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Title: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: LowRyter on March 04, 2019, 09:14:48 PM
here's a short video with some on-bike shots of Mike Hailwood on an MV.

https://motorsport.tv/embed/KkgDywup-sights-sounds-onboard-with-mike-hailwood-at-spa-francorchamps-1964?autoplay
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: Fontain25 on March 04, 2019, 09:22:03 PM
Oh yeah
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: oldbike54 on March 04, 2019, 09:37:40 PM
 Hailwood also said he always felt safer on a bike than in a race car , something about if you crash on a motorbike you just slid along the road a bit , in a car you went bang and stopped .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: twowings on March 04, 2019, 10:11:51 PM
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: Turin on March 04, 2019, 10:13:57 PM
Watch " Grand Prix : The Killer Years". I'd feel safer on a bike too.
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: LowRyter on March 04, 2019, 10:24:25 PM
half helmet and goggles, open faced
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: SED on March 04, 2019, 10:54:25 PM
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 05, 2019, 04:27:18 PM
Back when men were men.. none of that sissy crawling around on the bike, dragging a knee, etc.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: oldbike54 on March 05, 2019, 04:51:44 PM
Back when men were men.. none of that sissy crawling around on the bike, dragging a knee, etc.  :thumb:

 It may have been Dave *Crasher* Croxford who stated , "sometimes we cornered faster than we intended , because the brakes didn't" , or something like that  :laugh:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: Muzz on March 05, 2019, 05:19:40 PM
The picture holding pride of place in our old flat was a picture of Mike the Bike on his Honda 250/6 cranked hard over in a left hander.

Amazing rider.

Killed in a car pile up going to get fish and chips I understand.
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: twowings on March 05, 2019, 07:12:47 PM
I really respect riders from those days...when horsepower was far ahead of frame, suspension, tire, track safety, and fueling development...big brass ones required for sure... :thumb:
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: Muzz on March 06, 2019, 01:17:54 PM
I really respect riders from those days...when horsepower was far ahead of frame, suspension, tire, track safety, and fueling development...big brass ones required for sure... :thumb:

Remember du Hammel on the Kawasaki. 16 gallon tank, 5 fillups to do the Daytona 500 with so much horsepower that it just shredded the rear tires of the time. His team pioneered the gulp filler for motorcycles.
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: oldbike54 on March 06, 2019, 02:00:58 PM
Remember du Hammel on the Kawasaki. 16 gallon tank, 5 fillups to do the Daytona 500 with so much horsepower that it just shredded the rear tires of the time. His team pioneered the gulp filler for motorcycles.

 Ask Bazza about those shredded rear tires . OK , a bit late for that .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: DorsetBlue on March 07, 2019, 02:55:55 AM
Killed in a car pile up going to get fish and chips I understand.

Killed, along with his daughter, by a truck driver performing an illegal U-turn on the way to get fish and chips.  :sad:
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: oldbike54 on March 07, 2019, 12:30:38 PM
Killed, along with his daughter, by a truck driver performing an illegal U-turn on the way to get fish and chips.  :sad:

 9 Days short of his 41st birthday , his daughter Michelle only 9 , buried next to each other in Tanworth-in-Arden .

 Yeah , I am a bit of a Hailwood fan and an Anglophile . Hailwood is still one of the greatest racers ever , the people's hero , him and Joey .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: not-fishing on March 07, 2019, 02:17:20 PM
Great video!                            :thumb:

One of the things most people don't realize is how brutal it is laying on the tank with your chin while getting banged up going over bumps.

After a very short bit you want to sit up but you put your head down and flatten because you know it's faster...........and continue with the beatings
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: twowings on March 07, 2019, 02:31:24 PM
FWIW...latest issue of Motorcycle Classics has nice article on Hailwood's Ducati and the Austrailian company making replicas of it...pic of Hailwood's wife and son accompanies article...
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: MotoChuck250 on March 07, 2019, 02:43:44 PM
9 Days short of his 41st birthday , his daughter Michelle only 9 , buried next to each other in Tanworth-in-Arden .

 Yeah , I am a bit of a Hailwood fan and an Anglophile . Hailwood is still one of the greatest racers ever , the people's hero , him and Joey .

