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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Scud on December 20, 2018, 11:41:18 PM
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Greetings. I have a problem. I keep looking at new 2017 Stelvio NTXs that are sitting in dealers near me.
The prices are dropping - perhaps in anticipation of the V85.
I am seriously thinking about buying an NTX. A green one. Which I have already sat on... It would replace my Ducati ST3 as commuter and long-haul bike.
Any advice or counsel would be appreciated.
Or does anybody have a low-mile Stelvio NTX they'd be wiling to part with? Anybody want a nice ST3?
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Usual things with a CARC bike. The swingarm bearings and shock linkage bearings will need greasing, (Super easy on a Stelvio.) tune it properly. Go have fun. :thumb:
Pete
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Once they are gone, they are gone for good. Most likely like the 2V motor.
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The Stelvio is a great do it all machine.I replaced my sport tourer(Aprilia Futura) with a Stelvio a couple yrs. ago.The seating position is much better for my old wreaked shoulders and neck and it's just plain fun to ride. Go for it!
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I'm assuming the 2017 is the 8v (4 per cylinder) motor with rollers - and there is no risk of the flat tappet issues.
I'm also assuming the factory was constantly out of grease - and I don't mind addressing that.
And there is some issue with wiring the auxiliary lights (will get into details if I actually get the bike).
Also thinking about having the tank sealed before taking delivery. Isn't there some risk of the tank swelling due our high ethanol fuel in California?
Does anyone happen to know if the side cases can fit a full helmet?
But overall, the attraction is a new, all-around capable bike to replace my sport-tourer - like Bigtime did. And a bike that I could load a bunch of stuff on so I can do some business travel on it instead of short flights. I have rented a few BMW GSs, which I enjoyed. I think I would enjoy the Stelvio even more.
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I'm assuming the 2017 is the 8v (4 per cylinder) motor with rollers - and there is no risk of the flat tappet issues.
I'm also assuming the factory was constantly out of grease - and I don't mind addressing that.
And there is some issue with wiring the auxiliary lights (will get into details if I actually get the bike).
Also thinking about having the tank sealed before taking delivery. Isn't there some risk of the tank swelling due our high ethanol fuel in California?
Does anyone happen to know if the side cases can fit a full helmet?
But overall, the attraction is a new, all-around capable bike to replace my sport-tourer - like Bigtime did. And a bike that I could load a bunch of stuff on so I can do some business travel on it instead of short flights. I have rented a few BMW GSs, which I enjoyed. I think I would enjoy the Stelvio even more.
Since you are in Carlsbad I assume you've seen the one at GP for $11990. Yes 4v, no tappet issues. Helmets won't fit in cases and no need to seal tank. mines got 41k miles on So Ca gas and no issues.
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Second what Cage said. Stock side bags are 37L I thank but 45L are available( pricey though).
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I put about 40K miles on a ST2, basically the same riding position as the ST3. My Stelvio NTX was a much better machine for trips, more comfortable riding position, 8 gal tank, equal brakes, more suspension travel, and so much easier to maintain. I would have the tank lined. Mine was starting to swell after about 4 years with ethanol fuel. Also, do not tighten the screws that hold those plastic winglets to the tank. In fact, take the darn winglets off and put them in a box just to make sure nobody else gets the idea to tighten the bolts.
Peter Y.
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I'd do it... 30k miles on mine.
http://stelviontx.blogspot.com/
The link above is some things that I have done over the years. Pete's suggestion on the bearings, fuse those AUX lights, replace the AUX lights with LEDs as the factory ones will shake themselves to bits sooner or later, etc...
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https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=88274.0
Enjoy
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I have been active on this site for a number of years and posted probably more than a lot of you would like to see!
Many of my posts were related to my life with a 2012, first-year, Stelvio NTX. The posts often focus on "how-to," DIY fixes or work-arounds to a number of issues experienced with the Stelvio and other CARC bikes.
Several times, I have been contacted by new WG members to send them threads from the past since WG has no permanent library of such posts other than a rotating archive. Many of the archived posts can be searched by the search function on the WG head page.
I am looking about for a replacement for my Stelvio after 4+ years of ownership and I am not sure how much longer I will be active on this site.
