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Title: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: Bruce Reader on January 14, 2019, 01:48:24 AM

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(https://i.ibb.co/wrLc9k5/IMG-0933.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrLc9k5)

(https://i.ibb.co/TH6SQY3/IMG-0934.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TH6SQY3)

(https://i.ibb.co/kH4mSRq/IMG-0935.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kH4mSRq)

(https://i.ibb.co/Srb5TNZ/IMG-0930.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Srb5TNZ)

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Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: yogidozer on January 14, 2019, 05:02:30 AM
Did you find it in area 51?  :shocked:
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: earemike on January 14, 2019, 05:16:37 AM
If it’s legit 1909 model 5 single
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: JJ on January 14, 2019, 06:09:56 AM
Quote from: earemike on January 14, 2019, 05:16:37 AM
If it’s legit 1909 model 5 single

Man, that's a FIND!!  :cool: :thumb: :smiley: :wink:  Maybe one of these!!


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Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 14, 2019, 06:32:25 AM
Why the title worded the way it is?
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: cliffrod on January 14, 2019, 06:39:42 AM
Quote from: twowheeladdict on January 14, 2019, 06:32:25 AM
Why the title worded the way it is?

Yup, title makes no sense, unless "HD" means the local tshirt dealer who think a shovelhead is ancient...

Looks like a 21ci model BA engine made for about 10 yrs around the late 20's-early 30's  the early singles like this were not as popular at the twins, so are less likely to be quickly identified nowadays.
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: Lannis on January 14, 2019, 08:04:31 AM
Quote from: cliffrod on January 14, 2019, 06:39:42 AM
Yup, title makes no sense, unless "HD" means the local tshirt dealer who think a shovelhead is ancient...



This.   Harley Davidson corporate probably still has the dispatch sheet that tells what dealer sold it, what day it was manufactured, and whether it came with the optional klaxon horn and special tires .... !

Lannis
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: cliffrod on January 14, 2019, 08:33:56 AM
To be fair- If every HD dealer maintained a staff that entertained every out of warranty & parts inventory (especially by decades, of not a century) related inquiry, that would not be a viable business model.  Certain people may know or be able to help, but bills need to be paid.
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: indian on January 14, 2019, 10:21:08 AM
Dale Walshop at Wheels Thru Time in NC coud probably identify that piece for you.
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: Madtownguzzi on January 14, 2019, 12:05:17 PM
Try the Harley museum in Milwaukee. Looks like the 1910 model in this timeline from the museum website.

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/museum/explore/hd-timeline.html
https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/museum.html
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: cliffrod on January 14, 2019, 12:19:22 PM
1927 Model B, suffix as needed.  Two camshafts, two pushrods....


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Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on January 14, 2019, 12:29:34 PM
Quote from: indian on January 14, 2019, 10:21:08 AM
Dale Walshop Walksler at Wheels Thru Time in NC coud probably identify that piece for you.

Fixed it for you.  :wink:
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: Bruce Reader on January 14, 2019, 06:27:21 PM
Sorry for the lack text.  i was in a hurry to post it last night.

It was found in a shed in Australia while moving house.
It was probably from a bike my friends grandfather may have raced.  Little is known of it.

the local Harley dealer wasn't much help so i thought the brains trust here could help.

thanks for the replies.

Cheers

Bruce
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: cliffrod on January 14, 2019, 07:35:30 PM
For comparison, the HD Factory 500 cc racing singles of this same era had a somewhat similar two camshaft timing chest as the plain B singles.  But the racing engines had overhead valves with exposed rocker gear and a single or dual exhaust port- much different than the typical flathead valve and normal exhaust port of the regular production B singles.  HD built few true CAC engines.  The three dual port CAC engines I've personally seen are very cool, to say the least.

Despite the success of these engines, HD decided to drop their single cylinder racing efforts to to focus on VTwin race engines.  That was supposedly the reason that Joe Petrali, pictured here in one of those very cool dual port singles, parted ways with the factory race program.


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Article with same pic plus two more showing a single port version-
https://www.aimag.com/joe-petrali-cac-500-harley-motorcycle-racer/ (https://www.aimag.com/joe-petrali-cac-500-harley-motorcycle-racer/)

Your B engine may have been raced as a privateer effort.  They weren't known to be performance-oriented.  No matter, it's still something I would enjoy to have in my shop whether it's on a bike or not.  Great find- thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: rdbandkab on January 14, 2019, 08:43:24 PM
This thread had me going thru my Maggie Valley trip photos.  Found the original HD Livewire.

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Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 15, 2019, 06:37:17 AM
Quote from: rdbandkab on January 14, 2019, 08:43:24 PM
This thread had me going thru my Maggie Valley trip photos.  Found the original HD Livewire.

(https://i.ibb.co/Jx0bjcp/acdchd.jpg)

Did you take a photo of the paperwork?  I didn't see that bike when I was there summer '17. 
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: BrotherJim on January 15, 2019, 09:43:10 AM
+1 Dale Walksler.  He or even his son, Matt will know what it is.  You can email them through the Wheels Through Time website.
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: rdbandkab on January 15, 2019, 06:40:04 PM
No paperwork photo...  :undecided:
Title: Re: Harley Davidson doesn't know what this is ?
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on January 17, 2019, 07:03:19 AM
 The electric starter must be a bitch on that model.