my 2004 Rockster. I believe I'd do one of the new R9Ts, possibly the Scrambler. Sell/trade the CB1100 and 1200 Sport, keep the old GS (I'm into it too much to sell it!)
Bob
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Dealer gave me a 9T Scrambler last year that was being sold as a demo and needed some miles put on it.
I thrashed it (within reason) all day and had a blast. On road only, though. Didn't want to take a guy's (almost) new bike off road.
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I like the new Triumph Scramblers a lot...However, this 750cc beauty at only 410 pounds "wet" would also do the trick! :wink:
Within the next year, I am going to buy a "dual-sport" bike for here in Vortex-Land...and a smaller, lighter bike is the key!
(https://i.ibb.co/BG6XFDG/Screen-Shot-2019-03-09-at-7-02-40-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/BG6XFDG)
I don't mean to hijack a Triumph thread, but I'd like to hear more about a 410lb wet weight V7. JJ, is that a Stornello in the picture? Details, please??!!
Sarah
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I don't mean to hijack a Triumph thread, but I'd like to hear more about a 410lb wet weight V7. JJ, is that a Stornello in the picture? Details, please??!!
Sarah
Hi Sarah! Yes, it is a V7 Stornello! See more here: :wink: :thumb: :cool:
https://www.cycleworld.com/moto-guzzi-v7-ii-stornello-motorcycle-review-first-ride
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And this..
https://youtu.be/3aASocNIT8k
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I like it. I've had five Triumphs over the last 12 years, three purchased new and two purchased used. The reasons Triumph has been so successful over the last 10 years is for two reasons. One is they produce a quality product, two is that they listen to the marketplace and produce products that customers want, and buys. This is another one that will sell, just about all their modern classics do.
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Thanks JJ and steven c,
419 dry weight, maybe?
https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-italian-motorcycles/classic-moto-guzzi-motorcycles/moto-guzzi-v7-ii-stornello-zm0z16ndzhur
I'll research a bit more, in the meantime back to Triumph talk.
Sarah
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Not a scambler, but my brother's gorgeous 2014 Thruxton is on the classifieds now, drop dead gorgeous bike. No time to ride right now. For those who don't want the water cooling and ride by wire etc, it's a great option.
Personally, I think the new Scramblers and the new Street Cup are gorgeous, if expensive.