After compiling a few DIY posts from my memory yesterday, I thought some riders may be helped by a summary of some of those here before everything gets dropped further down in the archives.
I do not hold myself out to be any sort of expert on these matters and many other Guzzi folks have posted equally helpful hints and made very good posts to my own threads. I am thankful for everyone's help. My only purpose is to return to others the great help I received from others during this odyssey with Moto Guzzi.
A collection of some of the issues and procedures regarding the Stelvio NTX that you may find helpful based on my experience-
Valve adjustment
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=56320.0
Swingarm service
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=66579.0
Auxiliary lamp shorts
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=58480.0
Charging monitor light
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=72899.0
LED lighting
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=75440.0
Plug wires and NGK caps
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=61267.0
Loose motor mounts
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=65635.0
Wire abrasion under tank
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=65638.0
Charcoal canister disconnect
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=61878.0
CARC vent
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=56322.0
AGM battery
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=67775.0
Exhaust gaskets
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=71932.0
Lug wrench
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=83423.0
Brake/clutch fluid
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=70932.0
Clutch master cylinder adjustment
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=75222.0
Scoops
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=63119.0
Iridium plugs
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=70882.0
Front wheel removal/install
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=59073.0
Clutch actuator bearings
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=76016.0
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Ride it...... If it speaks to you buy it, especially if you want a new/newer bike. May be ast chance to get a new one......... Styling puts me off, but the Stelvio is super comfortable, super capable, and a very nice ride. I have a Norge and Griso, Seriously considered the Stelvio before I bought the Norge, really liked it but decided on a more conventional ST so bought the Norge.
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Thanks gents - especially for those links to other, well-documented posts.
I have, indeed, seen the one at GP and am planning to visit again soon. That is also where I bought my Scura.
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I bought a Stelvio to use for long trips, having a few other Guzzis to ride around town. However, I found that the Stelvio quickly became my go-to bike for many local rides, as well. It's just that good, particularly once I updated the ECU with a Beetle map (John Brooks has a good one, too).
Highly recommended.
Cheers,
Shaun
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Scud.. Witchy, who occasionally posts on WG has a Stelvio with over 100,000 miles..and he beats the crap out of it off road. I think it would be a perfect match for you.
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I'd do it... 30k miles on mine.
http://stelviontx.blogspot.com/
The link above is some things that I have done over the years. Pete's suggestion on the bearings, fuse those AUX lights, replace the AUX lights with LEDs as the factory ones will shake themselves to bits sooner or later, etc...
Get info on your blog! Excellent clear pics and info, thanks!
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Thanks gents - especially for those links to other, well-documented posts.
I have, indeed, seen the one at GP and am planning to visit again soon. That is also where I bought my Scura.
I've seen some drop to $9995! Not sure how many fees they add back into that. If you are up for a road trip, check out the Guzzi dealer in Sonoma. (I have no connection with them, just was looking at the V7 Rough prices and saw that crazy low price on the Stelvio)
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This is how it starts...
Then you'll love the 1200 8V motor...
Then the Griso will catch your eye...
:evil:
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30K on my green 2014, fantastic bike. Go and get one, you won't regret it.
Enjoy the trip report I made this year.
https://advrider.com/f/threads/hippo-and-hobo-beverly-hills-to-amishcountry-pa-on-guzzis.1330210/
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My ST3 was my favorite bike ever in the mountains. So constant in its handling. Not the best engine, but the best chassis by far.
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The ST3 is such a nice machine. Of the bike's I've ridden, it's the absolute SPORT end of the Sport-Touring continuum - and a real joy in the mountains... until I point up it up a patch of rough pavement and get turned back by the "Pavement Ends 1000 Feet" signs. The luggage is by far the best factory bags for urban use - tucked into the tail and easy to split lanes.
I figure a top case (without the sides) would make the Stelvio a good commuter and lane-splitter. All three cases would allow me to leave all my gear securely in the bike's cases at the airport for business travel. I can only fit my boots and jacket in the ST3 cases - so I have to cable lock my helmet.
Thanks for sharing your experiences - both mechanical and ride reports.
