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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: inditx on February 03, 2019, 09:55:00 PM
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Got a new set of Shinko 230’s that I bought for another Guzzi but traded her too soon! Anyway, I would like to know if the 130/90/17 will fit on the rear of my 98 EV? Factory is 140/80/17, fyi.
My Avons are not worn yet but thinking ahead. :bike-037:
Thanks in advance,
inditx
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Yes
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Thanks guzzisteve!
I love this forum......
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I just passed 6,000 miles on my 1998 EV with these.
Shinko 712 Rear Tire 130/90-17 68H
Shinko 230 Front Tour Master Tire 110/90-18 61V
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I really wish I was open minded enough to give these Shitco things a go..
Maybe I've become accustomed to being ripped off with Michelins, but when I've overcooked an apex and about to run off the road, where only extra lean past my usual panic point is required, there's something about the word "SHINKO" that screams "BROKEN FEMUR..!"
I'm not able to give an honest opinion of how they stack up because I've never ridden 'round the block on one, (probably never will), but the word "Michelin" or "Pirelli, just sounds better.
Brand association I suppose.
A bit like when I'm a long way from any help and I reach for the starter on a BMW, I just "feel" safer than on my Guzzi, but history tells me I'm in error to think that way..
Anyhoo...
Does anyone have any shots of a well used rear or front, (or both) with the edges pasted up just a bit ?
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Does anyone have any shots of a well used rear or front, (or both) with the edges pasted up just a bit ?
You won't get one from me. :smiley: When I built the Skorpion out of a pile, I put a set of "Podiums" on it. They were.. ok.. here in the midwest. Once I took it to the SoCal canyons, however, the first order of business was getting them off. I did ride it to the San Diego rally and on some roads down there.. but carefully. Both ends were telling me that maybe I should just slow down and smell the roses. :smiley:
Put a set of Conti sport attack3s on. Yowza! Good tires.. :thumb:
Edit: for the OP. Ridden sanely, 712s should be ok on an EV. They are ok on the G5
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I fully accept the notion that most tyres will out perform the average rider, which statistically most of us here are.
But.
The limiting factor as to how far I will push my tyres is not how good they are, it's how good I FEEL like they are..
And Shitco just doesn't sound.....Good !
Honestly, if you disguised the tread and re branded my brand new Pilot 5's, in such a way that I didn't know, I'd probably pack my dacks on them and vice versa on the others.
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I really wish I was open minded enough to give these Shitco things a go..
Maybe I've become accustomed to being ripped off with Michelins, but when I've overcooked an apex and about to run off the road, where only extra lean past my usual panic point is required, there's something about the word "SHINKO" that screams "BROKEN FEMUR..!"
I'm not able to give an honest opinion of how they stack up because I've never ridden 'round the block on one, (probably never will), but the word "Michelin" or "Pirelli, just sounds better.
Brand association I suppose.
I too was skeptical however, after running a set on the '07 Norge, I was most impressed. YMMV.
Good stick, I am not a really aggressive rider but I do push it to my own limits, they never let me down. Mileage was better than the Michelins and others that I have tried. Again, YMMV.
Best,
Rob
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All I know is for the price the Shinkos are a very good value.
I had them on a couple of different bikes and they felt planted in the corners and lasted longer than I had the bikes. :bike-037:
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I'm on my 9th rear and 5th front with the 804/805 big blocks on my Tigers over the years. Fabulous tire, zero blow outs, balance well, wear pretty good, 5k rear and 10k fronts, only 1 front cupped and that was because I ran it low for too long after offroading, excellent road manner, solid off road except in mud but that is what you get with a "paddle style" rear design. Wish they made 'em in a size small enough for the v7 as they are so much better then the speed demons on road.
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Bottom line, one can blow all the money they wish on name brand tires. I've ran Shinkos on several heavy bikes and pushed then to my limits with no adverse conditions. Mileage is as good of better than the top brands as well.
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Shinko 705’s 70/30 tire on oilhead GS had awesome dry traction. Wet... I was nervous.
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Been running Shinkos on my LeMans III for about 2 years. No complaints. All of my riding is street, and I maybe put on about 3,000 miles a season. When these wear out, it'll be Shinkos again. For around half the price of the big names, you get a really good tire.
