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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Griso8V on December 28, 2018, 06:55:27 PM
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Today my Griso 8V turned 15k miles. It is a 2010; not that many miles but just wish to report that these have been 15,000 flawless and trouble fee miles. I have done everything wrong to this bike according to many on the various forums, these wrongs include:
1. Following the manufacturers oil changing interval guidelines
2. Using recommended weight oil, any brand.
3. No oil analysis, ever.
4. Using it for short trips.
5. Using it for short trips in cold weather.
6. Using the motor in any rev range.
7. Maintainance performed by the dealer.
8. Many more abuses that I can't remember.
So, anyone who is hand wringing about the reliability of the 8 valve motor: Sleep easy!
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I bought my Griso new from Pete Roper in 2013. It had its 1500km service (done by Pete) and then its 10,000km (done by Motociclio in Sydney) and then I moved back to Geelong and was too poor to have the bike serviced regularly. The next service and oil change it got was at 60,000km. I was still poor and it didn't get a service until I was able to access my superannuation at 104,000km. I took it to Pete and he treated it to new rings and valves and a lot of other stuff, but he was surprised how good the motor was considering the way it had been "looked after". It has now done 145,000km and is still pulling like a train and still great fun to ride.
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Today my Griso 8V turned 15k miles. It is a 2010; not that many miles but just wish to report that these have been 15,000 flawless and trouble fee miles. I have done everything wrong to this bike according to many on the various forums, these wrongs include:
1. Following the manufacturers oil changing interval guidelines
2. Using recommended weight oil, any brand.
3. No oil analysis, ever.
4. Using it for short trips.
5. Using it for short trips in cold weather.
6. Using the motor in any rev range.
7. Maintainance performed by the dealer.
8. Many more abuses that I can't remember.
So, anyone who is hand wringing about the reliability of the 8 valve motor: Sleep easy!
Unfortunately despite the fact that it's not showing any outward signs it is failing. If you pull a cambox and examine the tappets it will be very unlikely to not be showing damage by 15,000 miles. All flat tappet 8V's will fail. To believe otherwise flies in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Sorry.
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2010? Rollerize or suffer the sad consequences. Mine was failing at 3,000 miles.
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Unfortunately despite the fact that it's not showing any outward signs it is failing. If you pull a cambox and examine the tappets it will be very unlikely to not be showing damage by 15,000 miles. All flat tappet 8V's will fail. To believe otherwise flies in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Sorry.
Yes, yes, a ticking time bomb! But then again, I like to live dangerously. I guess if I live long enough I will fail too...
In the mean time I am enjoying the ride!
T
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That's fine. It's just a terrible waste of a wonderful bike. When it does start rattling please don't just close the valve lash up and flick pass it to someone else.
Pete
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That's fine. It's just a terrible waste of a wonderful bike. When it does start rattling please don't just close the valve lash up and flick pass it to someone else.
Pete
Yeah, OK Pete, I don't think I would do that, I am not that kind of a guy.
If it has a problem, I will fix it. Until then, I will ride it. Not sure what the big deal is... thanks for the advise
T
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The only 'Big deal' as far as I'm concerned is the fact that nobody wants to hear that they have bought a turd. Therefore people generally will seek out what they want to hear and in the case of flat tappet 8V's what they want to hear is that the problem doesn't exist or at least is greatly overblown.
I had this happen a year or so ago, I think on the Ghetto? Some pommy bloke showed up with an 8V 1200 Sport and I suggested that he get the top end inspected because it was going to fail. Anyway he went to his dealer who told him the issue was very rare and he didn't need to bother and he then told me I was talking out of my arse and buggered off with lots of references to my ancestry etc. etc.
Once again the situation was that his bike wasn't showing any outward signs and therefore, basing his argument on his extensive experience of one bike, his, and without actually bothering to do the small amount of work necessary to confirm whether there was damage or not he chose to believe what he wanted to hear, the sort of equivalent of sticking one's fingers in one's ears and saying "LA-LA-LA" very loudly.