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I've seen some drop to $9995! Not sure how many fees they add back into that. If you are up for a road trip, check out the Guzzi dealer in Sonoma. (I have no connection with them, just was looking at the V7 Rough prices and saw that crazy low price on the Stelvio)
Yes, that seems to be a great price for a brand new '17 Stelvio out there...I contacted their LasVegas shop and found the OTD price to be about $12,300 plus sales tax to be paid in your home state...that is a delivered to your door price, shipping using HaulBikes, which is a premier shipper, in my opinion. One could do a fly and ride and save $675 and they would hang on to the bike until spring too. All good to know...
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That dealer in Las Vegas is notorious for advertising a low price but adding charges that dramatically increase the real cost.
I have talked with them several times in the past and I am skeptical of them as a result.
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Advertised price means that it is an advertisement. :evil:
Out the door costs are what you negotiate with. If sellers won't do that, then you can complain, IMHO.
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That dealer in Las Vegas is notorious for advertising a low price but adding charges that dramatically increase the real cost.
I have talked with them several times in the past and I am skeptical of them as a result.
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I have two friends who bought bikes from them, one used one new and both had shopped all the local dealers here in so ca and a few in other states and got the best deal there. Don't have any personal experience with them but would certainly consider them when its time for another bike.
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I can only fit my boots and jacket in the ST3 cases - so I have to cable lock my helmet.
The Ventura Astro top case and mounts are still available for the ST3, from the distributor in Temecula or from dealers. It's the right size for what you describe. The Ventura mounts are compatible with the factory ST side case mounts, so you can use anywhere from three to no cases in any combination. Also, the top case mounting plate can be removed very quickly when desired and what remains (an additional grab rail) does not greatly affect the looks of the bike. I don't commute on mine, so I dismount the top case and mounting platform except when touring.
https://www.ventura-bike.com/product/ducati/ST-3
I've had no problems putting helmets in ST side cases BTW, but you have to orient them as shown in the diagram inside the case.
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The Stelvio is a great do it all machine.I replaced my sport tourer(Aprilia Futura) with a Stelvio a couple yrs. ago.The seating position is much better for my old wreaked shoulders and neck and it's just plain fun to ride. Go for it!
that's interesting because that's exactly what I intend to do myself, due to carpal tunnel syndrome. Love the fast, comfortable, and utterly reliable Aprilia but can't take the clip-ons anymore
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that's interesting because that's exactly what I intend to do myself, due to carpal tunnel syndrome. Love the fast, comfortable, and utterly reliable Aprilia but can't take the clip-ons anymore
I had to sell my Green 1000S and a Tenni #112 due to clip-on's. My wrist cannot take that type of seating position... Sad, but true, I loved both bikes.
However I've done many 700-800 mile day trips on Stelvio without any issues. Actually finished the Ironbutt with Stelvio, 1000miles in 19.5 hours.
Fantastic bike.
(https://i.ibb.co/mDsXPXh/IMG-8616.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VjyQkQM)
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I had to sell my Green 1000S and a Tenni #112 due to clip-on's. My wrist cannot take that type of seating position... Sad, but true, I loved both bikes.
However I've done many 700-800 mile day trips on Stelvio without any issues. Actually finished the Ironbutt with Stelvio, 1000miles in 19.5 hours.
Fantastic bike.
that's great to hear (the Stelvio part that is)
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(https://i.ibb.co/P9WdSrN/IMG-8734.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P9WdSrN)
Rode 1 block from GP Motorcycles to El Indio to inaugurate my new saddlebags with world famous chips and salsa (red and green for Italian flag) and cook-at-home enchiladas. No sooner did I park, then a guy comes across the street... says, "Gorgeous bike. I don't mean to pry, but how much does something like that cost?" I said, "I just bought it 5 minutes ago, right there" (pointing).
Anyways thanks again for all the responses. I had a nice ride home and found an excuse to go to the store after dinner. I think I'm gonna like this machine. What an amazing bargain on a new bike considering all the standard features on an NTX.
I rode my ST3 (which is now for sale at GP) to San Francisco last Sunday, and home Tuesday night (brrr). I think the Stelvio would have been even more comfortable and probably would have made far fewer gas stops.
