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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ncdan on February 21, 2019, 05:56:40 PM
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Hey guys, just doing some research. I was thinking about adding a second bike, possibly a duel sport bike. I want one as light as possible but it must be big enough for comfortable touring, within reason, understanding it's not going to compete with a heavy touring mechine. The one,of probably many out there, I've been looking at is the Suzuki Strom 650. This bike,with larger planners, seems like a good choice and older models with low miles can be had from 3-4K can be found. What say y'all?
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Thousands of people use the Wee-Strom for touring all over the world at any weight and under any conditions.
I've ridden one a ways, and I wouldn't hesitate to ride it anywhere ...
Lannis
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Good choice. :thumb:
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I think the real question is, can it be actually used off-road?
At least this test suggests it takes another $1100-1200 to prepare it for such use.
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/suzuki-v-strom-650-off-road/
I always got the impression it was used more for on-road touring than off-road anything.
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I think the real question is, can it be actually used off-road?
At least this test suggests it takes another $1100-1200 to prepare it for such use.
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/suzuki-v-strom-650-off-road/
I always got the impression it was used more for on-road touring than off-road anything.
I don't get the impression than Ncdan is intending to go off-road with it. The "dual sport" thing was just an indication of the bike type. I say that because I have a "dual sport" and I'm not taking that monster off-road; it's the best road bike I have ... !
Lannis
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I think the real question is, can it be actually used off-road?
At least this test suggests it takes another $1100-1200 to prepare it for such use.
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/suzuki-v-strom-650-off-road/
I always got the impression it was used more for on-road touring than off-road anything.
You are definitely right in your assessment. Being a serious trail ridder and hill climber in my youth, I don't think I'd want to take a mechine this big in the woods. However I would be into off pavement dirt roads through scenic area and such and best I can tell it would be suitable for that type of ridding.
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I still think you're looking at tires, bash plate, and crash bars right? That's still another $1kish.
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I wouldn't call it very light tho. I can do touring on a DR650 and it's at least 100# lighter than the Strom.it does freeway speeds no problem.
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I still think you're looking at tires, bash plate, and crash bars right? That's still another $1kish.
It would be great if I could find an older model with not a lot of miles, that already had that extra stuff, including hard tough luggage. However I would not spend more money to add the protection bars etc. like Lannis speculated I will not be doing any serious trail riding as I realize this bike is really not designed for that type of use anyway. I think slightly rough roads would be the limit for me and the bike. Any worse than that I'll be looking for a wide place in the road for turning around:)
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I hope my riding buddy, Tom, (Grebmrof) responds. We headed West in 2011, me on my 2008 MG Sport 1200, Tom on his V Strom 650. Both of us were equipped with panniers and rear racks, and were carrying standard camping gear (tent, sleeping bag, air mattress.)
My 1200 Sport was flawless on this trip. As was Tom's 650 V Strom. I don't recall one time that the fact my bike had nearly 2x the displacement, as well as a hp advantage, put Tom at a disadvantage. That damned Strom seemed to be a perfect bike for this cross country journey.
Though small(er) in displacement, the V Strom appears to be a large bike, with plenty of room for someone over 6 feet tall to move around.
Bob
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The Strom has 65-70hp, has a 280 mile tank range, is super comfortable, has good weather protection(once you add a Madstad bracket), has one of the most reliable engines ever made and has a huge aftermarket. It is the Honda Civic or Toyota Camry of dual sport motorcycles. They’re very easy to live with.
Skip the skid plate. They’re just loud and make changing the oil a hassle. You don’t need one to cruise dirt roads. Get some Givi or Hepco Becker crash guards instead. You’re more liable to flop the bike on its side in a campground than you are to center punch a foot high boulder in the middle of a gravel road.
Definitely sign up at Stromtrooper. You’ll learn a ton as well as getting in on things like a Terry Adcox group buy for custom seats. Nice members in that forum and they’re serious riders who put on a ton of miles.
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A certain adventure riding forum is chock-full of very happy Wee-Strom riders...it's a solid traveling companion. :bow:
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Thousands of people use the Wee-Strom for touring all over the world at any weight and under any conditions.
I've ridden one a ways, and I wouldn't hesitate to ride it anywhere ...
Lannis
Agree 100% with Lannis on the V-Strom... :thumb: :cool:
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I think you could ride that bike comfortably to the moon.
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I went to see my AHRMA trials buddy and 'Zuki/Triumph shop owner Randy Lusk to buy a wee-strom in2006. He put me on a wee, and said "but you have to ride a tiger when you get back" I still have the Tigger. The triple 955 and it's linear power delivery and top end made it a no-brainer for me.
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Yep - I think so. Great bike!
https://advrider.com/f/threads/avoiding-canadas-winter-february-riding-in-the-uk-now-complete.1288030/ (https://advrider.com/f/threads/avoiding-canadas-winter-february-riding-in-the-uk-now-complete.1288030/)
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https://advrider.com/f/threads/2014-suzuki-dl650a-v-strom-ks.1352640/
Here you go.
not in your price range but....
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I hope my riding buddy, Tom, (Grebmrof) responds. We headed West in 2011, me on my 2008 MG Sport 1200, Tom on his V Strom 650. Both of us were equipped with panniers and rear racks, and were carrying standard camping gear (tent, sleeping bag, air mattress.)
My 1200 Sport was flawless on this trip. As was Tom's 650 V Strom. I don't recall one time that the fact my bike had nearly 2x the displacement, as well as a hp advantage, put Tom at a disadvantage. That damned Strom seemed to be a perfect bike for this cross country journey.
Though small(er) in displacement, the V Strom appears to be a large bike, with plenty of room for someone over 6 feet tall to move around.
Bob
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Wow, thanks for this response Bob! You guys were loaded to the hilt! Sounds like the little Storm is the " Little Engine That Could" the bikes remind me of the trip I made a few years ago across the Jefferson National Forest, with my horse and dog packed to the max.
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The Strom has 65-70hp, has a 280 mile tank range, is super comfortable, has good weather protection(once you add a Madstad bracket), has one of the most reliable engines ever made and has a huge aftermarket. It is the Honda Civic or Toyota Camry of dual sport motorcycles. They’re very easy to live with.
Skip the skid plate. They’re just loud and make changing the oil a hassle. You don’t need one to cruise dirt roads. Get some Givi or Hepco Becker crash guards instead. You’re more liable to flop the bike on its side in a campground than you are to center punch a foot high boulder in the middle of a gravel road.
Definitely sign up at Stromtrooper. You’ll learn a ton as well as getting in on things like a Terry Adcox group buy for custom seats. Nice members in that forum and they’re serious riders who put on a ton of miles.
Good review John, thanks for the great info!! Hope to see this year!
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Touring yes.
Did Wollongong to Darwin, Australia 5000kms two up no issues.
Stock everything 2013 model.
Fuel consumption awesome below 130kms.
Off road as in dirt trails, forest roads good.
Single line and KTM stuff leave it at home.
Great bike, seat good,riding position good, I still can not get over how good it is for it's size.
Harry
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The Stormtrooper rally is in May over at Iron Horse. Show up there and you will meet some serious Wee fans. In the end most of the people who go away from the Wee do so because there's just not enough problems and stuff to obsess about!
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Having toured on a DL650 and DR650. I don't consider the DL650 an off-road bike. Maybe groomed fire roads but the heft at around 500lbs is something that is no fun once off pavement. I've ridden the DR650 in some really good duel sport events and its okay on c-class single track the weight begins to be really noticeable. Its a blast on fire roads but that gets boring pretty quick.
I had the DR fitted with a 5.3 gallon fuel tank to get me 240+ mile range, Seat Concepts Commuter seat, reworked the forks/shock for my weight added pelican 1550 panniers and it never let me down. It'll cruise at 80mph all day and is light and flickable in the twisties.
The DL has a lot better power output but is not fast at all nor does it have a bunch of get up and go, Riding with people 2 up on a well used BMW 800 they could walk away from me on the DL riding solo on the straights.
If you ride with buddies it nice if everyone is on similar bikes so you can run together. If your buddy has a 250 pound KTM and you on a 600 pound KLR nobody has fun. Same if yuor on a Grom and touring with a group of Hyabusas. Just too differetn to be fun.
I replaced the DL650 with a R1200GS that is similar in weight 40 more HP and better...well everything at a sacrifice of 2 MPG. Right before I bought the BMW I rode the DL some big days 12/14 hours n th esadlle 700+ mile days and thought it was dialed into what I wanted. I bought the BMW took it for a 9 mile ride got home hopped on the DL and it felt like cheap i'll fitting piece of junk. Even the brakes sucked. I have had up to 8 bikes and never felt a such a dramatic difference hopping from one bike to the next. While the DL is a fine bike and is bulletproof, inexpensive and have a big following. My 1st will most likely be my last. DR's on the other hand I've owned 3 and still have one with a sidecar on it for the pup.
Of course a DL feels cheap compared to a GS1200. The BMW costs more than twice as much. That’s like saying a Toyota Yaris isn’t as nice as a BMW 5 series sedan. As for comparing the Strom to the BMW GS800...the 800 costs $5,000 more. I should hope it had a little more oomph for that much money. It’s about 15hp, by the way.
I always find it amusing when owners of BMW’s and KTM’s point out the shortcomings of the V-Strom compared to their much more expensive machines. They see the bike as inferior. I see the bike as punching well above its’ weight and the fact it can even be put in the same conversation as a $20k bike is a tribute to what a great platform it is and has been for over a decade.
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I owned a DL1000. The 650 weighs 60lbs less, gets much better mileage and has the same ergonomics. I do a fair amount of high speed, two up riding so I chose the 1000. If you buy either Strom you will need a Madstad bracket. There are a half dozen shields you can choose from if the stock one doesn’t work. I had a large, tinted Cee Bailey. Inch up and inch back bar risers are cheap from multiple sources. I had Givi crashguards. They’re a nice place to stretch your legs on or to mount auxiliary lights. The older ones like mine benefit from a fork brace. The brakes aren’t great. I installed Galfer HH pads and steel braided lines. The brakes still weren’t great but they were better. Something to consider(depending on your riding style) is that a large screen might not work well, aerodynamically, with a top case. I could adjust my Madstad so I was in a quiet pocket of air at 80mph but if the top case was on the bike it would begin to weave above 90. Removing the top case or having a passenger completely eliminated the weave. The speedometers are notoriously inaccurate. They all read high by 10-11%. I used a Speedohealer. If you have handguards some of the throttle locks aren’t ideal. I used Throttlemeisters but they’re expensive.
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-I was thinking about adding a second bike, possibly a duel sport bike.
-I've been looking at is the Suzuki Storm 650.
OK. mixed messages in your post.