The thing is as soon as I started seeing failures in my shop I started inspecting every bike that came through the door. Ones I'd serviced from new, one's from other shops, ones bought to me because their shops assured them there was 'No Problem' but they were skeptical. I haven't seen one solitary engine with over 20,000km that didn't show wear. That is a 100% failure rate. Often they've had serious damage well before that 20,000km point!
The thing is until all the DLC has been abraded off the tappet there are few outward signs. Valve clearances change little if at all, there are no warning noises. The one thing that is usually noticeable is the the engine oil tends to get blacker a lot quicker and may smell appreciably more *Burnt* as the DLC degrades but all the time the particulate matter is being fed through the engine and may be causing further, terminal, damage. I've had about a 3-4% post rollerisation failure rate of big ends and main bearings and that seems to be directly related to the higher the mileage covered prior to rollerisation. Annoyingly it isn't consistent though! My Stelvio which ai rollerised at 108,000 km had had TWO sets of flats through it and it never went tits! My first Griso motor was rollerised at about 80,000 km and the bottom end went tits about 6.5k later?? Go figure!
My experience and research is based not just on one or two or even a handful of 8V's. It's based on quite literally hundreds! It seems like every 8V orphan on the east coast of Oz eventually wanders into my workshop and I've completed well over 100 rollerisations, I stopped counting at about a hundred. I think I'm probably closing in on 140-150 by now! Do I get some sort of perverse pleasure from telling people that their bikes are in the process of shitting themselves? Of course not! But I do enjoy trying to save as many of them as possible as I think the CARC series bikes are magnificent and worthy of saving!
When I was still an 'Official' service agent and was slapping in warranty claim after warranty claim on failed engines I was asked by the warranty bloke at the importer why I did more "By an order of magnitude" than any other shop in Oz. The answer is simple. Because I LOOK for the damage because I know it's happening. Nowadays I'm freelance again but I'm still doing rollerisations at the rate of a couple a month. Most of these bikes are at least seven years old now and tend not to have full service histories so Piaggio tells them to go whistle when they go Pop. Owners have two choices. Pay to have it done or part the bike out. Most opt to rollerise. It isn't that expensive and I bring bits in from Europe at a substantial saving over buying locally.
So that is the reason why I will always offer an alternative explanation when people, anyone, argues that their bike is fine and others don't have to worry. I know better based on hard learned experience. I defended the flat tappet motor for far too long because I too wasn't looking in the right place. As soon as I did it became clear that I was wrong. My defence of the design sits very uneasily with me and I don't want other people making the same mistake I did.
Pete
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I bought my Griso new from Pete Roper in 2013. It had its 1500km service (done by Pete) and then its 10,000km (done by Motociclio in Sydney) and then I moved back to Geelong and was too poor to have the bike serviced regularly. The next service and oil change it got was at 60,000km. I was still poor and it didn't get a service until I was able to access my superannuation at 104,000km. I took it to Pete and he treated it to new rings and valves and a lot of other stuff, but he was surprised how good the motor was considering the way it had been "looked after". It has now done 145,000km and is still pulling like a train and still great fun to ride.
Typically up front of you Mick.
Actually it pulls like two trains joined together, I do remember the sound as you strolled past the line of cars but it got quiet again as you disappeared.
I don't think my Norge has quite forgiven me for "attempting" to follow..(but she will eventually I hope..)
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Yes, yes, a ticking time bomb! But then again, I like to live dangerously. I guess if I live long enough I will fail too...
In the mean time I am enjoying the ride!
T
Hi Griso 8V.
If you intend to save yourself the trouble of taking your bike to the local crusher to destroy it and ride it to death instead, that is your perogative and yours alone, but by suggesting that you are "living dangerously" you are implying that there is some chance, however small, that you may dodge a bullet that is coming at you at extreme speed and will avoid the consequences that have befallen (or will befall), every other 8V owner that likes the taste of sand.
