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Title: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: slowmover on April 18, 2015, 06:11:27 PM
So I've read all the discussion on the pipes turning blue 5 inches or so coming out of the engine and I know I'll eventually give up hurting my elbows working them with Blue Job.It hasn't been that big an issue for the last 2 years,after every 150 miles or so I'd go out there to smoke a cigar, get away from da wife and deal with them. But all of a sudden this year they turn intensely discolored after just a couple of miles where it used to be a gradual change.I don't notice any change in the way it runs so I don't suspect it's an engine issue. I thought it might be the first Stabil treated tank of fuel after winter but now I'm on my 2nd tank and no change.Do you think some molecular change has occurred in the chrome as it ages or what? It's got 5300 miles on it and the gas is the mid range 89.I ain't wrapping them in tape but I may look for black pipes sometime in the future.
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: canuguzzi on April 18, 2015, 06:56:45 PM
Blue pipes give a bike character. Since bikes had chrome exhausts and headers they have been turning blue.

Getting black pipes isn't going to solve anything, they'll eventually lighten up and look far worse than those good looking blued ones.

Think of it as your ride telling everyone else it isn't a garage queen. You don't want to look like a Starbucks lover do you?
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: jackson on April 18, 2015, 07:06:36 PM
When I bought my first BMW airhead twin back in the mid 70's, I panicked when the pipes started turning blue.  We didn't have the internet back then and there weren't that many Beemers where I lived so I called the dealer (50 miles away) and he assured me that it was normal due to the pipes being single-wall rather than double (pipe within a pipe).  A few years later, I moved to San Diego where I found a lot of BMW riders and all of them had blue header pipes. 
You're fighting a losing battle if you think that you can totally eliminate the bluing because it will just keep on coming back.  I just accept it as giving the bike some character. 
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: canuguzzi on April 18, 2015, 07:08:35 PM
^^^^

Yup, blued pipes means the engine got above idle. :BEER:
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: Triple Jim on April 18, 2015, 07:12:59 PM
If you decide to go black, there are some decent spray can coatings on the market now, one of which is VHT Flame Proof 1300-2000F ceramic coating.  The part number for flat black is SP102.
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: Kentktk on April 18, 2015, 07:28:44 PM
Do you think some molecular change has occurred in the chrome as it ages or what? It's got 5300 miles

BlueJob works through a chemical reaction, you`ve applied so much of the stuff to the chrome it is reacting differently to the heat now.
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: slowmover on April 18, 2015, 07:55:44 PM
Now that is interesting.
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: Cam3512 on April 18, 2015, 08:31:16 PM
Had mine recently Cerakoated (ceramic) "Glacer Black" at a local shop.  

http://www.gsdcoatings.com/cmsms/index.php?page=exhaust

(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/Conklin3512/CONKLIN-PC/V7%20Special/Glacier%20Black_zpsfdkyr3zb.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/Conklin3512/media/CONKLIN-PC/V7%20Special/Glacier%20Black_zpsfdkyr3zb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: Kev m on April 18, 2015, 09:19:22 PM
Had mine recently Cerakoated (ceramic) "Glacer Black" at a local shop.  

http://www.gsdcoatings.com/cmsms/index.php?page=exhaust

(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/Conklin3512/CONKLIN-PC/V7%20Special/Glacier%20Black_zpsfdkyr3zb.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/Conklin3512/media/CONKLIN-PC/V7%20Special/Glacier%20Black_zpsfdkyr3zb.jpg.html)
They look frickin awesome!
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: normzone on April 18, 2015, 10:58:51 PM
Blue is bad? I didn't get that email. What I wouldn't give to have those beautiful blue pipes on this bike.
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: Brightblade on April 19, 2015, 10:26:26 AM
Had mine recently Cerakoated (ceramic) "Glacer Black" at a local shop.  