First, a Suzuki Vstrom IS NOT a dual sport bike (See DR650 for that). It's not even an ADVbike, unless beaucoup dinero is poured into the project. And then it's still not a very good ADVbike. Endless reading on the subject over at ADVrider.com/forums. Heavy for its displacement. Wind management issues. Crappy stock suspension. Etc, etc...
If you're wanting to tour on a bike that can comfortably go off-pavement, then there are many better choices out there in the mid-sized ADV segment: Tiger 800, F800GS, F650GSA, KLR650, etc., etc..
If you're just wanting a middle-weight standard touring bike that you can pick up for next to nothing on the used market, then maybe the WeeStrom will fill your bill. But, don't do it thinking it's a "dual sport bike".
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I just bought this for a similar reason. I want to be able to go down gravel and dirt roads when I am out in the country. No desire for any serious off-roading. Didn't have anything in the stable that would comfortably do that.
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DR650s are a bit challenging for those of us that are inseam challenged.
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or you could think about a Versys 650
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or you could think about a Versys 650
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Hey Kevin, where'd you get the Push Mtn Sticker? I want one too : ) (will ride for stickers)
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Hey Kevin, where'd you get the Push Mtn Sticker? I want one too : ) (will ride for stickers)
Alas, no more of those. There was a rider on the sport bike forum with a bit of artistic talent and access to the right equipment - but he is long gone.
I still have a couple little-teeny 3/4" square Push Mountain stickers if you want.
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Alas, no more of those. There was a rider on the sport bike forum with a bit of artistic talent and access to the right equipment - but he is long gone.
I still have a couple little-teeny 3/4" square Push Mountain stickers if you want.
I *need* one for my Tiger bags, if you could part with one, that would be awesome! I'll PM you my address and fix you an old fashion at Cedar Vale : ) :boozing: THANKS!!
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I just bought this for a similar reason. I want to be able to go down gravel and dirt roads when I am out in the country. No desire for any serious off-roading. Didn't have anything in the stable that would comfortably do that.
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Those are cool. Saw them at the local BMW dealer, recently. :thumb:
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OK. mixed messages in your post.
First, a Suzuki Vstrom IS NOT a dual sport bike (See DR650 for that). It's not even an ADVbike, unless beaucoup dinero is poured into the project. And then it's still not a very good ADVbike. Endless reading on the subject over at ADVrider.com/forums. Heavy for its displacement. Wind management issues. Crappy stock suspension. Etc, etc...
If you're wanting to tour on a bike that can comfortably go off-pavement, then there are many better choices out there in the mid-sized ADV segment: Tiger 800, F800GS, F650GSA, KLR650, etc., etc..
If you're just wanting a middle-weight standard touring bike that you can pick up for next to nothing on the used market, then maybe the WeeStrom will fill your bill. But, don't do it thinking it's a "dual sport bike".
Well thanks for the correction on the identification of a duel sport bike;) but I consider a bike like the Storm, a bike that could handle mild off pavement application, a "dual sport" as Suzuki advertising classifies it as. I realize there are no doubt much better "duel sport " rides out there but in the price range I'm looking at the Storm looks pretty darn good. Thanks for the response my friend:)
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I bought a new 2017 V-Strom 650, they had some great pricing, it was ~$7400 OTD with tags, DMV fees, tax, etc. I consider that a great price for a new and wonderful bike.
I put on the Givi Airflow screen and really like it ... the top part is adjustable, 2 clamps, you flip those one way, slide it to where you like, push clamps back down ... not an electronic on-the-fly adjustment, but very easy.
For pure touring, it is awesome on backroads ... and it will easily run 75-80mph on interstate, but I'd pick another bike if I planned to do a lot of high speed stuff. I had a ST1300 and at 90 mph it was just loafing along in pure comfort.
For the offroad part, I really see very little reason the v-strom would be good offroad. It really is a street moto with some adventure styling. Seems it would be about the same as taking the SV-650 down a dirt road. I think that is why the ADV Rider crowd says the suspension is bad ... they try to ride it like a KTM 990 Adventure and get surprised that the V-Strom suspension can't do that.
But ... on bumpy pavement, back roads that twist and dip, etc, the suspension is great. It also has some sort of "it is better than all its parts" ... like everything works so well together. With the large tank and awesome gas mileage and comfortable ergonomics it is very easy to ride for long hours.
If I wanted a more dirt road bike ... not sure what I'd get. I've spent time on the BMW 800gs (and own a F800GT), and that motor is very buzzy/vibey, and they cost a lot more than a V-Strom, and they really aren't that great off road. I actually think I'd pick up a used and not abused KTM 990 Adventure. Those bikes feel a wee bit heavier than the V-Strom 650, are awesome on dirt roads, and with comparable tires they are probably a better street bike than the V-Strom 650. One negative is many of them get 30-35 mpg. Another is oil changes are a pain!
So if I planned to ride a mile or two down a dirt road to get to a campsite, sure V-Strom 650. But if I planned to take a multi day ride and make many dirt road trips over mountains (like in Colorado), I'd go KTM 990 Adventure.
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I bought a new 2017 V-Strom 650, they had some great pricing, it was ~$7400 OTD with tags, DMV fees, tax, etc. I consider that a great price for a new and wonderful bike.
I put on the Givi Airflow screen and really like it ... the top part is adjustable, 2 clamps, you flip those one way, slide it to where you like, push clamps back down ... not an electronic on-the-fly adjustment, but very easy.
For pure touring, it is awesome on backroads ... and it will easily run 75-80mph on interstate, but I'd pick another bike if I planned to do a lot of high speed stuff. I had a ST1300 and at 90 mph it was just loafing along in pure comfort.
For the offroad part, I really see very little reason the v-strom would be good offroad. It really is a street moto with some adventure styling. Seems it would be about the same as taking the SV-650 down a dirt road. I think that is why the ADV Rider crowd says the suspension is bad ... they try to ride it like a KTM 990 Adventure and get surprised that the V-Strom suspension can't do that.
But ... on bumpy pavement, back roads that twist and dip, etc, the suspension is great. It also has some sort of "it is better than all its parts" ... like everything works so well together. With the large tank and awesome gas mileage and comfortable ergonomics it is very easy to ride for long hours.
If I wanted a more dirt road bike ... not sure what I'd get. I've spent time on the BMW 800gs (and own a F800GT), and that motor is very buzzy/vibey, and they cost a lot more than a V-Strom, and they really aren't that great off road. I actually think I'd pick up a used and not abused KTM 990 Adventure. Those bikes feel a wee bit heavier than the V-Strom 650, are awesome on dirt roads, and with comparable tires they are probably a better street bike than the V-Strom 650. One negative is many of them get 30-35 mpg. Another is oil changes are a pain!
So if I planned to ride a mile or two down a dirt road to get to a campsite, sure V-Strom 650. But if I planned to take a multi day ride and make many dirt road trips over mountains (like in Colorado), I'd go KTM 990 Adventure.
Very objective evaluation on the bike and self experience makes it valuable to ones decision to own one.
My off road woukd be limited to an occasional state maintain dirt road running through the mountains and not much more. From what I'm hearing from most of these guys the V-STROM woukd satisfie that need and they can be bought cheap for a second bike for around town and occasional light to moderate touring when properly equipped. Thanks for the response!
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For one up riding any 650 will do just fine for touring.
I have put on over 30,000 miles on my KLR 650 one up, about 1/3 of that gravel / dirt roads. Just finished a 3000 mile round trip of the Baja and been three times to the arctic circle and the arctic ocean. Properly set, up I find the KLR 650 as comfortable as my two up long range hauler BMW 1600GTL. The only reason I bought the big BMW was for two up comfort riding for my wife as she really likes the high stepped passenger seat and the comfort of the GTL has.
My longest ride was 1025 miles in a day from the California coast to Phoenix a couple years ago averaging 65 mph. For dirt and gravel I don't want a big heavy 'adventure' bike with that front fender hugging the front tire and so-so range. I also don't want a 500 ~ 600 lb beast in the mud or gravel loaded up with another 300 lbs of rider and gear. I saw more big heavy KTM and BMW adventure bikes stuck in the mud in the arctic last year than I could count. If ones adventure is limited to pavement or packed gravel then the jumbo BMW and KTM are fine.
If you are going to stay with gravel and dirt and don't plan on climbing the rock Jeep trails of Colorado then the V-Strom is excellent.
I wish someone would make an under 400 pound adventure bike with about 65 hp and capable of 80 mph highway cruising (admittedly the KLR can cruise at 80 with a 16T front sprocket) a range of 300 miles, a 21 inch front tire with a dirt bike type front fender, fuel injection, decent ground clearance, 8" suspension travel, and a decent seat.
Kawasaki / Suzuki / Yamaha / Honda are you listening?
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OK. mixed messages in your post.
First, a Suzuki Vstrom IS NOT a dual sport bike (See DR650 for that). It's not even an ADVbike, unless beaucoup dinero is poured into the project. And then it's still not a very good ADVbike. Endless reading on the subject over at ADVrider.com/forums. Heavy for its displacement. Wind management issues. Crappy stock suspension. Etc, etc...
If you're wanting to tour on a bike that can comfortably go off-pavement, then there are many better choices out there in the mid-sized ADV segment: Tiger 800, F800GS, F650GSA, KLR650, etc., etc..
If you're just wanting a middle-weight standard touring bike that you can pick up for next to nothing on the used market, then maybe the WeeStrom will fill your bill. But, don't do it thinking it's a "dual sport bike".
Whether a bike is “good” or not depends entirely on your priorities. If one of your top priorities is dealer support then any Guzzi is a piss poor bike. If traveling as cheap as possible is a priority a used KLR650 is a great bike. If you GAVE me a KTM I’d sell it and buy something with longer maintenance intervals and better reliability because the level of performance the KTM is capable has no value for me. It might for you though. Your priority might be out right performance in which case the financial investment isn’t important and a Multistrada might be a “good” ADV bike.
People get entirely too pedantic about motorcycle definitions. Dual sport means it can leave pavement. To which extent the bias between dirt and pavement performance is weighted is immaterial. A V-Strom has a 19” front wheel and slightly more suspension travel. It’s both a dual sport and an ADV bike. You throw the two terms around like there’s a strict definition for each. There isn’t. A Honda CT90 can be dual sport. It can be an ADVbike and so can a Multistrada.
Dan wants to venture off pavement. As has been discussed eleventy billion times, you don’t need a foot of suspension travel and the contents of the entire Touratech catalog on your bike to do it. Nor do you need a high viz twatsuit or Ohlin’s or 15 different GPS and SPOT barnacles dangling off your handlebars. There are a lot of Walter Mitty types who talk about needing that crap. You don’t. You need nothing other than some judgement and to ride within your own limitations. Try telling Nick his Eldorado is a crappy bike on gravel and that he shouldn’t have ridden the Trans Taiga on it.