Will you let us know how your bike is at each 10,000 k interval ?
I remember the old "blow up nights" at Mt Panorama every Easter in the good old days. Watching a CB 350 Honda weld itself together at night with glowing headers @ peak revs with the oil drained out, was always a huge chortle..
Imagine the unbridalled mirth associated with the wanton destruction of a nice Griso donk when the easy solution was at hand..
Utterly priceless..!
BTW..
I reckon you might be taking the piss..
If so, you had me going for at least a minute... :clock:
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Yeah, OK Pete, I don't think I would do that, I am not that kind of a guy.
If it has a problem, I will fix it. Until then, I will ride it. Not sure what the big deal is... thanks for the advise
T
BTW..
That'd be "advice"..
A "vise" is what you'll feel like sticking your head in, when you lunch your lovely Griso..
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I hope the OP is having a wind up with us because to willfully wreck a motor is a anathema to most here I would suggest.
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I hope the OP is having a wind up with us because to willfully wreck a motor is a anathema to most here I would suggest.
One would dare hope so Molly.
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... that is your perogative and yours alone...
That should be 'prerogative,' not 'perogative,' Huzo.
Unless you're claiming one to hold others, but not yourself, to correct usage, as in your advice about 'advise,' above.
Moto
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Yes, yes, a ticking time bomb! But then again, I like to live dangerously. I guess if I live long enough I will fail too...
In the mean time I am enjoying the ride!
T
When you decide to look at those tappets you'll find something like this:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/12-Stelvio-NTX/i-LtFW4qh/0/162622fd/M/4flats-M.jpg)
My Stelvio had about your mileage and had been maintained by the book...my dealer told me that all was OK (I do not think he even looked at the tappets). At least the damage will be done slowly at first and you will probably hear the thrashing sounds before it locks up. Nevertheless, by then the motive lump will be junk as a result of all that swarf swimming through the oil system.
Peter Y.
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That should be 'prerogative,' not 'perogative,' Huzo.
Unless you're claiming one to hold others, but not yourself, to correct usage, as in your advice about 'advise,' above.
Moto
Damn right... :embarrassed:
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That should be 'prerogative,' not 'perogative,' Huzo.
Unless you're claiming one to hold others,
Moto
I'm not entirely sure about that bit either, but you're clearly correct about my spelling error.
Did you mean..
"Unless you're one to claim the right to hold others"...etc
Also maybe we should discuss the use of single and/or double quotation marks, I'm a bit hazy on that as well.
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I feel it is incumbent upon us, as a group, to perform an intervention here. There is no good reason for another eight valve engine to meet its untimely demise. We need to go to the OP‘s house and perform this task, with cameras running, for the all the world to see. Let the tools fly...!
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Did you mean..
"Unless you're one to claim the right to hold others"...etc
Sure. That's what prerogative means, especially a right not held by everyone. Look it up. This was intended as a play on the word, like your reference to the meaning of "vise."
Also maybe we should discuss the use of single and/or double quotation marks, I'm a bit hazy on that as well.
The single quotes before double is British usage, but I was doing it to try to avoid having my quotes displayed as little black triangles. A better bet is to turn off smart quotes for my system.
All in fun, mate,
Moto
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(https://i.ibb.co/gPg77Sd/Dean-L-ex-cam.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gPg77Sd)
Pay a little now or junk it later, These were from a 10K mi 8V, I changed them every 10K mi then rollers the 3rd time.
Keep your ears open, it will make a rhythmic tapping noise.
Trade it in w/you hear it for a Black or Red Devil, cause it's not covered under warranty anymore. Then your dealer can fix it on their dime if they are still around.
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Sure. That's what prerogative means, especially a right not held by everyone. Look it up. This was intended as a play on the word, like your reference to the meaning of "vise."
The single quotes before double is British usage, but I was doing it to try to avoid having my quotes displayed as little black triangles. A better bet is to turn off smart quotes for my system.
All in fun, mate,
Moto
Yes.