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Bottom line, one can blow all the money they wish on name brand tires. I've ran Shinkos on several heavy bikes and pushed then to my limits with no adverse conditions. Mileage is as good of better than the top brands as well.
Ok, how many miles on a rear ?
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Ok, how many miles on a rear ?
On heavier bikes such as Harley's one should get from 7-8k when ridden reasonably. I sold my 03 Electra glide when the shinko had 5k with still a fair amount of useable tread. Give one a try, what have you got to loose? Read as many reviews as you can find from users and see how many are negative.
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Ok, how many miles on a rear ?
I'm right at 6,000 miles on the rear on my EV and ready to change. Have a brand new set in waiting. I also put a set oin my 1100 Breva and 1986 1000 Lemans. In the past I have ran Metzler's and Michelin's and so far very pleased with the Shinko's.
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Give one a try, what have you got to loose?
Cheap tyres on a motorbike ?
Now let me think... :rolleyes:
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not a cheap tire just inexpensive because of advertising ETC!
on a 1998 and them 2001 EV mileage total over 180000.
last few tires trying to find something like the dunlop 491 that i usually changed at 12000 but would have done 15000 but was square.
BT45 never got 4500 miles,
Bridgestone S11 6000
roadriders 3 at 7000
everything bald so far by the way.
tried the Shinko 230 front and rear and I just changed the rear at 6000 but it haad at least 1000 left but we are looking at a week of rain so I was bored
did the 712 this time at $77 if I remember right to the front door and nothing getting good mileage I'd rather spend that extra $$$ on good scotch!
no problems an any of them and thats more than I can say on some of the name brands.
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Cheap tyres on a motorbike ?
Now let me think... :rolleyes:
Ok Huzo you are a formidable critic of the Shinko tire, have you ever ran one on your motorcycle?
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Good scotch??? 😃 you have my attention! .... umm back to the coversation
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As I recall, Yokohama ( spelling? ), decided to get out of the motorcycle tire business.
Shinko, a Korean conglomerate, bought the molds and formulas from them and set up shop.
They have expanded their line and have a good retail track record.
Some folks will be turned off, because they are a Korean company, are budget priced, etc.
In my experience with my 02 Stone, then with my B 1100, they handle better than I do, last at least 10,000 miles on the
rear and I buy 2 tires for the price of 1 big name tire.
Until I ride something else with different tires that really impress me, I will go with Shinkos.
YMMV
kjf
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Ok Huzo you are a formidable critic of the Shinko tire, have you ever ran one on your motorcycle?
Not a critic of the Shinko as such, but always been wary of seeking to economise on tyres, brakes and lights.
No, I haven't run a Shinko and most decidedly never will, but I'll bet my aching arse that if some bargain hunter on this forum crashes due to poor tyre choice, we'll never hear about it.
As I mentioned earlier, it's more about the confidence that a good tyre brings, which translates into enhanced enjoyment. Again, if you re-branded my Michelins with Shinko and re-deigned the tread pattern, I'd probably ride off in blissful ignorance, so I'm aware that my logic is probably flawed, I just choose not to care.
Buying cheap tyres is like buying cheap oil or brake pads...Bugger it !
Also.
I've been called a lot of things, not all of them complimentary which will surely surprise, but never formidable.
BTW..
That'd be run, not ran.. :thumb:
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Here was the last "name brand" tire I purchased for my EV (Metzler). Since then I went Shinko and never looked back.
(https://i.ibb.co/4SWkSwp/9560828602-cef2c95f55-b.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4SWkSwp)
(https://i.ibb.co/0hBC2Pm/th.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0hBC2Pm)
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How many miles between the bottom shot and the top ?
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All I know is for the price the Shinkos are a very good value.
Oh I see, so if I may paraphrase..
"They're only 60% as good..
But in their defence
They're only 60% as expensive.."
Or.
"Considering how cheap they are, they're actually not too horrible.."
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I really wish I was open minded enough to give these Shitco things a go..
Maybe I've become accustomed to being ripped off with Michelins, but when I've overcooked an apex and about to run off the road, where only extra lean past my usual panic point is required, there's something about the word "SHINKO" that screams "BROKEN FEMUR..!"