Nearly half of all the roads in the US are unpaved. Having a bike with some dirt capabilities(like wheel sizes that accept tires good on gravel) is pretty great regardless of whether it’s orange, has a roundel on the tank or costs 20k. North America is a big, beautiful place to explore and everyone should do it if they have a chance no matter what bike they do it on.
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Whether a bike is “good” or not depends entirely on your priorities. If one of your top priorities is dealer support then any Guzzi is a piss poor bike. If traveling as cheap as possible is a priority a used KLR650 is a great bike. If you GAVE me a KTM I’d sell it and buy something with longer maintenance intervals and better reliability because the level of performance the KTM is capable has no value for me. It might for you though. Your priority might be out right performance in which case the financial investment isn’t important and a Multistrada might be a “good” ADV bike.
People get entirely too pedantic about motorcycle definitions. Dual sport means it can leave pavement. To which extent the bias between dirt and pavement performance is weighted is immaterial. A V-Strom has a 19” front wheel and slightly more suspension travel. It’s both a dual sport and an ADV bike. You throw the two terms around like there’s a strict definition for each. There isn’t. A Honda CT90 can be dual sport. It can be an ADVbike and so can a Multistrada.
Dan wants to venture off pavement. As has been discussed eleventy billion times, you don’t need a foot of suspension travel and the contents of the entire Touratech catalog on your bike to do it. Nor do you need a high viz twatsuit or Ohlin’s or 15 different GPS and SPOT barnacles dangling off your handlebars. There are a lot of Walter Mitty types who talk about needing that crap. You don’t. You need nothing other than some judgement and to ride within your own limitations. Try telling Nick his Eldorado is a crappy bike on gravel and that he shouldn’t have ridden the Trans Taiga on it.
Nearly half of all the roads in the US are unpaved. Having a bike with some dirt capabilities(like wheel sizes that accept tires good on gravel) is pretty great regardless of whether it’s orange, has a roundel on the tank or costs 20k. North America is a big, beautiful place to explore and everyone should do it if they have a chance no matter what bike they do it on.
Well spoken John Boy, well spoken 👍
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Whether a bike is “good” or not depends entirely on your priorities. If one of your top priorities is dealer support then any Guzzi is a piss poor bike. If traveling as cheap as possible is a priority a used KLR650 is a great bike. If you GAVE me a KTM I’d sell it and buy something with longer maintenance intervals and better reliability because the level of performance the KTM is capable has no value for me. It might for you though. Your priority might be out right performance in which case the financial investment isn’t important and a Multistrada might be a “good” ADV bike.
People get entirely too pedantic about motorcycle definitions. Dual sport means it can leave pavement. To which extent the bias between dirt and pavement performance is weighted is immaterial. A V-Strom has a 19” front wheel and slightly more suspension travel. It’s both a dual sport and an ADV bike. You throw the two terms around like there’s a strict definition for each. There isn’t. A Honda CT90 can be dual sport. It can be an ADVbike and so can a Multistrada.
Dan wants to venture off pavement. As has been discussed eleventy billion times, you don’t need a foot of suspension travel and the contents of the entire Touratech catalog on your bike to do it. Nor do you need a high viz twatsuit or Ohlin’s or 15 different GPS and SPOT barnacles dangling off your handlebars. There are a lot of Walter Mitty types who talk about needing that crap. You don’t. You need nothing other than some judgement and to ride within your own limitations. Try telling Nick his Eldorado is a crappy bike on gravel and that he shouldn’t have ridden the Trans Taiga on it.
Nearly half of all the roads in the US are unpaved. Having a bike with some dirt capabilities(like wheel sizes that accept tires good on gravel) is pretty great regardless of whether it’s orange, has a roundel on the tank or costs 20k. North America is a big, beautiful place to explore and everyone should do it if they have a chance no matter what bike they do it on.
John,
If you can have your definitions of what "is" and "is not", so can I...
The Weestrom is a streetbike with some ADVstyling. It's not a dual sport and was never intended as such. You're not going to change my mind, so we can agree to disagree.
A simple perusal of the ADVrider forums will show our friend Ncdan that touring off pavement is done profusely by the self proclaimed Stromtroopers. It's a cult bike. Hey, everyone has to have their thing. It would never be my thing, as there are much better tools out there. Personally, if I was shopping for a cheap used touring bike that could go off pavement, I'd shop for a low-miles Girlie Tiger. Cheap and super-capable.
(http://moto.zombdrive.com/images1600_/triumph-tiger-900-1999-6.jpg)
I hope Dan enjoys his Weestrom.
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Of course a DL feels cheap compared to a GS1200. The BMW costs more than twice as much. That’s like saying a Toyota Yaris isn’t as nice as a BMW 5 series sedan. As for comparing the Strom to the BMW GS800...the 800 costs $5,000 more. I should hope it had a little more oomph for that much money. It’s about 15hp, by the way.
I always find it amusing when owners of BMW’s and KTM’s point out the shortcomings of the V-Strom compared to their much more expensive machines. They see the bike as inferior. I see the bike as punching well above its’ weight and the fact it can even be put in the same conversation as a $20k bike is a tribute to what a great platform it is and has been for over a decade.
Both bikes I bought used a little over a year apart. Both in stock trim. The BMW had 11,000 miles factory Varios handguards a windscreen that works, bars that are comfortable and is 6 years older than the DL and cost $2,000 more than the DL. The DL had 5,000 miles on it and I added about $1,200 to it to make it comfortable and suited for traveling. Pelican 1550's, HT pannier racks, Sargent Seat, Several wind screens, Center Stand, hand guards, bar risers, handlebars all stuff the BMW didn't need. I also have more electrical output than on that 3 letter swear word so unlike the DL running more than one heated jacket is possible.
I get it the DL is a bit of a blank slate as is the DR650 and are on the surface inexpensive. But start adding up all the stuff to make is what you ned and the lines blur a bit.
Is the 6 year older BMW a higher spec bike? Yes, by a long shot. Was it significantly more expensive? Not, by a long shot. So in all actuallity the best bang for my buck is the BMW. Its just a better mouse trap and not a whole lot more money.
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I get it the DL is a bit of a blank slate as is the DR650 and are on the surface inexpensive. But start adding up all the stuff to make is what you need and the lines blur a bit.
A close riding buddy went all-in WeeStrom freak a dozen years ago. In the end, this is the conclusion he came to.
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Or, heaven forbid, especially after all the bad press it's gotten here, you can run over to Greensboro and pick up a brand new 2019 Himalayan for $5300, out the door. Add pannier racks for $100, some good waterproof soft bags for $200 more, and for $5600 you're ready to go. It handles off road riding great, weighs 401 lbs, gets 60+ mpg, and parts are readily available, cheap. The big limitation is that it'll only run to 70 mph comfortably, above that it gets buzzy, and is out of steam by 80 mph. If you really want to bang along the freeway at 80 it's not for you, but if 55-60 mph backroads with some dirt thrown in are your thing, it's about perfect, and a helluva deal.
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I bought a new V-Strom DL650A in 2012. It has been a great urban commuter (work ride) for me. I'm satisfied with the brakes, suspension, overall performance, fuel economy, reliability, cost of ownership, etc. Through the years it has been on several trips. In 2017, I rode the Strom from Cleveland to the BMW National in Salt Lake City with 8 friends who rode GS's and one Stelvio. Over the course of the trip we rode the Shafer Trail, Burr Trail, Hell's Backbone and Valley of the Gods to name a few. The Strom had no problem keeping up with the junk that was twice its displacement, cost & substantially poorer fuel economy. The Strom and I have another cross country trip later this year. So, for me, the Wee Strom has worked out just fine for my city, highway & trail adventures. I think I saw a post here where someone got one for under $8K out the door....hey, good for you, you win, you got a great bike!.
OK, I do have a complaint, after years of shaft drive bikes, I have concluded that I really hate chain maintenance (lube) every 500 miles. During a trip, I'm doing it every day. It isn't a problem for most folks because they don't mind getting chain lube over everything (chain, sprockets, tire, wheel, swing arm, hands , pants, etc. And, you can't take a trip with one of those small 6oz chain lube spray cans, you'll run out after the 4th or 5th day. I'm hoping the the new v85TT is all that and more.
Oh, ya, the Wee Strom is touring capable IMHO but then anything is if you want it to be.
(https://i.ibb.co/ThYCfPm/47a7cf03b3127cce9854d79ef58b00000018100-AZs-WTNk3ct-GPA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ThYCfPm)
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I bought a new V-Strom DL650A in 2012. It has been a great urban commuter (work ride) for me. I'm satisfied with the brakes, suspension, overall performance, fuel economy, reliability, cost of ownership, etc. Through the years it has been on several trips. In 2017, I rode the Strom from Cleveland to the BMW National in Salt Lake City with 8 friends who rode GS's and one Stelvio. Over the course of the trip we rode the Shafer Trail, Burr Trail, Hell's Backbone and Valley of the Gods to name a few. The Strom had no problem keeping up with the junk that was twice its displacement, cost & substantially poorer fuel economy. The Strom and I have another cross country trip later this year. So, for me, the Wee Strom has worked out just fine for my city, highway & trail adventures. I think I saw a post here where someone got one for under $8K out the door....hey, good for you, you win, you got a great bike!.
OK, I do have a complaint, after years of shaft drive bikes, I have concluded that I really hate chain maintenance (lube) every 500 miles. During a trip, I'm doing it every day. It isn't a problem for most folks because they don't mind getting chain lube over everything (chain, sprockets, tire, wheel, swing arm, hands , pants, etc. And, you can't take a trip with one of those small 6oz chain lube spray cans, you'll run out after the 4th or 5th day. I'm hoping the the new v85TT is all that and more.
Oh, ya, the Wee Strom is touring capable IMHO but then anything is if you want it to be.
(https://i.ibb.co/ThYCfPm/47a7cf03b3127cce9854d79ef58b00000018100-AZs-WTNk3ct-GPA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ThYCfPm)
I agree with the chain thing. However it was my understanding that in recent times the O ring chains require a minimal amount of maintenance and that the modern chain lubes which spray thick sticky lube is much cleaner than oiling a chain use to be ???
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https://advrider.com/f/threads/2014-suzuki-dl650a-v-strom-ks.1352640/
Here you go.
not in your price range but....
That's a lot of extras that would be really nice!!!!
It's just a long way from NC
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The chain thing is a non thing if you add a Scott Oiler. Every 600 to 1,000 miles top up the reservoir with 2 or 3 ounces of ATF and ride until you puke. Chain and sprockets last easily 3+ times as long with very few adjustments in between. In the 10,000+ miles I had a Scott on my DL the chain was cleaner than new and never needed adjusted. Sprockets also looked new.
If you add up the time to top up the reservoir, make a few chain adjustments and change out the chain and sprocket ever 40 or 50,000 miles its no more than cleaning, checking, lubing splines and changing rear drive oil.
Modern chain and continuous oilers are a combo for a long relative maintenance free relationship.
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The chain thing is a non thing if you add a Scott Oiler. Every 600 to 1,000 miles top up the reservoir with 2 or 3 ounces of ATF and ride until you puke. Chain and sprockets last easily 3+ times as long with very few adjustments in between. In the 10,000+ miles I had a Scott on my DL the chain was cleaner than new and never needed adjusted. Sprockets also looked new.
If you add up the time to top up the reservoir, make a few chain adjustments and change out the chain and sprocket ever 40 or 50,000 miles its no more than cleaning, checking, lubing splines and changing rear drive oil.
Modern chain and continuous oilers are a combo for a long relative maintenance free relationship.
Thanks for that information, great to know and would be a must for me if I owned one!
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That's a little high for a 2014 model, with 23K miles.
Sign up at Stromtroopers, you can find some real deals there sometimes, especially at this time of year.
https://www.stromtrooper.com/
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Or, heaven forbid, especially after all the bad press it's gotten here, you can run over to Greensboro and pick up a brand new 2019 Himalayan for $5300, out the door. Add pannier racks for $100, some good waterproof soft bags for $200 more, and for $5600 you're ready to go. It handles off road riding great, weighs 401 lbs, gets 60+ mpg, and parts are readily available, cheap. The big limitation is that it'll only run to 70 mph comfortably, above that it gets buzzy, and is out of steam by 80 mph. If you really want to bang along the freeway at 80 it's not for you, but if 55-60 mph backroads with some dirt thrown in are your thing, it's about perfect, and a helluva deal.
Not so sure the 70 MPH cruise speed is the Himalayan's big limitation. Failed frames, questionable reliability come to mind as bigger limitations. If these bikes are so great wonder why the streets aren't polluted with these $5,600 gems?
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Not so sure the 70 MPH cruise speed is the Himalayan's big limitation. Failed frames, questionable reliability come to mind as bigger limitations. If these bikes are so great wonder why the streets aren't polluted with these $5,600 gems?
They just came to the US in 2018, and Royal Enfield's past reputation for poor quality control has a lot of people waiting and watching. Most of the problems we read about were the Gen 3 bikes, carburated, and sold in India. RE is serious about moving into N. America, and is aiming to add 5 dealerships per month. As it is now, all bikes coming into the US are shipped straight to a facility in Texas, where they're gone over with a fine toothed comb before go out to dealers, where they're prepped again before sale.
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That's a little high for a 2014 model, with 23K miles.
Sign up at Stromtroopers, you can find some real deals there sometimes, especially at this time of year.
https://www.stromtrooper.com/
That a lot high. DL650 have resale values that make Guzzi's seem like a fortune 500 investment. Once DL or any motorcycle hits 10,000 miles the unknowing think they are worn out. A DL with 23K on the ODO to the know is just broken in but to the masses no one will even look at it.
My 2012 DL I put back to stock and with 19,000 miles on the ODO and very clean needing nothing I listed it f/s for $3,500 and was willing to take any offer above $3,000. On ADV Rider probably 30 people replied this is a great deal, if I only had had space, if you were closer blah blah blah. The phone didn't ring off the hook heck I didn't even get CL spammers. Finally after 2 weeks I got a call from a serious buyer and we made a deal. Sure I could have listed for $4,500 or $5,000 like most Dl sellers do but I actually wanted to sell he bike and had realistic expectations.
The seller of the 23K DL650 hopefully has a lot of wiggle room because if he really wants to sell it in this lifetime he should be willing to accept any offer over $4,000.
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They just came to the US in 2018, and Royal Enfield's past reputation for poor quality control has a lot of people waiting and watching. Most of the problems we read about were the Gen 3 bikes, carburated, and sold in India. RE is serious about moving into N. America, and is aiming to add 5 dealerships per month. As it is now, all bikes coming into the US are shipped straight to a facility in Texas, where they're gone over with a fine toothed comb before go out to dealers, where they're prepped again before sale.
I've owned modern RE's. I like RE's and will someday probably own another RE. With that A fine tooth comb isn't needed. A bastard rasp would suffice for the 1 thru 5th pass's.
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https://www.cscmotorcycles.com/default.asp?page=xInventoryDetail&id=6726511&p=1&s=Year&d=D&fr=xAllInventory
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https://www.cscmotorcycles.com/default.asp?page=xInventoryDetail&id=6726511&p=1&s=Year&d=D&fr=xAllInventory
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Nice bike!
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Re Suzuki 650 Vstrom, I purchased a 2018 storm, thought the power and grunt would be down after owning a 8 v Norge. Was not disappointed at all. Very good economy,about 4 litres per 100kms at 100kmh. Easy to sail thru the tight bits, Dealers in every city, quite capable of carrying a load to tour on,rear rack,handguards,even fitted Norge mirrors, True not an adventure bike as opposed to a DR 650 but has excellent road handling and comfort. A bit noisy,but a givi air flow may fix that.
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OK, I do have a complaint, after years of shaft drive bikes, I have concluded that I really hate chain maintenance (lube) every 500 miles. During a trip, I'm doing it every day. It isn't a problem for most folks because they don't mind getting chain lube over everything (chain, sprockets, tire, wheel, swing arm, hands , pants, etc. And, you can't take a trip with one of those small 6oz chain lube spray cans, you'll run out after the 4th or 5th day. I'm hoping the the new v85TT is all that and more.
Modern chains don't really require that level of maintenance. I used to abuse and neglect the chains on my Triumph. Never any troubles.
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Modern chains don't really require that level of maintenance. I used to abuse and neglect the chains on my Triumph. Never any troubles.
:thumb: overall i prefer a chain drive to a shaft and i have them both .......as far a chain lube goes a little goes a long way
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John,
If you can have your definitions of what "is" and "is not", so can I...
The Weestrom is a streetbike with some ADVstyling. It's not a dual sport and was never intended as such. You're not going to change my mind, so we can agree to disagree.
A simple perusal of the ADVrider forums will show our friend Ncdan that touring off pavement is done profusely by the self proclaimed Stromtroopers. It's a cult bike. Hey, everyone has to have their thing. It would never be my thing, as there are much better tools out there. Personally, if I was shopping for a cheap used touring bike that could go off pavement, I'd shop for a low-miles Girlie Tiger. Cheap and super-capable.
(http://moto.zombdrive.com/images1600_/triumph-tiger-900-1999-6.jpg)
I hope Dan enjoys his Weestrom.
My friend I'm afraid you have missed some information here for what ever reason. I ask the original question about the V-Strom because I am thinking about adding a much less weight bike than the 1400 tourer so I figured some type of bike that would be comfortable on some back country dirt tobacco roads would be great along with a bike that would be capable of some moderate touring also. The main reason I'm looking at the Strom is because there are several in my area that are priced for 3-4 k. The bikes you are suggesting are no doubt probably better suited for a " duel purpose " bike, I beginning to hate that term, however they are priced 3 times more than the Suzuki and for my purpose will do no better job as I am not a professional off road ridder. At best my time spent at serious dirt ridding 40 years ago could possibly keep me upright if I encounter a rutt on a dirt road. I've not read anyone here who said the WeeSrtom as you call it is better than any bike you have mentioned. All I've heard is they are adequate at DUEL jobs. I appreciate your imput as I did ask for opinions and yours is valued as much as anyone's. I thought the subject just got sidetracked maybe due to miscommunication and I wanted verify the original thoughts. 👍
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Hi Again,
Yes, o-rings chains require minimal (internally lifetime lubed) maintenance but the exterior rollers require occasional lube to reduce wear between roller & sprocket. The automatic oiler, imo, would make things even messier.
Back to your original question.....If you can get a dl650A, 2012 or newer with low miles (less than 3-4K/year) for $3-4K, Buy it! My 2012 has 34K+ on it, it owes me nothing which is good because I couldn't get anything for it on trade. If the thing blows up on me while on a trip, my contingency plan is to find a nearby dealer that has new old stock (ya , they are out there, 2015-2018), buy another new one and continue my adventure.
You know you want it regardless of what others are saying here, just do it!
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A big factor in chain/sprocket life is passive cleaning. Chain lube is applied then wears off over the next 300 leaving les protection and dirt can stick to it. A continuous oiler add drop of oil every minute or so to the chain that gets worked all around to continually lubricate the chain. The other thing it does is as dirt sticks to the extremely lightly oiled chain it continues to build until it becomes to heavy and centrifugal force flings it free of the chain. So you have passive cleaning and no need to ever wipe down, use a brush or chemicals to physically scrub or clean the chain . It lubed and cleaned every second its moving. This also great when its raining as he chain is always protected and no more forgetting to lube you chain when you get home from riding and the chain is still warm.
2 buddies of mine went to Alaska in 2018. One on a shaft drive bike the other on a chain drive bike with a Scott Oiler. Both were amazed that even while traveling the Hall Highway the bikes were filthy mud was piled up on the swingarms but the chain looked like it was just cleaned shiny and bright.
Another thing lots of folks believe chain oilers are dirty and fling lots of oil everywhere. If they are set up wring and dripping too much oil yes they are messy. Same as over applying aerosol chain lube or glopping on gear oil. The idea is o lube the chain not drown it. If set up properly (which is easy) they are less messy than traditional arenol lubes and buy far way less expensive to operate. A quart of the cheapest ATF you can fine if about $4 an will last 20,000 miles. How long does a can of chain lube last re-applying it every 300 miles
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. A quart of the cheapest ATF you can fine if about $4 an will last 20,000 miles. How long does a can of chain lube last re-applying it every 300 miles
A 13oz. can of chain wax is $8-$10. I lube about every 500 miles, a can lasts me 5k-8k miles. The Smith Oiler is what $100-$250??!!
Hey, thanks but I ain't buying one.
NCDan...Sorry for hijacking your thread.
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I thought the subject just got sidetracked maybe due to miscommunication and I wanted verify the original thoughts. 👍
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sidetracked....here ...na never... :grin: :popcorn:
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Duel: a contest with deadly weapons arranged between two people in order to settle a point of honor.
Dual: consisting of two parts, elements, or aspects.
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A 13oz. can of chain wax is $8-$10. I lube about every 500 miles, a can lasts me 5k-8k miles. The Smith Oiler is what $100-$250??!!
Hey, thanks but I ain't buying one.
NCDan...Sorry for hijacking your thread.
No worries, we are still receiving good information regardless the of original subject. It's a learning curve:)
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John,
If you can have your definitions of what "is" and "is not", so can I...
The Weestrom is a streetbike with some ADVstyling. It's not a dual sport and was never intended as such. You're not going to change my mind, so we can agree to disagree.
A simple perusal of the ADVrider forums will show our friend Ncdan that touring off pavement is done profusely by the self proclaimed Stromtroopers. It's a cult bike. Hey, everyone has to have their thing. It would never be my thing, as there are much better tools out there. Personally, if I was shopping for a cheap used touring bike that could go off pavement, I'd shop for a low-miles Girlie Tiger. Cheap and super-capable.
(http://moto.zombdrive.com/images1600_/triumph-tiger-900-1999-6.jpg)
I hope Dan enjoys his Weestrom.
(https://i.ibb.co/WWpf7CN/COLORADO-09-054.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WWpf7CN)
Somewhat capable :laugh: This one's been from Duluth to Daytona,The Rockies, Top of Pikes Peak, Blue ridge, Smokies, All over Missouri, Arkansas and surrounding states, and did a bun burner 1500 - still goin' strong!
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A big factor in chain/sprocket life is passive cleaning. Chain lube is applied then wears off over the next 300 leaving les protection and dirt can stick to it. A continuous oiler add drop of oil every minute or so to the chain that gets worked all around to continually lubricate the chain. The other thing it does is as dirt sticks to the extremely lightly oiled chain it continues to build until it becomes to heavy and centrifugal force flings it free of the chain. So you have passive cleaning and no need to ever wipe down, use a brush or chemicals to physically scrub or clean the chain . It lubed and cleaned every second its moving. This also great when its raining as he chain is always protected and no more forgetting to lube you chain when you get home from riding and the chain is still warm.
2 buddies of mine went to Alaska in 2018. One on a shaft drive bike the other on a chain drive bike with a Scott Oiler. Both were amazed that even while traveling the Hall Highway the bikes were filthy mud was piled up on the swingarms but the chain looked like it was just cleaned shiny and bright.
Another thing lots of folks believe chain oilers are dirty and fling lots of oil everywhere. If they are set up wring and dripping too much oil yes they are messy. Same as over applying aerosol chain lube or glopping on gear oil. The idea is o lube the chain not drown it. If set up properly (which is easy) they are less messy than traditional arenol lubes and buy far way less expensive to operate. A quart of the cheapest ATF you can fine if about $4 an will last 20,000 miles. How long does a can of chain lube last re-applying it every 300 miles
+1. A Scottoiler is transformative. Compared to the benefits, the cost is trivial.
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+1. A Scottoiler is transformative. Compared to the benefits, the cost is trivial.
What is the definition of "transformative " as applying here. Asking because the Scott sounds like a great thing if a chain is in my future?
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Hey guys, just doing some research. I was thinking about adding a second bike, possibly a duel sport bike. I want one as light as possible but it must be big enough for comfortable touring, within reason, understanding it's not going to compete with a heavy touring mechine. The one,of probably many out there, I've been looking at is the Suzuki Strom 650. This bike,with larger planners, seems like a good choice and older models with low miles can be had from 3-4K can be found. What say y'all?
I'm reading Dual Sport Bike. I'm reading "Light as possible"
Then I read Suzuki V Strom 650. WTF?
The Suzuki V Strom is neither a Dual Sport bike or light. LOL!
The Suzuki V Strom is as capable off road as any UJM built in the 1970s. The Harley Road King can handle Forest Service roads and gravel and light trail work in the hands of a competent off road rider.
I thought you were going to mention the DR650, KLR 650, XR650L, maybe Tiger 800XC, 650GS. Even then, all those bikes require a rider with skill to ride off road.
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I don't get the impression than Ncdan is intending to go off-road with it. The "dual sport" thing was just an indication of the bike type. I say that because I have a "dual sport" and I'm not taking that monster off-road; it's the best road bike I have ... !
Lannis
A dual sport is very much off road capable. KLX250S, XR250L, DRZ400S, KTM250 and 450s, etc. The 650cc dual sports require some muscle off road.
This is why they came out with the moniker Adventure. Adventure bikes are road oriented but can do light duty off road in the hands of a skilled rider.
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What is the definition of "transformative " as applying here. Asking because the Scott sounds like a great thing if a chain is in my future?
Lubing a chain is a minor nuisance; cleaning it is a major PITA as far as I’m concerned, enough so that I swore I’d never buy another bike with chain final drive. Well, so much for that — I bought another one. The beauty of the Scottoiler is that it basically “transforms” the final drive into an essentially maintenance-free component. To me, that’s a big deal.
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Lubing a chain is a minor nuisance; cleaning it is a major PITA as far as I’m concerned, enough so that I swore I’d never buy another bike with chain final drive. Well, so much for that — I bought another one. The beauty of the Scottoiler is that it basically “transforms” the final drive into an essentially maintenance-free component. To me, that’s a big deal.
Ok, that sounds good and something I woukd definitely would look into if I end up with one of these types of bikes.
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Hey Dan,
Check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_QQEeW2gO4
For what I think you want to use it for, the V Strom should be a good choice. :thumb:
Good luck,
Nick
I found that on utube the other day as I had been looking at a Kaw on CL then I found this video. It helped me to make my mind up real quick between the Kaw and the V-Strom. Thanks a bunch for the response !
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A 13oz. can of chain wax is $8-$10. I lube about every 500 miles, a can lasts me 5k-8k miles. The Smith Oiler is what $100-$250??!!
Hey, thanks but I ain't buying one.
NCDan...Sorry for hijacking your thread.
Yep you got it figured out. You pay more for lube and get conservetavely 2/3rds less miliage out of a set of chain and sprockets. Hard to justify paying $175 for a "smith" oiler that makes $200 + in chain and sprockets last 2 or 3x times longer.
Penny wise and a pound foolish!
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I'm reading Dual Sport Bike. I'm reading "Light as possible"
Then I read Suzuki V Strom 650. WTF?
The Suzuki V Strom is neither a Dual Sport bike or light. LOL!
The Suzuki V Strom is as capable off road as any UJM built in the 1970s. The Harley Road King can handle Forest Service roads and gravel and light trail work in the hands of a competent off road rider.
I thought you were going to mention the DR650, KLR 650, XR650L, maybe Tiger 800XC, 650GS. Even then, all those bikes require a rider with skill to ride off road.
Wonderful post with a twist of sarcasm, now blister us with your knowledge on the subject on the initial subject on the V-Strom which was the bike I was attempting to gain info on. Thanks for the response.
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I found that on utube the other day as I had been looking at a Kaw on CL then I found this video. It helped me to make my mind up real quick between the Kaw and the V-Strom. Thanks a bunch for the response !
So, Kawasaki for the win? That was the conclusion I came up with after seeing that video. :cool:
Of course I had the KLR and the Versys. The KLR is way better off road with a set of Dunlop 90/10 606s. The Versys is an upright sport bike that has a suspension capable of soaking up the bumps.
I have run the dirt devil on the Versys, but the KLR was much better on ORV trails.
I've ridden a friends V-strom 650 and it is definitely a spacious bike. I would say it sits between the KLR and the Versys. The KLR is better on trails and the Versys is better on the twisties. I just didn't get any excitement riding the V-strom over the 100 miles I rode it. Felt like a Honda to me.
Speaking of Honda, check out the NC700X and possibly the 500X. The 700X can store a FF helmet in the fuel tank trunk.
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(https://i.ibb.co/WWpf7CN/COLORADO-09-054.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WWpf7CN)
Somewhat capable :laugh: This one's been from Duluth to Daytona,The Rockies, Top of Pikes Peak, Blue ridge, Smokies, All over Missouri, Arkansas and surrounding states, and did a bun burner 1500 - still goin' strong!
There are Harley riders that can claim the same thing. :)
There are adventure riders and their are "adventure" bikes. Adventure riders don't have to be on "adventure" bikes. Any bike that is taken on an adventure is an adventure bike, but not every "adventure" bike is taken on an adventure.
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So, Kawasaki for the win? That was the conclusion I came up with after seeing that video. :cool:
Of course I had the KLR and the Versys. The KLR is way better off road with a set of Dunlop 90/10 606s. The Versys is an upright sport bike that has a suspension capable of soaking up the bumps.
I have run the dirt devil on the Versys, but the KLR was much better on ORV trails.
I've ridden a friends V-strom 650 and it is definitely a spacious bike. I would say it sits between the KLR and the Versys. The KLR is better on trails and the Versys is better on the twisties. I just didn't get any excitement riding the V-strom over the 100 miles I rode it. Felt like a Honda to me.
Speaking of Honda, check out the NC700X and possibly the 500X. The 700X can store a FF helmet in the fuel tank trunk.
I must say after the video I would choose the V over the Kaw, sorry;)
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I must say after the video I would choose the V over the Kaw, sorry;)
I was teasing because the video is biased towards the V-strom. First, it didn't compare with the much improved '08+ KLR, and second it didn't compare with the Kawasaki Versys 650 which would be a closer competitor to a 80/20 bike.
Whenever a video has the comments locked you know many commenters screamed BS video!
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I was teasing because the video is biased towards the V-strom. First, it didn't compare with the much improved '08+ KLR, and second it didn't compare with the Kawasaki Versys 650 which would be a closer competitor to a 80/20 bike.
Whenever a video has the comments locked you know many commenters screamed BS video!
I'd say that's an accurate assessment👍
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There are Harley riders that can claim the same thing. :)
There are adventure riders and their are "adventure" bikes. Adventure riders don't have to be on "adventure" bikes. Any bike that is taken on an adventure is an adventure bike, but not every "adventure" bike is taken on an adventure.
No disagreement here : ) seems like we have to put a name on everything now days. Does rap and hip-hop really need separate names??
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When I first saw the title to this thread, I thought, "Yes. It all depends on how badly you want to go with what you have." :smiley:
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Are you telling me the Griso is not a dual sport?
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Are you telling me the Griso is not a dual sport?
(https://image.ibb.co/dtKqgV/IMG-0398.jpg)
If that bike can get up there then it has earned the right to be called anything it wants to be called:) 👍
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Lubing a chain is a minor nuisance; cleaning it is a major PITA as far as I’m concerned, enough so that I swore I’d never buy another bike with chain final drive. Well, so much for that — I bought another one. The beauty of the Scottoiler is that it basically “transforms” the final drive into an essentially maintenance-free component. To me, that’s a big deal.
This is 100% accurate. All you need to do it top up the reservoir every 600 to 1000 miles and ride. During 3 day weekend rides of 1,500 + miles I'd top off the reservoir before I left and then carry a 3 ounce bottle with a pointed nozzle filled with ATF and never come close to using it all. For pointed bottles look at tie-dye kits in the craft section at WalMart. The bottles have a powdered dye in the and are $1.97. Dump the dye out and you have a convenient way to carry ATF.
When traveling for a week + I'd bring a couple of repurposed 5 hour energy bottle filled with ATF as backup.
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Hey guys, just doing some research. I was thinking about adding a second bike, possibly a duel sport bike. I want one as light as possible but it must be big enough for comfortable touring, within reason, understanding it's not going to compete with a heavy touring mechine. The one,of probably many out there, I've been looking at is the Suzuki Strom 650. This bike,with larger planners, seems like a good choice and older models with low miles can be had from 3-4K can be found. What say y'all?
The WeeStrom is an outstanding bike in its class, but it's NOT a dual-sport. My other mount is a DR650, which IS a dual-sport. I ride long distances regularly with 2 friends on WeeStroms. Great on bitumen, just marginal on gravel and not at all on real off-road stuff. You also stated that you wanted a light machine. The WeeStrom is 216Kg, whereas the DR is 147Kg. DRs have been around for over 20 years and still produced new, so there's something right about them. They're fantastically reliable and well capable of >150,000Km. Have look on drriders.com
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I had a V Strom for less than 6 months. It sat in the garage while I rode my V11S. I thought I would ride the ugly thing. I didnt. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the V Strom aint no beauty. Sold it and bought an R80ST.
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Well, if you're gonna tour, then ya gotta have luggage.
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KTM's off road, sure they are pro riders but big bikes can do it, just not normal riders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_cgEazJ3WQ
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KTM's off road, sure they are pro riders but big bikes can do it, just not normal riders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_cgEazJ3WQ
I'm getting me one of those big'ol KTM's so I can ride like that :bike-037: :thumb:
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Well, if you're gonna haul tires for your daughters car, then ya gotta have luggage
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Well, if you're gonna haul tires for your daughters car, then ya gotta have luggage
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HEY !
Can you stop by after work ?
I have a job that requires your unique talent
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ALSO - don't forget your bungee cords.
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I had a V-Strom for a few years, I put a lot of miles on it.
Coming off a feet-forward cruiser, the riding position was strange at first but I got used to it quite quickly and wondered why I ever went over to the dark side.
The Strom isn't hugely heavy, but it's no light-weight either. The bad part for me was that the Strom carried its weight up high, it made it a little unwieldy at low speeds.
The V-Strom is a good all-around motorcycle. I liked the riding position and used it to ride in a variety of different environments. The 19" front wheel really gave it a leg up for rough surfaces, when compared to the more road-going 17" fronts.
I crashed mine a few times trying to treat it like an offroader. The bike is probably capable but I was not.
I sold my V-Strom to buy my 1200 Sport. The 1200 does everything better for me as long as I stay on the pavement.
After a while I got the dirt itch and bought a KTM 640 Adventure. It was a revelation for going offroad. The 21" front, relatively light weight, and huge suspension made me feel like superman. Unfortunately the reliability of the KTM was an issue and that made me feel like a full-time mechanic.
A few years ago I bought the CB500X. I wanted to get somewhat dirty again and was looking for a lightweight "Adventure" bike. The footpeg position was not great and the 17" front wheel made rough roads...rough. I did a few rides into Mexico, Baja and Copper Canyon, before I decided this just wasn't for me.
Last year I decided to give it another shot. I had some specific desires this time; front wheel bigger than 17", fuel injection, light weight, and fit in my budget. I test rode a few bikes, the RE Himalayan, Honda CRF250L Rally, and Kawasaki Versys-X.
I really liked the Himalayan, I was ready to be an owner. I understood the shortcomings and was okay with them as this bike did everything I wanted. But when I actually looked at my budget I realized that a new bike, no matter how inexpensive was out of the question.
I really wanted to like the Rally. A local dealer had one that they priced right at the top of my budget. I was going to buy, but then I rode it. Perhaps it was the test ride they provided, which involved following another rider on crowded surface streets, but the engine was totally uninspiring and doggy. It didn't help that the dealership was staffed by people I ended up not wanting to have to interact with.
The last bike was the Versys-X. Relatively light weight at under 400lb, it's a full-sized motorcycle even if it's only 300cc. It has the Most HP of any of the bikes I was looking at (38!) and will do highway speeds, topping out around 100mph.
The Versys-X uses the engine of the Ninja 300, so it revs to the moon. At highways speeds, around 80mph, the engine's turning at about 10k rpm. I put in earplugs as it just doesn't seem right to spin the engine that high.
Next week I have a trip planned down into Baja. I expect all will be fine.
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I have owned 2 650 V-Stroms, and found them perfectly adequate for all sorts of paved-road touring, grocery getting, graded/groomed off-road, and even a bit of riding at a spirited pace. I know a guy who uses one for on-racetrack riding instruction. If I were limited to only 1 do-(almost)-everything bike, a V-Strom 650 would be on my short list for consideration.
I'll echo the relatively few downsides: can feel top-heavy/unwieldy at parking lot speeds, or off-road. I don't really care for all of the plastics. Some industrious folks have come up with a "thin-Strom" variant that gets rid of some of the extra bulk.
That being said, I never really bonded with either one.
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I had a V-Strom for a few years, I put a lot of miles on it.
Coming off a feet-forward cruiser, the riding position was strange at first but I got used to it quite quickly and wondered why I ever went over to the dark side.
The Strom isn't hugely heavy, but it's no light-weight either. The bad part for me was that the Strom carried its weight up high, it made it a little unwieldy at low speeds.
The V-Strom is a good all-around motorcycle. I liked the riding position and used it to ride in a variety of different environments. The 19" front wheel really gave it a leg up for rough surfaces, when compared to the more road-going 17" fronts.
I crashed mine a few times trying to treat it like an offroader. The bike is probably capable but I was not.
I sold my V-Strom to buy my 1200 Sport. The 1200 does everything better for me as long as I stay on the pavement.
After a while I got the dirt itch and bought a KTM 640 Adventure. It was a revelation for going offroad. The 21" front, relatively light weight, and huge suspension made me feel like superman. Unfortunately the reliability of the KTM was an issue and that made me feel like a full-time mechanic.
A few years ago I bought the CB500X. I wanted to get somewhat dirty again and was looking for a lightweight "Adventure" bike. The footpeg position was not great and the 17" front wheel made rough roads...rough. I did a few rides into Mexico, Baja and Copper Canyon, before I decided this just wasn't for me.
Last year I decided to give it another shot. I had some specific desires this time; front wheel bigger than 17", fuel injection, light weight, and fit in my budget. I test rode a few bikes, the RE Himalayan, Honda CRF250L Rally, and Kawasaki Versys-X.
I really liked the Himalayan, I was ready to be an owner. I understood the shortcomings and was okay with them as this bike did everything I wanted. But when I actually looked at my budget I realized that a new bike, no matter how inexpensive was out of the question.
I really wanted to like the Rally. A local dealer had one that they priced right at the top of my budget. I was going to buy, but then I rode it. Perhaps it was the test ride they provided, which involved following another rider on crowded surface streets, but the engine was totally uninspiring and doggy. It didn't help that the dealership was staffed by people I ended up not wanting to have to interact with.
The last bike was the Versys-X. Relatively light weight at under 400lb, it's a full-sized motorcycle even if it's only 300cc. It has the Most HP of any of the bikes I was looking at (38!) and will do highway speeds, topping out around 100mph.
The Versys-X uses the engine of the Ninja 300, so it revs to the moon. At highways speeds, around 80mph, the engine's turning at about 10k rpm. I put in earplugs as it just doesn't seem right to spin the engine that high.
Next week I have a trip planned down into Baja. I expect all will be fine.
Good assessments, thanks 👍
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Rand new 2017 DR 650. ... $6000.
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/mcd/d/anoka-2017-suzuki-strom-650-motorcycle/6828122385.html
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I've been down this road too. KLR's, a DR, a Wee, and now have a GS. I remember the KLR guys always talking about those who put the Versys motor in their KLRs and I agreed that would be about perfect, thought. Part of my problem is I don't go anywhere I don't have to fight 80 mph highway traffic to get to where I want to ride. The thumpers didn't have enough left when I got there and the Wee was good but not enough for the more off road parts (19" front and not enough suspension travel). The GS is too big and heavy for anything but bad gravel roads but is surprisingly good on twisty pavement. It travels well too, so it has been my camping bike, but still just to big and heavy.
Now I'm just patiently waiting for the new Tenere 700 to get here in a year and a half. Thinking that it may be in the sweet spot. I will be able to drop at least a couple bikes out of the stable if it is what is promised.
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Going to look at this one in a couple days. 07 25k miles. This one is loaded with every accessory that's been mentioned here, bags, guards, heated grips, tall shield, oiled and many others. Guy has it advertised for 4200.00. I'm not sure what the book is but there is close to 2K in add on's which are all desirable. Good deal or NO?
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Dan, I think he’s at least $700-$1,000 too high. It has accessories but Suzuki has sold tens and tens of thousands of V-Stroms and this bike is 12 years old. The add-ons I see aren’t worth $2k. I’m also not crazy about side loaded cases on an ADV bike. Top loaders are better, imho but the ones shown are decent cases, detachable and they’re large. The mounts aren’t shown but I’d look them over good if I were you. The top case is just a Pelican. They’re tough but it’s not detachable. The seat is stock. That explains why the owner has only put 2,000 miles a year on it. The rotors are replacements. At 25k I’d want to make sure all of the following were fresh; rotors(front and rear), pads, chain, sprockets, tires and a valve adjustment. I’d also check the rear shock and ask if the fork oil has been changed.
One last thing that is a personal quirk of mine and may not be the case with anyone else. I probably wouldn’t buy a motorcycle that someone has de-badged. The owner removed the Suzuki and V-Strom stickers. If you don’t have pride of ownership with a motorcycle, it would seem to speak volumes about how the bike was treated or maintained.
All that being said, if you like it then buy it. You’re the kind of guy who’s going to spend a lot of time(and money) making the bike your own so whatever you get is going to look and ride a lot different a year after you buy it.
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Dan, I think he’s at least $700-$1,000 too high. It has accessories but Suzuki has sold tens and tens of thousands of V-Stroms and this bike is 12 years old. The add-ons I see aren’t worth $2k. I’m also not crazy about side loaded cases on an ADV bike. Top loaders are better, imho but the ones shown are decent cases, detachable and they’re large. The mounts aren’t shown but I’d look them over good if I were you. The top case is just a Pelican. They’re tough but it’s not detachable. The seat is stock. That explains why the owner has only put 2,000 miles a year on it. The rotors are replacements. At 25k I’d want to make sure all of the following were fresh; rotors(front and rear), pads, chain, sprockets, tires and a valve adjustment. I’d also check the rear shock and ask if the fork oil has been changed.
One last thing that is a personal quirk of mine and may not be the case with anyone else. I probably wouldn’t buy a motorcycle that someone has de-badged. The owner removed the Suzuki and V-Strom stickers. If you don’t have pride of ownership with a motorcycle, it would seem to speak volumes about how the bike was treated or maintained.
All that being said, if you like it then buy it. You’re the kind of guy who’s going to spend a lot of time(and money) making the bike your own so whatever you get is going to look and ride a lot different a year after you buy it.
Some very good points John that I have not considered. So probably to be a good deal it would need to be in the 3000.00 range and that's if it runs out real well?
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I agree that it is priced high,but if it is in good condition and is set up the way you like, I would go for it. IMO, you can spend a lot of time searching, but if the right bike comes along, price isn't that big of a deal IF you are getting what you Want.
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I agree that it is priced high,but if it is in good condition and is set up the way you like, I would go for it. IMO, you can spend a lot of time searching, but if the right bike comes along, price isn't that big of a deal IF you are getting what you Want.
I hear your point but I'm not in so much of a hurry or need to be 1000+ bucks over my head, out of the gate. To pay to much is really not as much about the money as it's about principle, at least for me.
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This lovely, Guzzi-like (see motor), 2013 Honda CTX 1300cc, V4, shaft-drive, sport touring beast we saw in ALBQ at MOTO AUTHORITY for only $8500 is definitely touring capable also!! :wink: :thumb: :cool:,
(https://i.ibb.co/RDY0BzJ/IMG-7975.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RDY0BzJ)
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Any bike will tour as long as it doesn't blow up, run out of fuel or get crashed in the process.
All YOU need to do is make up for it's perceived deficiencies..
BTW..
Very exciting day, the Norge went into the box to go to Europe.. :bike-037: :thumb: :drool:
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This lovely, Guzzi-like (see motor), 2013 Honda CTX 1300cc, V4, shaft-drive, sport touring beast we saw in ALBQ at MOTO AUTHORITY for only $8500 is definitely touring capable also!! :wink: :thumb: :cool:,
(https://i.ibb.co/RDY0BzJ/IMG-7975.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RDY0BzJ)
d20 roler (https://freeonlinedice.com/)
But it ain't light!. I was interested in these when Honda was lowering the price by $5000 to get them out the showroom doors. Then I found out it was a detuned Honda sport touring engine. Blah!
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But it ain't light!. I was interested in these when Honda was lowering the price by $5000 to get them out the showroom doors. Then I found out it was a detuned Honda sport touring engine. Blah!
Yes, it's true, they are about 750 pounds!!! :rolleyes: :shocked: - - and I already have one white whale in the stable! :laugh: :grin: :wink: However, I'll bet they cruise pretty well at 75-80 mph, even de-tuned!! :cool: :wink: :thumb:
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I think we jumped track. Not looking at touring bikes, looking at lighter bikes that are also capable of mild off road capability and the VStrom was the bike I was considering. Thanks for the responses.
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I think we jumped track. Not looking at touring bikes, looking at lighter bikes that are also capable of mild off road capability and the VStrom was the bike I was considering. Thanks for the responses.
OK, back to the original question then...see photo below...and the answer is "YES!!" - - Touring Capable!! :thumb: :cool: :wink:
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I think we jumped track. Not looking at touring bikes, looking at lighter bikes that are also capable of mild off road capability and the VStrom was the bike I was considering. Thanks for the responses.
Then you want a V7 or an FZ07. Probably the FZ since you went mind dropping it as much. The FZ is only 400 lbs wet. Givi makes racks and you can add a variety of windscreens .
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Thanks to all who responded with suggestions, tips, comparisons, testimonies and advise.
I'm going this weekend to look at an 09 that has all the add on's already installed. We'll see how she goes.
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Thanks to all who responded with suggestions, tips, comparisons, testimonies and advise.
I'm going this weekend to look at an 09 that has all the add on's already installed. We'll see how she goes.
:thumb: good on ya they are great reliable motorcycles
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If you can stand the new MCN they have a feature on the 650 in the current issue.
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I can't follow the reasoning of some of you guys.
You're on a Guzzi forum, you want to try to promote the existence of Guzzi, you want a bike that'll "tour", why not do the simple thing and sink your money into the new V85 and stop buggerising around with pre thrashed Jap crap ?
How is buying a poxy old V Strom, going to help ensure the ongoing success of Guzzi ? All the hand wringing about how Guzzi's been going out of business since 1921 and all the other worn out old phrases and anecdotal opinions about why Guzzi can't grab a larger market share, are trotted out ad nauseum and when there's the opportunity to put up or shut up, all the would be devotees are standing around with their knees knocking and rubbing the backs of their necks in rueful indecision because it might be a couple of Hp short of 80, or their damn inseam might not mesh with the ergonomics.
What a crock..!
If the V85 is a sales failure, you can ponder why as you're riding your Suzuki..
Just sayin'.
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Going to look at this one in a couple days. 07 25k miles. This one is loaded with every accessory that's been mentioned here, bags, guards, heated grips, tall shield, oiled and many others. Guy has it advertised for 4200.00. I'm not sure what the book is but there is proof lose to 2K in add on which are all desirable. Good deal or NO?
Looks reminiscent of a decommissioned Bulgarian Police bike..
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I can't follow the reasoning of some of you guys.
You're on a Guzzi forum, you want to try to promote the existence of Guzzi, you want a bike that'll "tour", why not do the simple thing and sink your money into the new V85 and stop buggerising around with pre thrashed Jap crap ?
How is buying a poxy old V Strom, going to help ensure the ongoing success of Guzzi ? All the hand wringing about how Guzzi's been going out of business since 1921 and all the other worn out old phrases and anecdotal opinions about why Guzzi can't grab a larger market share, are trotted out ad nauseum and when there's the opportunity to put up or shut up, all the would be devotees are standing around with their knees knocking and rubbing the backs of their necks in rueful indecision because it might be a couple of Hp short of 80, or their damn inseam might not mesh with the ergonomics.
What a crock..!
If the V85 is a sales failure, you can ponder why as you're riding your Suzuki..
Just sayin'.
Not everyone has $13k + to spend...
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Huzo, stop with the drinking the fermented kangaroo piss and take a short walk-about until you get your breath😂
I have ridden moto Guzzi bikes for years now and have been a devoted member on this forum for years now. I am simply kicking around the thought of getting a second bike, something lighter and a little more around town friendlier but that could handle a little light touring as well as the occasional dirt road, we do have a few of those here;)
I threw out the original post for an opinion from any of the guys who may have owned one and could offer some thought. The reason the VStrom was the focus was because there were several on CL that were in my price range and there is a Suzuki dealer a few miles from me.
I apologize if my post has offended you and caused you a great deal of stress. Just say and I'll gladly remove it, my Pal down under.
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I can't follow the reasoning of some of you guys.
You're on a Guzzi forum, you want to try to promote the existence of Guzzi, you want a bike that'll "tour", why not do the simple thing and sink your money into the new V85 and stop buggerising around with pre thrashed Jap crap ?
How is buying a poxy old V Strom, going to help ensure the ongoing success of Guzzi ? All the hand wringing about how Guzzi's been going out of business since 1921 and all the other worn out old phrases and anecdotal opinions about why Guzzi can't grab a larger market share, are trotted out ad nauseum and when there's the opportunity to put up or shut up, all the would be devotees are standing around with their knees knocking and rubbing the backs of their necks in rueful indecision because it might be a couple of Hp short of 80, or their damn inseam might not mesh with the ergonomics.
What a crock..!
If the V85 is a sales failure, you can ponder why as you're riding your Suzuki..
Just sayin'.
There’s more to our hobby than a manufacturer that sells a couple thousand bikes a year in the US. If this board only allowed Guzzi content from people who exclusively ride Guzzi’s it would be boring as hell.
If you only want to eat one flavor of ice cream for the rest of your life that’s ok. Forgive the rest of us who are more adventurous.
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Huzo, stop with the drinking the fermented kangaroo piss and take a short walk-about until you get your breath😂
I have ridden moto Guzzi bikes for years now and have been a devoted member on this forum for years now. I am simply kicking around the thought of getting a second bike, something lighter and a little more around town friendlier but that could handle a little light touring as well as the occasional dirt road, we do have a few of those here;)
I threw out the original post for an opinion from any of the guys who may have owned one and could offer some thought. The reason the VStrom was the focus was because there were several on CL that were in my price range and there is a Suzuki dealer a few miles from me.
I apologize if my post has offended you and caused you a great deal of stress. Just say and I'll gladly remove it, my Pal down under.
Sounds fair..
Although in defence of Aussies, our beer tastes a lot nicer than Kangaroo piss..
I find the latter to be a little low in pH for my tastes and a little hard to extract from the male of the species without risking bodily harm during their mating season, but again I digress.
Just a bit of theatre (or theater) for some fun, I doubt I could ever be offended by anyone Dusty would allow to remain here.
Here's an apology from me... :thumb:
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There’s more to our hobby than a manufacturer that sells a couple thousand bikes a year in the US. If this board only allowed Guzzi content from people who exclusively ride Guzzi’s it would be boring as hell.
If you only want to eat one flavor of ice cream for the rest of your life that’s ok. Forgive the rest of us who are more adventurous.
Bon appetit...!
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Nothing to forgive you for, as I suggested, "Just sayin'.."
I don't think the subject matter of what I wrote is what made it offensive, more a function of who wrote it..
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I don't think the subject matter of what I wrote is what made it offensive, more a function of who wrote it..
+1 :popcorn:
Here's an apology from me... :thumb:
Why apologize? I, for one, did not find your post offensive at all. :bow: (I actually like the V-Strom BTW :wink:)
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Sounds fair..
Although in defence of Aussies, our beer tastes a lot nicer than Kangaroo piss..
I find the latter to be a little low in pH for my tastes and a little hard to extract from the male of the species without risking bodily harm during their mating season, but again I digress.
Just a bit of theatre (or theater) for some fun, I doubt I could ever be offended by anyone Dusty would allow to remain here.
Here's an apology from me... :thumb:
You are a gentleman and a scholar my friend and I'm proud to call you a buddy Pal and maybe some day I can sit down with you and have one of those great Aussie beers. For the record I was just funning about the Kangaroo piss thing and laughing the whole time I was saying it:)
Speaking of you Aussie boys? have you heard anything out of Mark (Beetle) of late?
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+1 :popcorn:
Why apologize? I, for one, did not find your post offensive at all. :bow: (I actually like the V-Strom BTW :wink:)
Because an apology is due IMO, when the recipient of a comment is unintentionally offended, even though the opinions offered by the author of the comment, may still be valid in his OWN view..
The very fact that Ncdan offered to pull the thread so as to not prickle me, is evidence that he cares about my feelings, so I therefore by default feel inclined to reciprocate.
I do love the cut and thrust of verbal and written exchange, but it's only fun while everyone's laughing or 'till someone loses an eye.
Things like bullying, RACISM (as completely random examples) and such, are the topics I try not to indulge in....
(I feel a thread drift and possible PM coming my way... :wink:)
BTW..
Beetle has been a bit quiet of late, but he'll be here when there's something worthwhile or important to add, I'll wager.
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For more information on the 'adventure bike' capabilities of the FZ-07, see "Chronicles of a Motorcycle Gypsy" by Tiffani Burkett - should be available on Kindle or at motorcyclist.online .com/authors/tiffani-burkett
She rode the little Yamaha to 49 states and it was NOT all paved going...YMMV
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Then there's Nathan Millward..
An ex pat Brit who was starting a new life in Oz with his partner. He had no intention of leaving Oz in the foreseeable future and was riding around Sydney suburbs on a CT 110 like this one..
(https://i.ibb.co/0GJPnJz/IMG-1086.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0GJPnJz)
(https://i.ibb.co/RhDqvy3/IMG-1087.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RhDqvy3)
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Anyway...
His girl buggered off and he was as flat as a shit carter's hat, so what did he do...?
The bloody obvious..
In 4 days..! He packed his welding gloves, rubber boots and bugger all else into a milk crate on the indefatigable Honda and set off for England via Darwin..
He got there and is now involved in tours. Google it, he filmed most of the trip on Go Pro and by his own admission was ill prepared and clueless.
Interestingly he commented when invited, about any aspects of the trip that were Zen like or enlightening, and he said that he felt nothing like any of that, it was a bloody long way and probably not the wisest or fulfilling thing he expected it to be..
But had he not said it himself, I would have been moved to disagree.
Still bloody impressive... :bow: x 100 (squared)
BTW..
There's a bloke I know who's a mate of his and I asked how to get in touch with him in Blighty.
He said it's pretty difficult, you have to phone this number **** ********* and get his address from him.
You then enter it in your GPS in London and take the short ride to his place !!!!
All sounds a bit hard really... :rolleyes: :wink:
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Because an apology is due IMO, when the recipient of a comment is unintentionally offended, even though the opinions offered by the author of the comment, may still be valid in his OWN view..
The very fact that Ncdan offered to pull the thread so as to not prickle me, is evidence that he cares about my feelings, so I therefore by default feel inclined to reciprocate.
I do love the cut and thrust of verbal and written exchange, but it's only fun while everyone's laughing or 'till someone loses an eye.
Things like bullying, RACISM (as completely random examples) and such, are the topics I try not to indulge in....
(I feel a thread drift and possible PM coming my way... :wink:)
BTW..
Beetle has been a bit quiet of late, but he'll be here when there's something worthwhile or important to add, I'll wager.
You are exactly right Mr Hugo, we can bust each other's chops but any outsiders best not mess with one of us without taking all of us on👍 I figure when someone says something a little off color it because it's about The fifth beer and we know the OZ beer is about 20% alcohol (due to the added fermented kangaroo piss) LMBO, you guys make my day brighter sometimes 😂😂😂😂
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Hmmm.."
I'd like to claim it was the beer Officer, but the fact is I was as sober as a Judge.
Maybe I should take up drinking... :embarrassed:
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I generally figure a lot of what is said here is in jest and should be taken as kidding around. Very much like the banter of friends around a campfire.
Too much seriousness need not apply. :grin:
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Going to look at this one in a couple days. 07 25k miles. This one is loaded with every accessory that's been mentioned here, bags, guards, heated grips, tall shield, oiled and many others. Guy has it advertised for 4200.00. I'm not sure what the book is but there is close to 2K in add on's which are all desirable. Good deal or NO?
Hi NC Dan,
IMO, I think the price is $1k or so too much and accessories don't add much to a bikes resale. I'd want to see service records too. At 25K, it might be coming up on another set of tires, chain& sprockets, valve clearance at 32K, have fluid changes been maintained, etc.
FWIW, I'd also opt for an abs equipped unit. Speaking from experiences with mine, in an emergency situation, it doesn't take much front brake to get the rear wheel to unload and further reduce rear braking efficiency. All my other bikes are non-abs but i'm glad the Strom has them.
Good luck!
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Hi NC Dan,
IMO, I think the price is $1k or so too much and accessories don't add much to a bikes resale. I'd want to see service records too. At 25K, it might be coming up on another set of tires, chain& sprockets, valve clearance at 32K, have fluid changes been maintained, etc.
FWIW, I'd also opt for an abs equipped unit. Speaking from experiences with mine, in an emergency situation, it doesn't take much front brake to get the rear wheel to unload and further reduce rear braking efficiency. All my other bikes are non-abs but i'm glad the Strom has them.
Good luck!
Thanks for the excellent information Sir👍
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I generally figure a lot of what is said here is in jest and should be taken as kidding around. Very much like the banter of friends around a campfire.
Too much seriousness need not apply. :grin:
Inisputably true, but you need to know what level your relationship is on and if you presume too much you can make an error and should own it..
If you offend someone then the offence is real although the intent is not.
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/V-Strom/i-hx56Dx2/0/cd96598f/X5/IMG_7464-X5.jpg)
I wouldn't mind taking this one touring anywhere...it's not going to win any motorcross or enduros, but there's a heck of a lot of places it can take you...YMMV
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/V-Strom/i-hx56Dx2/0/cd96598f/X5/IMG_7464-X5.jpg)
I wouldn't mind taking this one touring anywhere...it's not going to win any motorcross or enduros, but there's a heck of a lot of places it can take you...YMMV
That's a fine looking mechine!! I was looking at an 07 that was set up just like yours but by the time I finish evaluating all the great information given here.... I missed it, it sold for $3800
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NOT mine, but I posted just to show that 'adventure bike' can have MANY meanings...I consider my Norge an adventure bike, 'cause everywhere I go is an ADVENTURE for sure... :thumb:
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Here is my Versys and my buddy's ZZR 600 adventure bike.
(https://i.ibb.co/TMX8qtY/054.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TMX8qtY)
(https://i.ibb.co/xsm9JJP/050.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xsm9JJP)
full tort pa (https://carinsuranceguru.org/what-is-the-difference-between-limited-tort-and-full-tort)
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Here is my Versys and my buddy's ZZR 600 adventure bike.
(https://i.ibb.co/TMX8qtY/054.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TMX8qtY)
(https://i.ibb.co/xsm9JJP/050.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xsm9JJP)
full tort pa (https://carinsuranceguru.org/what-is-the-difference-between-limited-tort-and-full-tort)
Yep, that's exactly the type of terrain I was referring to when I started the thread, not woods or single line really rough stuff.
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Here is my Versys and my buddy's ZZR 600 adventure bike.
(https://i.ibb.co/TMX8qtY/054.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TMX8qtY)
(https://i.ibb.co/xsm9JJP/050.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xsm9JJP)
full tort pa (https://carinsuranceguru.org/what-is-the-difference-between-limited-tort-and-full-tort)
Love that 2nd photo, great shot..
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Adventure Bike??
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Before you answer, read this:
A 50-year-old Motorcycle Goes To The Nordkapp...in the Dead of Winter
https://advrider.com/f/threads/going-north-on-a-50-year-old-honda-s50-90cc.1357649/ (https://advrider.com/f/threads/going-north-on-a-50-year-old-honda-s50-90cc.1357649/)
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Love that 2nd photo, great shot..
Thanks. I remember almost running out of breath climbing for that shot in my riding gear.
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Yep, that's exactly the type of terrain I was referring to when I started the thread, not woods or single line really rough stuff.
Then, any bike made will suit your purposes.
Some bikes might benefit from a little modification if the dirt gets a little loose.
(https://i.ibb.co/L1y3m0S/20190223-121025-1.jpg)[/url]
Some bikes automatically morph into off road bikes when needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzIQg6Ly_Rw
(https://ibb.co/L1y3m0S)
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The new Royal Enfield Himalayan...I believe this would be touring capable...with some limitations... :thumb: :cool:
(https://i.ibb.co/T0vyftt/IMG-8042.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T0vyftt)
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Then, any bike made will suit your purposes.
Some bikes might benefit from a little modification if the dirt gets a little loose.
(https://i.ibb.co/L1y3m0S/20190223-121025-1.jpg)[/url]
Some bikes automatically morph into off road bikes when needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzIQg6Ly_Rw
(https://ibb.co/L1y3m0S)
You are absolutely right any motorcycle can be ridden on dirt roads. During my training I went through as a motor officer we were required to ride HD Electra Glides on dirt and gravel roads, cross curbs, ride up grassy slopes and without taking our feet off the floorboards. Thats not in the subject of the content of what makes a duel purpose or sport touring bike. However good conversation:)
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The new Royal Enfield Himalayan...I believe this would be touring capable...with some limitations... :thumb: :cool:
(https://i.ibb.co/T0vyftt/IMG-8042.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T0vyftt)
I sure love mine. Here she is, dressed for local riding.
(https://i.ibb.co/BwgTL2K/IMG-5008-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BwgTL2K)
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^^ You are ready for some adventure, my friend! Looks fantastic!! :bow:
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Yep, looks like that might work, how the BIG HOWEVER, is there going to be a support issue as I don't think I have a RE dealership near me and how long will they stay in business before owners will be out in the cold:(
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Yep, looks like that might work, how the BIG HOWEVER, is there going to be a support issue as I don't think I have a RE dealership near me and how long will they stay in business before owners will be out in the cold:(
They are one of the largest manufacturers in the world.
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Yep, looks like that might work, how the BIG HOWEVER, is there going to be a support issue as I don't think I have a RE dealership near me and how long will they stay in business before owners will be out in the cold:(
Dan, there are 3 dealers in NC, Greensboro, Raleigh and Charlotte, and Royal Enfield is working on adding 5 new dealers each month. They're made a huge investment in quality control and customer satisfaction, and is in the game for the long haul. This isn't the Royal Enfield of the past, or even 3-4 years ago.
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Getting parts shouldn't be a problem except for the time component, but working on the thing should be a piece of cake for anyone who knows a wrench from a wench...
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Thanks for the location info, I may ride to Greensboro and take a look.
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Thanks for the location info, I may ride to Greensboro and take a look.
Yep, great dealer, Select Cycles, also the local Triumph shop. Tell Jen, Sophie or Ryan Steve sent you, maybe they'll throw me a free oil change or something. :wink:
https://selectcycle.com/
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Yep, great dealer, Select Cycles, also the local Triumph shop. Tell Jen, Sophie or Ryan Steve sent you, maybe they'll throw me a free oil change or something. :wink:
https://selectcycle.com/
I went today and Jen showed me around. I got a lot of info on the RI Himalaya. I don't think that bike will fill my needs for a road bike. It woukd be a fair off road, dirt or gravel ride but the 500cc is simply not enough for extended serious highway use. Jen said the top speed is 80 mph and anything past 65-70 is buzzy. In my opinion they woukd be a good around town backup ride or around locally on road use between tobacco farm roads.
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Dan,
Even though it didn't suit your needs I was hoping you would do a good test ride on it. I was curious as to your impression. I probably wont ever get one but I am intrigued by the bike.
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Dan,
Even though it didn't suit your needs I was hoping you would do a good test ride on it. I was curious as to your impression. I probably wont ever get one but I am intrigued by the bike.
I'll give you a call buddy with a little better review.