Thanks for that, I knew some, but not all of it..
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he chose to believe what he wanted to hear, the sort of equivalent of sticking one's fingers in one's ears and saying "LA-LA-LA" very loudly.
Pete
Pete, are saying the above does NOT make problems disappear? How about, "if it only made that grunching noise once, it didn't really happen? Uh, oh...........I might be in trouble here..........LA-LA-LA
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Pete, are saying the above does NOT make problems disappear? How about, "if it only made that grunching noise once, it didn't really happen? Uh, oh...........I might be in trouble here..........LA-LA-LA
:clock: :popcorn:
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Pay a little now or junk it later, These were from a 10K mi 8V, I changed them every 10K mi then rollers the 3rd time.
Keep your ears open, it will make a rhythmic tapping noise.
Trade it in w/you hear it for a Black or Red Devil, cause it's not covered under warranty anymore. Then your dealer can fix it on their dime if they are still around.
Is this so? I was talking to a mate who is still a dealer here a few weeks ago and he said that while it was well nigh impossible to get any information or help about anything from the new importer he hadn't been specifically told that the factory was abandoning all support for flat tappet models. It wouldn't surprise me as unfortunately nothing about Piaggio management surprises me any more but you'd think that on something so fundamental they would put something up on the Servicemotoguzzi site at least?
Certainly there are still lots of bikes getting rollerised. The supplier I use in Europe lists the available numbers of parts on their website and they're churning through conversion kits at a fair old rate so there must be a lot of folks out there doing it on their own dime! I can't imagine if one of the major suppliers is doing loads of kits the other ones won't be.
Pete
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That is a rumor that I got talking to a guy that was at a dealer. Unconfirmed right now, my call has been in, haven't heard back yet.
Where are all the Tech's from dealers at? No one on here in USA?
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Isn't there a 10 year limit on factory supported spare parts?
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Not sure, but I believe there may be some such rule.
Pete
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Yeah, OK Pete, I don't think I would do that, I am not that kind of a guy.
If it has a problem, I will fix it. Until then, I will ride it. Not sure what the big deal is... thanks for the advise
T
Your bike and your wallet are *definitely* circling the drain. Once you discover the engine damage by noise, it is not far off from hearing the *click* from stepping on a landmine.
You visited several forums and posted here with some sort of agenda, and have now received 100% pure gold advice from one of this planet's most gifted Moto Guzzi mechanics, who, apart from that little noodle, also shares his knowledge freely despite likely not having any time.
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:huh: I get where Griso 8V is coming from, there are all kinds of wacko internet forum issues. Right now on the Tundra Forum, people are yacking about 'cam tower leaking'...........
When I first entered the MG world, I had the same attitude towards flat tappets.... i.e. "good maintenance, care, riding, and oil changes will prevent this possible issue" Having had the benifit of hanging out with and talking with Street & Steak (Ghetto dwellers) and Jason at MI as well as several conversations with Dave, and reading in the forums, I realized it was a 'when' not 'if' proposition, and shifted my 8V search to a factory rollerized bike, as plan to keep the bike until my own chassis and lifters take a powder.....
Griso 8V, there's no telling where your motor is in its self destruction, and you may like to live dangerously, but be prepared, you may have already spooged your motor, and need not only the roller kit, but a tear down and cleaning of the sump and journals. You will have to do it, and I am with Pete, I hope you dont change the oil, tighten down the adjusters to hide the sound and sell to an unsuspecting buyer smitten with the Griso. Not sure how many unrollerized early 8V's are out there but 3 years ago, there were tons of them.
There's an old verse in the Bible that applies here I think..... If I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, or from his wicked way, he shall die for his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul.
I do have to say, my 8V, and those I've heard are so loud, I cant imagine what a sick flat tappet motor sounds like........
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S'pose it might be time to re-post the vid of me removing the left hand cambox on a Griso just to show how easy it is? It's fifteen minutes work FFS? How simple does it have to be? At least they you know......
