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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: JJ on January 12, 2019, 07:31:56 AM
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...and you thought the Victory Vision was a BEAST!!! :huh: :shocked: :rolleyes: :laugh: :grin: :wink:
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Having ridden both, and owned a R3 (approx. 14,000 miles) I cal say the Vision was, to me, the best of the big Vics by a long shot, and it was a beast.
However, the R3 was a BEAST with a dyno's 148 torque at the rear wheel. Now THAT right there is some BIG fun.
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I like it a lot :grin:
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Having ridden both, and owned a R3 (approx. 14,000 miles) I cal say the Vision was, to me, the best of the big Vics by a long shot, and it was a beast.
However, the R3 was a BEAST with a dyno's 148 torque at the rear wheel. Now THAT right there is some BIG fun.
Yes, indeed!!!..."Hell Hath No Fury"... like a 2300cc, 140+HP inline Rocket III!!! :shocked: :shocked: :huh: :huh: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I've ridden both the Vision and the R3.
meh.
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I've never heard a Rocket described that way. Interesting.
What did you find "meh"?
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somebody has to meh, it's WG procedure
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somebody has to meh, it's WG procedure
:grin: Meh :rolleyes:
Having ridden two R3'S , ohmygawdwholeyschmi dticanseecreationan dthebigbangallhappe ningatoncethismustb ewhatitfeelsliketos itatopasaturnbooste rfeelslike would be accurate.
Dusty
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I've never heard a Rocket described that way. Interesting.
What did you find "meh"?
It's a big torquey bike. Actually, better balanced and lighter feeling than it looks. But in the end just a big bike.
It was worth a half hour to ride but I really wouldn't want to own one.
I'll admit that the new one looks much better. There are lots of fast bike out there, many faster and most are better all around bikes. I suppose I was comparing it to my Suzuki Bandit and was told the Rocket was faster than a 'busa or something. It just didn't ring my bells.
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Wait till you see one with one of these kits on it.
https://www.tts-performance.co.uk/single-post/2016/10/25/Triumph-Rocket-3 (https://www.tts-performance.co.uk/single-post/2016/10/25/Triumph-Rocket-3)
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Had an 05, what a tree stump pulling beast!
Handled better than it should have but a lot to paddle around the garage.
And oh my thigh skin has grown back since the roasting, thanks for asking. :tongue:
inditx
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based on those photos it'll take some work to make a touring version
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It's a big torquey bike. Actually, better balanced and lighter feeling than it looks. But in the end just a big bike.
It was worth a half hour to ride but I really wouldn't want to own one.
I'll admit that the new one looks much better. There are lots of fast bike out there, many faster and most are better all around bikes. I suppose I was comparing it to my Suzuki Bandit and was told the Rocket was faster than a 'busa or something. It just didn't ring my bells.
Many different bikes for many different purposes. I fit on the rocket much better than I fit on a ZX10R. I would rather slice a curvy mountain road on the ZX10R, but I would have to stop every 20 minutes for a break and put it on a trailer to come home. The Rocket would get me to the mountains but I would have to ride the mountains at less than "go to jail" speeds.
All motorcycles have trade-offs.
If I lived in Oklahoma and other mostly flat and straight road states I would prefer the Rocket type bike because the weight also keeps one from having to constantly react to the cross wind gusts.
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At least the name survives from the late 1960s.
Here's the story from back then from triple viewpoints:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSA_Rocket_3/Triumph_Trident (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSA_Rocket_3/Triumph_Trident)
https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/rm-rider-exchange/bsa-rocket-3-history-review/ (https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/rm-rider-exchange/bsa-rocket-3-history-review/)
https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-british-motorcycles/1971-bsa-rocket-3 (https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-british-motorcycles/1971-bsa-rocket-3)
Lift a brew :boozing: to those who paved the way but stumbled...
1969: Here's me on my real Rocket-3 (BSA) and its oh-so-rare Vetter Phantom III fairing:
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'Geezer
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Many different bikes for many different purposes. I fit on the rocket much better than I fit on a ZX10R. I would rather slice a curvy mountain road on the ZX10R, but I would have to stop every 20 minutes for a break and put it on a trailer to come home. The Rocket would get me to the mountains but I would have to ride the mountains at less than "go to jail" speeds.
All motorcycles have trade-offs.
If I lived in Oklahoma and other mostly flat and straight road states I would prefer the Rocket type bike because the weight also keeps one from having to constantly react to the cross wind gusts.
well, I guess there's one guy in Oklahoma that doesn't think so.
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well, I guess there's one guy in Oklahoma that doesn't think so.
Well , that guy lives in the part of Oklahoma where the roads aren't flat and straight :laugh:
The R3 isn't a great back road tool , long and relatively heavy , but it is solid and predictable , has good brakes , and that motor will cover a multitude of shortcomings .
Dusty
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Nothing wrong with an R3, I just didn't think it was all that exciting or practical....
You want excitement? Ride a 1200 Suzuki Bandit in Okla crosswind. Not the excitement that I really enjoy but it IS exciting. :shocked:
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Nothing wrong with an R3, I just didn't think it was all that exciting or practical....
You want excitement? Ride a 1200 Suzuki Bandit in Okla crosswind. Not the excitement that I really enjoy but it IS exciting. :shocked:
Yeah , or a 1984 R100 RT BMW that weighs 550 LBS wet and has enough fairing for two bikes :shocked:
Dusty
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I think your impression of the Rocket III has a lot to do with what you are used to. Coming off an 1800 Goldwing. The R3 is lighter, more nimble, and way torquier. Kind of like waving the fungo bat before stepping up to the plate with your ash toothpick. I'll bet the new one would be even more fun.
Pete
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I think your impression of the Rocket III has a lot to do with what you are used to. Coming off an 1800 Goldwing. The R3 is lighter, more nimble, and way torquier. Kind of like waving the fungo bat before stepping up to the plate with your ash toothpick. I'll bet the new one would be even more fun.
Pete
yeah ....but the Wing is a full-on tourer whereas the R3 is something else. Hard to say what that something is.
the new one looks bitchin'
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The old "there's always a better bike" discussion. Better for who, or what? And who is qualified to say what's "better"? Your touring bike is better for a cross country than another guy's V7 who loves it for just that?
As for handling, tell that to the guys bombing Tracy Road in The Adirondack Mountains, trained track guys, who couldn't shake a guy on a R3. All day.
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The old "there's always a better bike" discussion. Better for who, or what? And who is qualified to say what's "better"? Your touring bike is better for a cross country than another guy's V7 who loves it for just that?
As for handling, tell that to the guys bombing Tracy Road in The Adirondack Mountains, trained track guys, who couldn't shake a guy on a R3. All day.
Are you now talking about the Yamaha R3? That bike is amazing in the tight stuff!
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I'm very afraid of 800 pound bikes....I once did something stupid and fell over on my 900 Monster at 3 mph...No real damage to the bike but there was damage to my pride and I quickly picked up the 430 pound bike and tried to be cool.....If a 800 pound bike falls over in a parking lot, I doubt I could pick it up and would suffer the embarrassment of of being a stupid old skinny guy needing help to pick up his bike....But, I like living in a country where you can buy any vehicle you like.....
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There is a feeling about jamming a torquey 150 lb-ft and 750 lb of motorcycle,
that feeling is inertia. :thumb:
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Wicked. I had the chance to ride a friend's R3 roadster in the hills around Chattanooga, TN. It felt pretty nimble for such a hefty machine, not to mention the monster torque on hand. He'd ride that thing like it was a MotoGP bike.
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I have owned and ridden a Rocket 3 for almost 14 years. Bought it brand new in 2005. Probably my favorite bike of all time. Like most MG riders there is somewhat of a special niche and almost, I hate to use the term, cult following among the owners.
I have been hearing about the release and seeing the leaked photos of the new machine for awhile now. To me, it looks like a "Duc" Diavel. My Son-in-law owned one of those for awhile, sold it before the first major tune was due, I am pretty sure would have required a second mortgage on his home. I am going to hold my final opinion until seeing one up close and personal, but the old original 05 "Fat Bottom Girl" is staying put until the big dirt nap comes..........
Oh, one final note, yes I did run a car tire on the rear for a couple of years, that is almost mandatory......
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I have owned and ridden a Rocket 3 for almost 14 years. Bought it brand new in 2005. Probably my favorite bike of all time. Like most MG riders there is somewhat of a special niche and almost, I hate to use the term, cult following among the owners.
I have been hearing about the release and seeing the leaked photos of the new machine for awhile now. To me, it looks like a "Duc" Diavel. My Son-in-law owned one of those for awhile, sold it before the first major tune was due, I am pretty sure would have required a second mortgage on his home. I am going to hold my final opinion until seeing one up close and personal, but the old original 05 "Fat Bottom Girl" is staying put until the big dirt nap comes..........
Oh, one final note, yes I did run a car tire on the rear for a couple of years, that is almost mandatory......
Gotta love the voice of reason and experience over the nay sayers who seem to find it their purpose to find a fault in something they care nothing about. I never road a T3 but a lot of my friends who rode Honda Valkyries (the real 1500 ones) also had a T3. They mostly loved them. Sure they're big, bulky and heavy. So what. A friend who rides a Victory Vegas recently sat on my Victory CCT and said 'wow, that's a lot of bike to get off the side stand'. Me, I don't even notice the weight as it's just something one must do to get it going down the road. The extra weight of the CCT over the Vegas isn't an issue for me what so over. Thankfully many manufacturers make bikes in small, medium and large to varying degrees. It's great to have options and choices.
If the thought about not being able to pick it up would stop me from buying one, I'd simply be thankful Honda still makes the Grom and be be done with it.
Would I buy the new Rocket? No, not as shown because as much as I love riding motorcycles, I love having my wife with me on the bike even more. Who knows, maybe they'll come out with a touring version. Then I'd certainly have to give it a good test run.
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To misquote a great philosopher, Sir Humphrey Applebee, "The Rocket 3 is important like the opera, the ballet, the National Theatre and the universities...both of them. Because its THERE".
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Looks like a big heavy pig-rocket, but what do I know. I’m in the “lighter is now better” camp.
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All of this because I rode both bikes and said "Meh".
As if my opinion was worth anything. Two test rides and this. :grin:
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This is a forum for discussion about Guzzi primarily....and other bikes...You get opinions if you present something like an 750 pound bike. Some here including me don't care for large heavy bikes..Some here even have bad opinions about Moto Guzzi... :grin:
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My riding buddy up here had an earlier Rocket III, (like this photo), and he liked it.
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He sold it for an Indian Roadmaster, (which he also likes a lot...), but he says he is interested to see if Triumph accessorizes this new model with a windshield and bags for touring. :thumb: :cool: :smiley:
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This is a forum for discussion about Guzzi primarily....and other bikes...You get opinions if you present something like an 750 pound bike. Some here including me don't care for large heavy bikes..Some here even have bad opinions about Moto Guzzi... :grin:
You're right.
And we're always looking for another bike to rag on when we get tired of ragging on Harleys. :wink:
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Indeed, especially now that Victory is history! :azn:
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Indeed, especially now that Victory is history! :azn:
My God, we killed 'em.
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My God, we killed 'em.
And yet Guzzi still staggers along.... :thumb:
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And yet Guzzi still staggers along.... :thumb:
I think we proved:
'What does not kill you makes you stronger."
Or at least, keeps you staggering along.
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I just wanted to follow up on this.
I went to see Don, the local service guy that has taken on the Guzzi business here. I needed a new rear tire my Duc. I noticed that he has three Rocket triples in his service bay. Two were even identical down to the color.
Why do you have all these Rocket Triumphs here?
The local dealer sends me Triumphs and Ducatis that they don't want to or can't work on. :shocked:
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I just wanted to follow up on this.
I went to see Don, the local service guy that has taken on the Guzzi business here. I needed a new rear tire my Duc. I noticed that he has three Rocket triples in his service bay. Two were even identical down to the color.
Why do you have all these Rocket Triumphs here?
The local dealer sends me Triumphs and Ducatis that they don't want to or can't work on. :shocked:
Sounds like you found the right service guy. :thumb:
I saw a Rocket going down the road the other morning holding up traffic. :grin: You would think that someone who buys a bike like that would at least keep up with the flow. :wink:
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Glad to see they did something about that suitcase of a radiator! :thumb:
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I'm curious why the engineers limited the fork turning on these monsters. My gut feeling is that it may be so that if you gave it a handful of fun at a standstill , there would be less of a chance of embarrassment . It does make it hard for me to do a tight circle, weather pushing around the garage or riding in a parking lot.