I'm not able to give an honest opinion of how they stack up because I've never ridden 'round the block on one, (probably never will), but the word "Michelin" or "Pirelli, just sounds better.
Brand association I suppose.
A bit like when I'm a long way from any help and I reach for the starter on a BMW, I just "feel" safer than on my Guzzi, but history tells me I'm in error to think that way..
Anyhoo...
Does anyone have any shots of a well used rear or front, (or both) with the edges pasted up just a bit ?
So, Shinko is a manufacturer. What tire you choose is going to determine the level of grip you have.
I have run many sets of shinko dual sport tires on dual sports from 250 to 650 cc and no complaints.
I have run Shinko Raven 009s on my 650 Versys from dirt to interstates without a hiccup. I also ran the 009s on the Vulcan Meanstreak without a hiccup.
I picked up nails twice on Michelin Pilot Road 4s, and once with Perelli Angel GTs running on my 1400 Concours and Trophy SE.
The flat PR4s got replaced with contimotion since that was all I could find on the road and no issues out of them except they give you no clue you are about to wear into the cords.
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So im not seeing any 140/80 listed for the shinkos.. are you guys all running the 130/90's on your EV and stones??
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Yes
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Huzo buddy , hop your happy self and that Norge with its high priced tyres over here and see if you can keep up with my worn out Jackal with its cheap Shinkos on a twisty road :tongue:
Dusty
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Oh I see, so if I may paraphrase..
"They're only 60% as good..
But in their defence
They're only 60% as expensive.."
Or.
"Considering how cheap they are, they're actually not too horrible.."
I've only tried a few Shinko tires and only on my "classic" bikes. My experience: the Shinko 230 Tour Master has better traction (much better in the wet) than the Bridgestone S11 Spitfire I had been using and the same feel, but wears slightly faster. A pair costs approx. $30 less than the Bridgestone - $128 a pair vs. $158 (it had been closer to $60 less until the price of the Bridgestones dropped recently).
I'm running the Shinko 712 on my Morini 350 K2 and previously used them on my MZ Silver Star 500. Better tire than what they replaced (Conti Go!) - traction just as good, last twice as long, only $100 a pair.
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How many miles between the bottom shot and the top ?
I don't recall but know the tires were less than 2 years old and less than 5,000 miles on them
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So im not seeing any 140/80 listed for the shinkos.. are you guys all running the 130/90's on your EV and stones??
1998 EV
Shinko 712 Rear Tire 130/90-17 68H
Shinko 230 Front Tour Master Tire 110/90-18 61V
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Huzo,
Is change that hard for you or is this a special case?
Not meaning to be coy here but if you have real world experience from this forum on Shinkos wouldn’t you at least “want “ to give them a go?
BTW, I am NOT being paid nor am I in any way affiliated with shinko.
inditx
p..s They purchased the molds and such from Yokohama back in 98, does that help the argument or hurt it? :undecided:
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I have been using ME880 and 888 on the EVT and HD and S11's on the loops. Tried the Michelin Commander rear 160/70-17 on my EV but didn't care for it's wet traction, I think it has about 9K miles and looks good for another 9K. Tried it on my HD, didn't care for it there either.
I do like the ME880 and 888 especially for the front. To me it has a confidence inspiring tread pattern.
On my EVT, when I pulled the Commander off, I decided to try the Shinko 777HD. So far so good, but have not had a chance to test it in the rain yet. So far I have about 6500 miles on it and it looks like it will go another 8-10K.
The issue I have with all tires is that I don't ride the twisties, mainly freeway, so the center is where it's really getting worn especially the rear. But than again I think it's good for another 8-10K. This is about what the ME880 gets.
At my tire shop, the price difference was not that much. I think the 777HD was about $170ish and the ME880 was just over $200 installed and balanced.
I do have a big issue with all mfg tires. Why can't they make a matching front and rear for my Guzzies that I like. I like the 888, I can get the front for the loops but not a rear. I can get the 777 for the rear of the EVT, but not the front, well maybe a 120/90-18 might just stuff in there. At least the S11 is a tire that I'm comfortable with and can get them for F/R. I looked at maybe getting the Shinko version of the S11 and they have a rear, but only the 100/90-18 for the front. I have always used the 110/90-18.