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I would be quite interested to see a video of "removing the left hand cambox on a Griso" by Pete. :thumb:
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Oh it's up here somewhere in one of the many threads on 8V woes. I'm sure someone will have a link to it if you can't find it with a search.
Pete
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This reminds me of the guy that jumped off the roof of a hundred story building:
He's fallen 90 stories and has had no problems........ :shocked:
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This reminds me of the guy that jumped off the roof of a hundred story building:
He's fallen 90 stories and has had no problems........ :shocked:
I thought I smelled something piscatorial early on..
I think we're victims of a fishing expedition, or we're all in for a good laugh, or some poor bastard is gunna' get a nice Griso sometime in the future with a brand new service done and the valve lash freshly adjusted...
I just hope the potential new owner is a WG member (or guest...)
Our OP says that he wouldn't pass on a dying bike to an unsuspecting buyer.
The question is..
What will happen if the Griso comes up for sale.
Will our fortune teller take the covers off and if the tappets are rooted, say to the wide eyed would be victim..
"Sorry mate, I really can't in all conscience sell it to you, it's shagged..."
Or keep it and ride it 'till it dies...
There's no in between
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Here 'tis:
8V Cam Box Removal
https://youtu.be/VYhG5leoUQk
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Thanks Mark.
Of course it could all be a set up! I could of already taken that top end apart and installed the worn out bits and reassembled it so it could be videoed being taken apart again. It's all part of my incredibly cunning plan to fund a retirement chock full of Bolivian marching powder, hookers and crates of Bolly by performing countless unneeded rollerisations! :evil:
Pete
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Here 'tis:
8V Cam Box Removal
https://youtu.be/VYhG5leoUQk
Man, it looks so easy. But the guy said he had plenty of practice.
It would great if we could get him on the forum. :grin:
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Thanks Mark.
Of course it could all be a set up! I could of already taken that top end apart and installed the worn out bits and reassembled it so it could be videoed being taken apart again. It's all part of my incredibly cunning plan to fund a retirement chock full of Bolivian marching powder, hookers and crates of Bolly by performing countless unneeded rollerisations! :evil:
Pete
You do have a history of cunning stunts... :wink:
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With regular clearance checks I probably would have made it another 7k to where you are now. Some have made it much longer, but it doesn't change the fact that DLC, harder than any other part of the motor, is swimming inside of there. And plenty of others have discovered that once all the DLC is off the bottom of the tappets bad things start to happen.
Here's mine at 8k.
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee208/worwig/publicshare/20160206_140317.jpg)
Otherwise, I would agree with you that the 8V motor, with the proper rollers, needs little attention.
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As I see it there are only three possibilities with the OP.
In order of likelihood.
1. He’s trolling, and seems to be filling the cooler!
2. He’s a contrarian.
3. He really thinks he may have the one pre-roller 8v that will not fall.
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OR, since he takes it to the dealer for everything, they told him BS cause they haven't a clue and don't want to do warranty.
Hey, what's that big bird from Africa, where does he stick his head? Does he make a La La La sound w/his head in there?
Sorry, Chad made me do it.
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Geographically incorrect Steve. Wrong continent. Ostriches are African natives, not Australian. :grin:
We have them now but they were another of those fad animals that were bought in that were going to make people rich by being farmed for meat and leather. It was a sort of latter day version of the South Sea Bubble!
We have our own weird flightless birds, the Emu, Which is a sort of scruffy proto-ostrich famed for stealing peoples sandwiches at picnic grounds and in the Northern parts of the continent we have the Cassowary, a sort of prehistoric death bird that will kick your heart out of the back of your rib cage if you look at it the wrong way. It also has a huge purple thing on top of its head that it uses as a battering ram when running at you to kick your heart out the back of your rib cage. Best avoided!
Pete
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Also, do not approach an adult Emu tending it's young whilst astride a motorcycle. Said adult Emu will run directly at motorcycle, in some sort of defensive attack mode, causing rider of motorcycle to release a little bit of wee.