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Congrats Scud!
Don't neglect your V11.
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Congratulations!
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You'll love it, Tim.. :thumb:
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a better picture of the bike for y'all:
(https://static.imgzeit.com/reduced/bad5c34ddd79d0ed/IMG_8735.jpg)
I already do not miss the ST3, even though I liked it very much.
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Beautiful bike. Starting to get an itch for one. Let us know how the first few thousand miles go.
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a better picture of the bike for y'all:
(https://static.imgzeit.com/reduced/bad5c34ddd79d0ed/IMG_8735.jpg)
I already do not miss the ST3, even though I liked it very much.
Lovely! You'll need to update your signature, now. :tongue:
Cheers,
Shaun
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Beautiful bike. Starting to get an itch for one. Let us know how the first few thousand miles go.
Hmmm, yeah.
Beautiful bike, I'm starting to get something..
But it's not an itch.. :thumb:
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a better picture of the bike for y'all:
(https://static.imgzeit.com/reduced/bad5c34ddd79d0ed/IMG_8735.jpg)
I already do not miss the ST3, even though I liked it very much.
Beautiful tree also
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Update and one serious question:
Update first - just been commuting and waiting out the rain before I get a proper ride in. But I am loving my commute now. Tonight I removed 7, yup, SEVEN orange and white warning stickers. Without these critical warnings, I will need to remember:
- do not allow key chain to fall between steering head and frame
- wear a helmet
- pull clutch in during engine start (even though it starts without doing so)
- use gasoline only up to E10
- do not puncture or incinerate the shock
- do not drink the battery acid
- do not install accessories that are not approved by Moto Guzzi
Wow - what a bunch of lame stickers. Bike looks better now.
Serious question: is the top shock mounting bolt supposed to have a nut on it? Picture attached.
(https://i.ibb.co/k1XXVKT/IMG-8768.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k1XXVKT)
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Relax Scud. No nut required :grin:!
Remember that in the early 1990's Aprilia owner's manuals used to have a warning 'Not to eat any part of the motorcycle'!
Word!
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Do not eat the brown acid.
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Very nice, for a girls bike. :cool:
I’m just jealous :wink:
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a better picture of the bike for y'all:
(https://static.imgzeit.com/reduced/bad5c34ddd79d0ed/IMG_8735.jpg)
I already do not miss the ST3, even though I liked it very much.
I love your bike, sat on one a couple of years ago and almost bought it. My only Guzzi was a 2013 V7 that I had as a extra bike and loved. Now if I can sell my 2018 Gold Wing Tour I just might buy one too.
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Do not drink the battery acid?
One wonders if that warning had to be put there due to it actually happening. :shocked:
No. Surely not! :huh:
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Haha... thanks guys. No nut required (expect the one operating the motorcycle).
Anybody know where I can get a set of factory heated grips for a reasonable price? Called Harpers today and they said Piaggio jacked up the price of the heated grips to $400.
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Haha... thanks guys. No nut required (expect the one operating the motorcycle).
Anybody know where I can get a set of factory heated grips for a reasonable price? Called Harpers today and they said Piaggio jacked up the price of the heated grips to $400.
Ive had the $40. cycle gear trackside heated grips on my 13 since new and they work perfect. I connected them to stock Guzzi handle bar controller and although very rarely use them here in So Ca when I do they are great. $400. is friggin crazy imho.
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Relax Scud. No nut required :grin:!
Remember that in the early 1990's Aprilia owner's manuals used to have a warning 'Not to eat any part of the motorcycle'!
Word!
Husqvarna dirt bike manuals had a statement that said you shouldn't even sit on it without being checked out by a doctor first.
I'm going to try to work a deal on a Stelvio over the next 2 weeks. My old injured knee can't take a Griso no matter how much I want it to.
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Dropped pegs? Bar risers? There are lots of crips out there who have made a Griso work, but, agreed, there are some for whom it won't.
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Dropped pegs? Bar risers? There are lots of crips out there who have made a Griso work, but, agreed, there are some for whom it won't.
And the Griso is a much lower bike to throw those old damaged knees over. Stelvio is a very big bike in comparison.