 Dusty

 :thumb:
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: kfz on March 07, 2019, 03:18:54 PM
Went to a talk once with Jim Readman and Ago. Jim was his normal down to earth self (RIP) and a lovely guy, taking the micky out of Phil Read who phoned in. Ago got a rapturous welcome as you would expect. After Ago's talkly bit the obvious question came up as who was the best rider, were the older riders who rode 3 classes a day better than the modern riders.  Ago was a diplomatic Italian as ever and wouldnt say but did say that when Hailwood was on form, he was very hard to beat.

He also mentioned Saarinen was a very talented rider and hard to pass.
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: JJ on March 07, 2019, 03:26:13 PM
Back when men were men.. none of that sissy crawling around on the bike, dragging a knee, etc.  :thumb:

YES!! No full coverage helmet or fancy gear....Mike-The-Bike!!  He was a living legend... :cool: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: Don G on March 07, 2019, 03:37:03 PM
Not wearing any gloves as well! DonG
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: jas67 on March 07, 2019, 06:16:17 PM
Next video up with Joey Dunlop!
https://motorsport.tv/embed/BrSwy53p?autoplay=&mostRecent=19567&startId=18522&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwildguzzi.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D99987.0 (https://motorsport.tv/embed/BrSwy53p?autoplay=&mostRecent=19567&startId=18522&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwildguzzi.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D99987.0)
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: Muzz on March 07, 2019, 06:40:16 PM

He also mentioned Saarinen was a very talented rider and hard to pass.

The original "Flying Finn". :thumb:

As a young rider I remember a story about him.  He was at a race meet and had blown up both his bikes.  He was standing watching the racing and a young guy came up and said he had a special he had built and he would be real chuffed for him to race it.  It was built from two 125 Rotax engines that the kid had grafted together to make a 250.  Saarinen said that he could guarantee that it would not come back in one piece but the kid said that even if he got one lap in he would be real happy.

Saarinen went out and led the works riders for over half the race before the homebuilt finally grenaded.  The kid was over the moon and yes, Saarinen could indeed ride!
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: oldbike54 on March 07, 2019, 06:49:01 PM
 Good chance that KR would not have ever signed with Yamaha to race GP's if Saarinen hadn't died .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: twowings on March 07, 2019, 07:43:46 PM
Jarno at Silverstone 1972

(https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~peer/Images/racer-jarno.jpg)

Jarno and Mrs. Saarenin (Soili Karme)

(https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~peer/Images/racer-jarno-soreli.jpg)

Jarno and Mrs. Saarenin

(https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~peer/Images/racer-jarno-soili-karme.jpg)

What might have been...

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Jarno_Saarinen_colour.JPG)

Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: Tusayan on March 07, 2019, 09:24:41 PM
Good chance that KR would not have ever signed with Yamaha to race GP's if Saarinen hadn't died

I think Yamaha would have eventually figured out who could get the job done, meaning the 500 GP championship, three times in a row, starting in his first year.  I don't think the Europeans have got over the humiliation to this day  :wink:
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: oldbike54 on March 07, 2019, 09:32:22 PM
I think Yamaha would have eventually figured out who could get the job done, meaning the 500 GP championship, three times in a row, starting in his first year.  I don't think the Europeans have got over the humiliation to this day  :wink:

 Dunno , Saarinen was on his way . Heck , it was widely reported that Roberts squeezed out Baker because he didn't want to race him in Europe , and the Yamaha was at least ten HP up on Bazza's Suzuki .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: DorsetBlue on March 14, 2019, 04:05:14 AM
9 Days short of his 41st birthday , his daughter Michelle only 9 , buried next to each other in Tanworth-in-Arden .

 Yeah , I am a bit of a Hailwood fan and an Anglophile . Hailwood is still one of the greatest racers ever , the people's hero , him and Joey .

 Dusty

My late wife grew up just down the road in Henley-in-Arden.
Title: Re: Hailwood at Spa
Post by: weevee on March 15, 2019, 03:57:29 AM
Next video up with Joey Dunlop!
https://motorsport.tv/embed/BrSwy53p?autoplay=&mostRecent=19567&startId=18522&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwildguzzi.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D99987.0 (https://motorsport.tv/embed/BrSwy53p?autoplay=&mostRecent=19567&startId=18522&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwildguzzi.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D99987.0)

Four years later, the then-invincible/unbeaten 1000cc Yamaha R1 was on the scene, and Dunlop had a couple to contend with at the Ulster GP.  He was riding that same old-clunker 750cc V-four Honda.  The race starts at the one minute mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wamdJQXI9w