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Unfortunately the OP appears to be on a vacation to Egypt floating down the Denial. I had my Norge done at a bit over 12K miles and the left side was just starting to show wear. For whatever reason I did not get any financial help from Moto Guzzi when a claim was made and had to pay full boat but I have piece of mind. Otherwise the 8V motor seems to be a very good one.
GliderJohn
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Another useless fact about Emus is that the males do all of the rearing of the chicks after hatching. From memory the hen hangs around until the eggs hatch and then buggers off to play Bingo or some such leaving muggins to do all the child rearing.
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Yes , you Aussies have some bad ass wildlife but. Here in Maine we have grey squirrels that will neuter tourist in years when the oaks don't produce enough nuts.
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Yes , you Aussies have some bad ass wildlife but. Here in Maine we have grey squirrels that will neuter tourist in years when the oaks don't produce enough nuts.
No good stealing mine.
They were disconnected from the mains supply years ago. True to say though, there may not be any additives in the water, but there's plenty in the tap..!
Things are well in hand.. :smiley: :embarrassed:
(Holding on for Dusty's...PM) :clock: :violent1:
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Emus
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7869/46495394642_d4a394c74d_o.jpg)
Prehistoric death bird.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4912/31606996807_2691a5d1d0_o.jpg)
Prehistoric death bird preparing to destroy Land Cruiser.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4846/46495394632_ee997112ff_o.jpg)
The reality is a bit different.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7868/32674155408_339c2ef1ee_o.png)
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Maine Squirrel
https://weheartit.com/entry/96588225
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Angry emu about to enjoy your entrails:
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/d45c6b10.jpg)
Or...what you imagine you see..
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/95de6210.jpg)
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:laugh: :laugh: You guy's rule :thumb:
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Angry emu about to enjoy your entrails:
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/d45c6b10.jpg)
Or...what you imagine you see..
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/95de6210.jpg)
reminds of snorkeling in Grand Cayman when a brown ugly Moray Eel did that to me. I turned and tried to run (not swim) away. Luckily made it alive. Got back in the tour boat and everyone was laughing at me. They told me a couple of 12 year old kids were poking at the eel just before I got there.
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That's what the OP will look like w/he gets the bill from dealer in CA cause he waited too long to have it done. I'm done w/this thread, there's no point in it.
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Hence the deliberate thread drift Steve! :evil:
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His mission was accomplished around post #10..
Unless there's a vitriolic response coming my way..
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Yes. And the sad thing is this thread will go on and on.
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You forgot the Budgie.
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Yes. And the sad thing is this thread will go on and on.
It is nearing the end Chad .
Dusty
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Just a note about the mileage at point of failure - GuzziSteve can correct me if I'm wrong because I'm working from memory here but he did the work on my 2011 flattie Stelvio. He's done ALL the work on that bike since he did the PDI on it at the dealer. He found out about the issue with the tappets and told me right around the 12k mile service.
My viewpoint was "if it needs fixing- fix it!"
He checked for wear at 12k miles and found none. I remember him saying the factory didn't want to pay for a kit to rollerise unless wear was found.
Steve checked for wear again at the 18k service and again found none but said he was surprised and wanted to keep a closer eye on it.
He checked again at 20,800 miles and found the beginning of wear - just enough to get the factory to give the go ahead for the parts.
So, at just under 21k he rollerised my Stelvio and it has gone just about 12k trouble-free miles since.
I'm certainly not contradicting Pete or GuzziSteve - you guys work on them and I just ride them - but is it possible the OP's bike just hasn't shown wear yet?
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but is it possible the OP's bike just hasn't shown wear yet?
At 15,000 miles I would say it's possible but unlikely. Especially when he mentions many short trips and damp conditions. Why he would think of putting off
rollerizing his bike is beyond any measure of common sense .