I do have a question on the Shinko Tourmaster. I looked at them and to me looked like they would have poor wet traction. What do you guys think about them?? I ask because the S11's are not showing on Bridgestone's web site. They MAY be going away??
Tom
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Advertising costs a lot of money , and therefore adds to the price of the product .
All of the " premium " brands advertise heavily ; sponsoring racers , pages in magazines , mention in articles , pop-up ads , etc …
I have yet to see an ad for Shinko tires anywhere ; this forum is the first I had heard of them , so I have them on my Guzzi now .
I will probably try them on other bikes when the time comes , because they are nice tires .
It occurred to me that there is another way to promote a product without spending much on mainstream marketing methods : The Internet forum . The marketing guy could either idly mention a particular brand , or when the opportunity arose , start bad - mouthing the brand , causing others to come to its defense and singing its praises .
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The issue I have with all tires is that I don't ride the twisties, mainly freeway, so the center is where it's really getting worn especially the rear. But than again I think it's good for another 8-10K. This is about what the ME880 gets.
I'm good with all the likes and dislikes of Shinko's and I have them installed on a couple of my bikes and I like them fine.
The thing that is incomprehensible to me is the above quote about not riding the twisties :shocked:. Just east of San Diego about 20 miles begins some of the best twistie riding roads I have ever been on.
I'm envious of anyone living in the area.
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I do have a question on the Shinko Tourmaster. I looked at them and to me looked like they would have poor wet traction. What do you guys think about them?? I ask because the S11's are not showing on Bridgestone's web site. They MAY be going away??
Tom
In my experience, the Shinko 230s have excellent wet traction, better than anything I've ever used in fact. 2018 was a wet one here in the east (75" of rain!) so I had lots of riding in not just wet roads, but in torrential downpours and everything in between. Never had a doubt about traction.
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I'm good with all the likes and dislikes of Shinko's and I have them installed on a couple of my bikes and I like them fine.
The thing that is incomprehensible to me is the above quote about not riding the twisties :shocked:. Just east of San Diego about 20 miles begins some of the best twistie riding roads I have ever been on.
I'm envious of anyone living in the area.
Oh, I fully agree, but not everyone likes to do that stuff. <shrug> Different strokes for different folks and all that.
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I always assumed riding twisties was the essence of motorcycling. I guess it would not be my first mis-assumption.
I just can't think of another reason to do it.
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I didn't say I didn't like to ride up in the hills, it's the stop and go traffic, lane splitting for miles just to get there. I used to go to Malibu every weekend in my youth. The freeway traffic was not bad back then. Now it just seems like all the relaxation I get from the hills gets taken away getting there and back. Traffic out here sucks.
I'll take another look at the 230's when my loops are ready for a new set. Thanks!
Tom
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I always assumed riding twisties was the essence of motorcycling. I guess it would not be my first mis-assumption.
I just can't think of another reason to do it.
I started my riding journey in Daytona Beach, FL. We had one curvy route through the Tomoka forest and it wasn't much.
For me the essence of motorcycling was being out in the open. No insurance cost. Low maintenance cost. Riding to the beach and on the beach in swim trunks and surfing sandals.
When I moved to the Tennessee Valley 10 years later I realized I did not know how to ride a motorcycle. Sure, I knew how to operate a motorcycle, but I didn't know how to ride a motorcycle.
I ride roads now that I recall being scared to death to ride those many years ago. Of course now the eyes are starting to fail me so I am working towards being more timid on new roads. Out here in the country it is very common for the road to curve just past the crest of a hill while a driveway continues ahead playing havoc with your vision and response while trying to decide where the road actually goes.
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I don't recall but know the tires were less than 2 years old and less than 5,000 miles on them
There was certainly some de lamination in the bottom shot.
Did you continue to ride it 'till the chunk came out, or tear it loose for added effect as shown in the top shot ?
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Huzo, gentleman to gentleman, no animosity,intended at all, have you or have you not, ran a Shinko on your bike?
I realize the name turns some fokes off, as if did me, the first time I heard of them. My first thought was "Chinese Junk" however after getting pounded by the popular main name brands prices, I did the sensible thing, I did the research and read dozens of reviews and never read a negative one! My first one sold me on the tires! Heck, try one on the back of your bike, save a hundred bucks with the experiment and if you aren't satisfied with the product then don't buy another one. To think badly of the tire without personal experience is somewhat nearsighted. Hope we are still buddies Mate;)
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Huzo buddy , hop your happy self and that Norge with its high priced tyres over here and see if you can keep up with my worn out Jackal with its cheap Shinkos on a twisty road :tongue:
Dusty
I'd have no chance keeping up Dusty.
I'm not a fast rider and gave up trying to be, but I'd be prepared to indulge you in Victoria's high country or the Stelvio Pass or the Transfagarasan !
There's another thing I won't be swayed on.
Looking at a brand new set of Pilot 5's with the mold tits on them, about to start an 18,000 k journey in Europe, knowing that they'll do that distance, without having some butcher in Lithuania grappling with my alloy rims and 3' tyre levers sweating like a whore in a Church and cursing like a drunken sailor, does make me feel "happy".
My rear tyre costs me $1.50 for every 100 km give or take.
Interestingly if you do the math, every full tank of fuel used you can add $10, given that a set of tyres lasts about 50 full tanks at 500 k's per tank.
(That was a bit of a revelation..!)
But I digress..
Can you do the sums on the cost per KILOMETRE on a rear Shinko ?
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What's a kilometre ?
Dusty
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Huzo, gentleman to gentleman, no animosity,intended at all, have you or have you not, ran a Shinko on your bike?
I realize the name turns some fokes off, as if did me, the first time I heard of them. My first thought was "Chinese Junk" however after getting pounded by the popular main name brands prices, I did the sensible thing, I did the research and read dozens of reviews and never read a negative one! My first one sold me on the tires! Heck, try one on the back of your bike, save a hundred bucks with the experiment and if you aren't satisfied with the product then don't buy another one. To think badly of the tire without personal experience is somewhat nearsighted. Hope we are still buddies Mate;)
Absolutely Officer, I never thought otherwise.
I did respond to your post asking if I had RAN a Shinko @ reply #21.
I did suggest that I had not, and there'd be more chance of a Bull going into orbit, than using one.
Chinese tyres on an Italian bike... all seems a bit cheap and nasty to me.
I love my Ropered/Beetled/Wired Norge and it loves me, I won't demean it by asking it to come with me on life affirming intercontinental journeys on "cheap" tyres.
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Huzo , you really need a geography lesson , South Korea isn't China .
Dusty
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What's a kilometre ?
Dusty
If you tell me what miles you can do on a rear Shinko before it's shagged, I'll break out my abacus and grapple with some advanced mathematics.
Is the average Yank really as tight as a fish's arse, or does it just seem that way ?
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Huzo , you really need a geography lesson , South Korea isn't China .
Dusty
Now THAT is certainly something I can't argue with...(but I'm willing to try.)
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Dunno about mileage , I tend to install new tires as needed , probably about 8K miles on a rear 712 , most of that loaded fairly heavy and running at 80 MPH plus .
Dusty
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Dunno about mileage , I tend to install new tires as needed , probably about 8K miles on a rear 712 , most of that loaded fairly heavy and running at 80 MPH plus .
Dusty
The logic always seems to stand up, I just seem to have a barrier that I choose not to try to cross.
There are some wise old heads that say I should discard my prejudice but I just haven't found a reason to. I suppose my image of a well set up bike always includes Michelin or Pirelli tyres and there just hasn't been any preponderance of evidence to begin to turn that tide, which does not mean that my views are necessarily well founded, just well rooted..(I use the term in the same context as you guys..)
I do recall my student days on a T 500 with second hand Bridgestones and Metzelers that were shocking (at the time), so that's probably why I decry "cheap" tyres...
I'm just a prejudiced old bastard..
But now I can afford to be closed minded.
Y'all have gotta' admit though, this does look good doesn't it..?
(https://i.ibb.co/9TYr7dN/IMG-1153.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9TYr7dN)
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Absolutely Officer, I never thought otherwise.
I did respond to your post asking if I had RAN a Shinko @ reply #21.
I did suggest that I had not, and there'd be more chance of a Bull going into orbit, than using one.
Chinese tyres on an Italian bike... all seems a bit cheap and nasty to me. It'd be like going on a date with a (young) Angelina Jolie and asking her to wear a dress from the Salvation Army...!
(Although she probably could...)
I love my Ropered/Beetled/Wired Norge and it loves me, I won't demean it by asking it to come with me on life affirming intercontinental journeys on "cheap" tyres.
Now you're kicking the Salvation Army, where I shop and where most of my wardrobe came from😂😂😂
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Y'all have gotta' admit though, this does look good doesn't it..?
(https://i.ibb.co/9TYr7dN/IMG-1153.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9TYr7dN)
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Yes it does
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Shinko's
Rode my Strom 650 from Wollongong to Darwin (Australia) with Shinko tyres.
We had cold, wet and hot, tyre preformed great, two up with luggage.
Will be putting another on the back soon.
Not sure why the name would be an issue, performance to cost is a good thing.
Good as my Michelin on my Griso.
Give them ago.
If your number is 46 and ride a Yamaha maybe there maybe a problem :grin:
Harry
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Bugger me.
I just fitted my two new Pilot 5's and noticed that they are made in....THAILAND..!!! :sad:
Might be time for a family dose of humble pie.. :embarrassed:
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Shinko's are very good tires. I currently have 4 bikes with Shinko mounted on them, all give very good performance/dollar value and will continue to use them. That being said I have Pilot 5 on my Stelvio and their performance is the equal to the Shinko's, just appear to last awhile longer. Ya pays yer money and takes yer choice. Ride safely please.
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Bugger me.
I just fitted my two new Pilot 5's and noticed that they are made in....THAILAND..!!! :sad:
Might be time for a family dose of humble pie.. :embarrassed:
Lol my friend, you may be in danger of being a gentleman and a scholar but I won't let it out:)
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Bugger me.
I just fitted my two new Pilot 5's and noticed that they are made in....THAILAND..!!! :sad:
Might be time for a family dose of humble pie.. :embarrassed:
And many Continentals are made in Korea, Pirellis in Brazil...
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I've used lots of Shinko's and have never been disappointed. In fact I was using them in a time when the mere suggestion of Shinko would have mobs gather outside with pitchforks and torches chanting about how they value their live too much to save money by using Shinko's. FF a few years and now its not uncommon to see $30,000 BMW's with Shinko 705's on them.
I've ridden on lots of TOTD type roads with a buddy of mine who is on a worn GS that is overloaded and usually shod with well worn Shinkos. On more than occasion I watched him walk away from riders on Sport Bikes that were pushing it pretty hard.
With modern tires it not so much the tire ability it's the riders ability.
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Between my son, and I we have 10 motorcycles in the family. I own 5, 4 Guzzis, and a Gold wing. All of my Guzzis have Shinkos on them, and I have been using them for years ,with great results. I am a big fan of Shinko tires, and use them on every thing I can.
I recently mounted a set of the " Pep Boys Kendas" that Charlie turned me on to, on my 73 Eldorado, and am happy with those so far. Those are the most inexpensive tires I have ever bought, at $43.00 for both shipped to my door!
I have done all my own tire mounting and balancing since the 70's and I have been impressed with the quality of the Shinkos. They dont require much weight to balance, and that is one sign of a decent tire. They have never required more than an ounce and a half of weight to balance.
FWIW, I am running the Shinko 712's in 150 -70 -17 size on the rear of my 03 Cali Aluminum, and its the best tire I have tried on that bike, which being a sidecar tug, is tough on rear tires. I already have 5K miles on it, and it still looks like it has a couple of thousand to go. It has worn flat as a pancake, but thats expected, in this application.
Back in the late 70s, early 80s, I used some tires of the IRC brand, and man, you could tell right away they were "cheapies". They required alot of weight to balance out, and would be worn out in 3-4 thousand miles.
Shinkos are nothing like those! :grin:
Rick.
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On the old 850T I've migrated over the decades from Conti to Bridgestone to Shinko -- and Shinko inspires the most confidence. The 850 doesn't make enough power to wear out a rear tire -- I've gotten 10,000 miles -- and I can corner on the footpegs. I don't ride the Mille that aggressively (maybe I'm now too old to ride the 850 that way) and am still on my first set of Shinkos for the bigger bike.
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On the old 850T I've migrated over the decades from Conti to Bridgestone to Shinko -- and Shinko inspires the most confidence. The 850 doesn't make enough power to wear out a rear tire -- I've gotten 10,000 miles -- and I can corner on the footpegs. I don't ride the Mille that aggressively (maybe I'm now too old to ride the 850 that way) and am still on my first set of Shinkos for the bigger bike.
YMMV. My experience with the Podiums was entirely different. Both ends felt like they were ready to let go before even getting close to dragging something. <shrug>
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YMMV. My experience with the Podiums was entirely different. Both ends felt like they were ready to let go before even getting close to dragging something. <shrug>
Well you can't both be right..
Oil and tyres, good little conversation starters.
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I started my riding journey in Daytona Beach, FL. We had one curvy route through the Tomoka forest and it wasn't much.
For me the essence of motorcycling was being out in the open. No insurance cost. Low maintenance cost. Riding to the beach and on the beach in swim trunks and surfing sandals.
When I moved to the Tennessee Valley 10 years later I realized I did not know how to ride a motorcycle. Sure, I knew how to operate a motorcycle, but I didn't know how to ride a motorcycle.
I ride roads now that I recall being scared to death to ride those many years ago. Of course now the eyes are starting to fail me so I am working towards being more timid on new roads. Out here in the country it is very common for the road to curve just past the crest of a hill while a driveway continues ahead playing havoc with your vision and response while trying to decide where the road actually goes.
Rode with a group of folks from Eastern TN and those boys know how to ride the tight technical twisties. In all fairness thats all there is around them to ride so you either get good or you'll get hurt trying to keep up.
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My experience with the Podiums was entirely different. Both ends felt like they were ready to let go before even getting close to dragging something
I'm running the 712 on both the 850T and the Mille. Shinko says the 712 is a wet-weather tire -- I don't know about that. It's a bias-ply, compared to the radial Podium, and I don't know what difference that would make. Different compounds too. In theory tire pressure is critical but I ride in the mountains, up and down between 6000 feet and 12000 feet which means significant pressure changes in the course of a ride. Maybe I'd feel differently about the tire if I were sitting on 100 hp, but on a good day my carbureted bikes produce less than half that at my density altitudes.
I pretty much agree with this 712 review: https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/shinko-712-tire-review
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So those that have run them... whats the difference between the 230, and the 712?? I have a new to me cali stone that has Lazertecs on it, and the rear is all fulled with sidewall cracks.. Front is still good... so i was think thinking of popping one of the Shinkos on the rear till I need both replaced. I was wondering about the change from 140/80, to a 130/90... but really I just got the bike, so I have nothing to compare it to.
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The Shinko tire discussion came up a number of years ago. Those of us that put on lots of miles like them and some that don't use them somehow hate them, I reported at that time the bad luck I had with Shinko when I was coming back from the beer joint on a freezing winter night. I hit the brakes on an ice covered bridge and went down. I got the bike back up, revved the motor, popped the clutch and went down again. Blame Shinko tires, huh?
Tex
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It's not because they don't use them that they hate them, it's because they hate them that they don't use them..
I'm confused as to where the bad luck bit was ?
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So those that have run them... whats the difference between the 230, and the 712?? I have a new to me cali stone that has Lazertecs on it, and the rear is all fulled with sidewall cracks.. Front is still good... so i was think thinking of popping one of the Shinkos on the rear till I need both replaced. I was wondering about the change from 140/80, to a 130/90... but really I just got the bike, so I have nothing to compare it to.
Having used both models , the 712 has a slightly rounder profile and steers a bit quicker , although the 230 isn't bad in that department .
Dusty
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Having used both models , the 712 has a slightly rounder profile and steers a bit quicker , although the 230 isn't bad in that department .
Dusty
OK, cool thanks.. I enjoy the curving side roads, and running the side roads in the hills so sounds the 712 might be better for me. Seems a bit cheaper also, so even better. Once I get some miles under the new bike I can revisit tire choice.
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While on the subject of tire sizes I'm close to needing a back tire on my 1400. I want to go with the 180 series but keep the same height as close as possible. What size SHINKO would it take?