http://www.gsdcoatings.com/cmsms/index.php?page=exhaust

(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s674/Conklin3512/CONKLIN-PC/V7%20Special/Glacier%20Black_zpsfdkyr3zb.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/Conklin3512/media/CONKLIN-PC/V7%20Special/Glacier%20Black_zpsfdkyr3zb.jpg.html)

That's is very nice, I'm thinking of something like that for the Cali, chrome is the wife's favorite color though...
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: jas67 on April 21, 2015, 08:38:38 PM
The black pipes look fantastic on the black and silver bike!
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: Cam3512 on April 21, 2015, 08:41:03 PM
That's is very nice, I'm thinking of something like that for the Cali, chrome is the wife's favorite color though...

Look in the link I attached.  Cerakote does a "chrome" ceramic that looks damn near the real thing.
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: Maaka on April 22, 2015, 08:12:49 AM
yes agree, firstly you got the blue pipes by cracking the ton down some freeway somewhere's and turning them red hot, and now after applying sways of liquid goo all over them to buff them up, the goo even though wiped off is instead reacting to the heat..maybe they will go a choc brown color next, and maybe if you rub hard enough, and all night long, they might come up like brass..brass mufflers on a MG, could start something new....sorry, couldnt help myself..I remember the pipes on my beloved Trident turned blue at 124mph..did spoil the chrome abit, but at least now I know when I buy a bike if the owner has wringed the guts out of it, or not..dead give away..
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: rocker59 on April 22, 2015, 09:55:17 AM
Blue pipes are cool.

Every bike had blue pipes until HD and the clones started using full-length heat shields (and some double-wall pipes) decades ago.

You're wasting good riding time polishing the blue off of the chrome.

You should be out trying to see how far down the pipe you can get the blue to go.  Hint:  It takes lots of throttle.   :bike
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: redrider90 on April 22, 2015, 10:39:11 AM
If you decide to go black, there are some decent spray can coatings on the market now, one of which is VHT Flame Proof 1300-2000F ceramic coating.  The part number for flat black is SP102.

Show us your Mille Jim. The board will be impressed. Took a rat bike and for a few hundred $ has a fine looking machine including painting those headers black.
Jim is very humble and dose not like to brag but I am impressed with his work. I first saw his Mille and couldn't see the forest for the trees. A couple of month later well it's sharp. Looks the the big brother to the modern V7. Common Jim show us some before and after. We all love porn here.  :PICS!: :PICS!: :PICS!: :PICS!:
And while you are at it put you your before and after DT 100 Yamaha enduro  pics. Wait to you guys see what Jim built specifically for the Tail of the Dragon. Took a beater old enduro and well you'll see if Jim puts the pics up. I want bike porn   :PICS!: and Jim's got some cool stuff to look at: before and after.  :pop
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: Abbienormal on April 22, 2015, 11:18:12 AM
If you decide to go black, there are some decent spray can coatings on the market now, one of which is VHT Flame Proof 1300-2000F ceramic coating.  The part number for flat black is SP102.

I have sand blasted and painted several exhausts in my time. For my money I would rather pay up front and ceramicoat or heat proof powder coat than spray from a can. Rattle can jobs look good till a few miles on a wet dirty road. They get that brown hue that does not want to come off. My 1972 Suzuki TS90 had 2 rattle can jobs after sandblasting. I then blasted it again and had the Ceramicoat done. Even after a fair amount of caked on dirt, I use it as a pit bike while viewing racing events, the pipe is still black. Oh yeah, the poor think even did the "Dragon" 2 up and neither of us are light! I did cheat and take it there in my truck on the way to Barber Motorsports Park.

Rudy
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: lrutt on April 22, 2015, 11:25:12 AM
FYI, coat the inside of new chrome pipes and they won't turn blue. I have a 71 Triumph that I poured hi temp grill paint on the inside of the pipes when they were new. 15 years later and the pipes are still shiny chrome. when was the last time you saw that on an old Triumph :)

Did the same when I put NOS pipes on my 76 750 Honda, still nice.
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: Kev m on April 22, 2015, 11:44:33 AM
FYI, coat the inside of new chrome pipes and they won't turn blue. I have a 71 Triumph that I poured hi temp grill paint on the inside of the pipes when they were new. 15 years later and the pipes are still shiny chrome. when was the last time you saw that on an old Triumph :)

Did the same when I put NOS pipes on my 76 750 Honda, still nice.

You think that would hold up under the much hotter/leaner combustion temps on bikes that meet modern emissions stamps?

Especially ones that have Cat-Cons in the mufflers?
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: canuguzzi on April 22, 2015, 11:48:45 AM
There are people that take torches to their headers to get them blue, you got it done without that hassle. Seems a pretty good deal to me.
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: rodekyll on April 22, 2015, 12:33:15 PM
If you rub them really hard a genie pops out and grants a wish.  I'd tell him I wish he'd stop turning the pipes blue.
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: Triple Jim on April 22, 2015, 04:53:39 PM
Show us your Mille Jim.

Thank you, Harvey, but talk about a thread hijack!   :D   When I get a few minutes, maybe I'll start a new thread to answer your request.   :)
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: slowmover on April 22, 2015, 08:45:23 PM
The bike has never been over 80 mph and it's never ''cracked a ton" on any freeway( whatever that means.) And no sways of liquid goo have been applied.You need to lighten up on the Fosters ,mate.
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: Maaka on April 23, 2015, 01:50:23 AM
cracking the ton, means doing over 100mph, and I only drink tea...true
my words, or opinion's are to be taken in a broad context, (80 or a 100mph, whats afew mph between bikers), and in a light hearted manner..you sounded to serious, and I was trying to brighten you, and the situation up abit with some light hearted banter..oh never mind
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: Penderic on April 23, 2015, 04:03:37 AM
Other choices!  8)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/japan%20v7%20pipes1_zpsyykmsc4j.jpg)

(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/gold%20pipes_zps36mzlt63.jpg)
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: pressureangle on April 23, 2015, 08:14:45 AM
Blue=heat. It's mostly normal.

However, a big change can indicate something to investigate. A sudden increase in exhaust heat can mean a couple things;
An ignition timing change-usually retarded. Chain stretch etc.
A lean condition-intake leaks
Poor fuel quality-incomplete burn, finishes in exhaust tract
Tight valve adjustment
reduced fuel pressure in EFI systems
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: Kev m on April 23, 2015, 08:29:36 AM
Blue=heat. It's mostly normal.

However, a big change can indicate something to investigate. A sudden increase in exhaust heat can mean a couple things;
An ignition timing change-usually retarded. Chain stretch etc.
A lean condition-intake leaks
Poor fuel quality-incomplete burn, finishes in exhaust tract
Tight valve adjustment
reduced fuel pressure in EFI systems

Exhaust leak near the exhaust flange allowing fresh air into the pipes to burn off unburnt gasses in the pipes....
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: hooter on April 26, 2015, 02:08:58 PM
(http://)http://s172.photobucket.com/user/RodHorton/media/image.jpg1_zpsaaicg79p.jpg.html?o=0
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: cytocycle on April 27, 2015, 10:25:14 PM
Blue is bad? I didn't get that email. What I wouldn't give to have those beautiful blue pipes on this bike.

Blue means you are running lean, and if you want cool colored pipes get some Titanium pipes (arrow makes some) and watch them turn the color of the rainbow and amazing welds.
Title: Re: sudden change on blue pipes on 2013 V7 Stone
Post by: kirkemon on April 28, 2015, 12:33:51 PM
I've tried Kreem Blue Shield with limited success. Well, it's hard to tell how blue my pipes would be without using it. The instructions say to use it on virgin pipes, mine were not. They had about 5 miles on them and I tried to clean the inside with steel wool the best I could before I applied it.
http://kreem.com/blueshield.html