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Yes, it's possible. These had over 30K mi on them
(https://i.ibb.co/0DQ4HQV/Cam-Tappets-RH1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0DQ4HQV)
chrysler crossfire insurance (https://carinsuranceguru.org/what-it-a-sports-car-in-the-understanding-of-an-insurance-company)
(https://i.ibb.co/BrTBh9n/Davids-LH-Cam-Tappets.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BrTBh9n)
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Looks like you caught those just in time . Obviously DLC missing, but not yet chewing into the base metal. Easy to see the heat rash on the cam noses.
Has there ever been a definitive answer as to the cause of the failed design? The followers all seem to show rotation , and they seem to get enough oil.
I know someone was talking about excessive valve spring pressures which might explain why all three materials tried in the followers failed.
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I changed the 1st 8V's here and they had square spots. 1st Factory Bulletin was done at our shop in ATL.
Reason for failure was the coating process was inconsistent for most, spring pressure maybe but most kits don't get springs for rollers.
I really don't care why, my job is to fix it not ask why. Guzzi's engineering screwed up, that's why!!
Pete was into this early on w/pics from under the microscope, showed the DLC coating cracked & separating. I'm not into the why part. Just fixin it.
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I'm pretty sure I know the reason, I've explained it before. Whether I'm right or wrong is of no consequence but I can say with absolute certainty that using the 'Factory' recommended oil will make zero difference and it's not any of the usual 'Catch-All' answers that are usually offered.
Pete
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Can we get back to the Cassowary stuff?
To me, they look like prehistoric turkeys of death. I would not taunt one.
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Design fault pure and simple. To get to the bottom of the whole sorry saga you may need to have some insider factory source.
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Can we get back to the Cassowary stuff?
Cassowary talons will penetrate almost anything.
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/51492610.jpg)
Close up of talons.
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/c2d2d810.jpg)
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Bears? Pffft! Cougars? Pfft! We have indiscriminate armour piercing killer birds!
Ha!
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(http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/209526-2/Cassowary-kick.gif?) (http://forgifs.com)
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Cassowary talons will penetrate almost anything.
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/51492610.jpg)
Close up of talons.
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/c2d2d810.jpg)
compelling bird=dinosaur evidence down under
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Holy crap, I'd need more than a rag doll or plywood square to get in a ring with that thing. I though turkey's had some spurs.
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Here 'tis:
8V Cam Box Removal
https://youtu.be/VYhG5leoUQk
Well thats a easy job.. What kind of money are we looking at in parts to rollerize it?
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Well thats a easy job.. What kind of money are we looking at in parts to rollerize it?
Scroll down here;
https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=2718&description=Griso+1200+8V+Stock+Replacement+Parts
MY C kit ( 09 a5 motor) was $1400.00 US through local dealer. AF1 looks like a good deal
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Scroll down here;
https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=2718&description=Griso+1200+8V+Stock+Replacement+Parts
MY C kit ( 09 a5 motor) was $1400.00 US through local dealer. AF1 looks like a good deal
I expected worse... I dont have one now, but its good info to have because... well you know you can never have too many Guzzis....
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I expected worse... I dont have one now, but its good info to have because... well you know you can never have too many Guzzis....
I don't own an 8 V, but I get the message that rollerising a motor that has done 30,000 or more, is not the whole solution.
To do the job right, you'd need to tear down the donk and wash/check the internal condition.
With all the shit and corruption floating around inside, aren't you just risking the buggering up of your new components in the roller rockers ?
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Remember that is just getting the cambox off. If the bike is pre middle of 2010 the heads have to come off as well for shim fitment and the rockers have to be swapped into the new camboxes.
Dropping the sump to give it a good clean I also consider vital. The factory's suggestion of simply 'Flushing' with a couple of litres of oil is a joke!
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Back into it this morning.
1200 Sport, about 16,200 miles.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4909/46638757811_795eb8f3aa_z.jpg)
No funny noises, valve clearances all good.
Just sayin'.............
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No DLC touch up in a tube out there yet ? :shocked: