Wildgoose Chase Moto Guzzi

General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: wymple on December 10, 2015, 01:57:59 AM

Title: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: wymple on December 10, 2015, 01:57:59 AM
http://www.bikeexif.com/3-wheel-motorcycle
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: fotoguzzi on December 10, 2015, 07:16:46 AM
(http://kickstart.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/3-wheel-motorcycle-5-625x417.jpg)where you been.. they were built in the 1960's
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: steven c on December 10, 2015, 10:34:10 AM
No stopping this!
http://www.bikeexif.com/3-wheel-motorcycle
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: pehayes on December 10, 2015, 10:41:43 AM
This Mechanical Mule is very important in Guzzi history.  Until this model (and except for a few exotic race versions) all Guzzi motors were single cylinder.  This machine introduced the 90 degree V-twin to regular Guzzi production.  That primitive motor went on to become the power plant we all now love and enjoy.

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: rocker59 on December 10, 2015, 11:01:10 AM
merged.
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: fotoguzzi on December 10, 2015, 11:04:04 AM
(http://img07.deviantart.net/59e6/i/2013/099/1/e/moto_guzzi_ercole_by_pygar_art-d60zm7w.jpg)
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: Arizona Wayne on December 10, 2015, 11:16:39 AM
Actually 3 wheeled utility, truck vehicles were all over Europe and even Japan in earlier times.  I  have a slide of a 3w/dump truck in Japan in `68.  In Italy they are called Apes(ahpees).
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on December 10, 2015, 11:20:58 AM
This machine introduced the 90 degree V-twin to regular Guzzi production.  That primitive motor went on to become the power plant we all now love and enjoy.

I have to disagree with this statement. Greg Field effectively dispels this myth in his book "Moto Guzzi Big Twins".

Individually, Carcano and Todero had each worked on 90-degree Vs in the past. Carcano had designed an air-cooled 600 cc engine designed to power the Fiat 500 car, and Todero had helped develop the fan-cooled 750 cc engine for the 3x3 Mechanical Mule, an engine designed by another Moto Guzzi engineer, Antonio Micucci.

Neither the Fiat 500 nore the Mule engine was used as the basis for the V700 engine, however, and it's somewhat puzzling how the whole misconception got started, given the fact that the Mule engine was designed by Micucci, rather than Carcano. The fact is, all the V700 engine and the other two share in common is a 90-degree V-angle. "Comparing the head design and structure, the distribution, displacement, lube and fuel systems and engine crankcases is enough to demonstrate that the engines are totally different and come from different ideas, " asserted Todero. Said Carcano on the issue: "The (Mule) engine has nothing in common with the V7. It had a forced cooling system and was a 90-degree V, but it's cylinders, heads, and engine casing, etc., differed completely.   
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on December 10, 2015, 11:26:22 AM
Actually 3 wheeled utility, truck vehicles were all over Europe and even Japan in earlier times.  I  have a slide of a 3w/dump truck in Japan in `68.  In Italy they are called Apes(ahpees).

Moto Guzzi was building 3 wheeled "goods vehicles" as early 1928, in various displacements from 50 cc to 500 cc.
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: Dogwalker on December 10, 2015, 11:42:02 AM
The engine of the Mulo Meccanico was very different to those of the motorcycles. It had a dry sump, two camshaft at the sides of the block, pushrods on the external side of the cylinders, and parallel valves inclined 12 degrees in respect to the cylinder (wedge shaped combustion chambers).
That for the 500 was instead already very similar, with a wet sump, single camshaft in the same position of that of the v7, inclined valves and hemi heads.
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on December 10, 2015, 05:22:34 PM
When I first went to Cina about 15 years ago you could see lots of these on the road spewing out black smoke from the single cylinder engine
(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s526/Kiwi_Roy/Misc%20Pics/Chinese%20Trike_zpsbx5oexfc.jpg)
Last time I went I only saw 1
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: canuck750 on December 10, 2015, 05:51:17 PM
These little Piago three wheelers where everywhere in Italy when I was in the north two years ago.

(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/CRASH/Piaggio_Ape_Kasten_zpsyewgk3nq.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/CRASH/Piaggio_Ape_Kasten_zpsyewgk3nq.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: Arizona Wayne on December 11, 2015, 11:03:53 PM
These little Piago three wheelers where everywhere in Italy when I was in the north two years ago.

(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/CRASH/Piaggio_Ape_Kasten_zpsyewgk3nq.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/CRASH/Piaggio_Ape_Kasten_zpsyewgk3nq.jpg.html)


That sucker looks pretty darn new.  :cool: Wonder what size motor it has. When gas costs $15/gal., the streets are narrow, and you want to stay in business.......... :thumb:
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: azguzzirep on December 12, 2015, 03:34:17 AM
These little Piago three wheelers where everywhere in Italy when I was in the north two years ago.

(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/CRASH/Piaggio_Ape_Kasten_zpsyewgk3nq.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/CRASH/Piaggio_Ape_Kasten_zpsyewgk3nq.jpg.html)

I see these kinds of things everyday. Ho hum.
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: Tom on December 12, 2015, 02:11:33 PM
Probably the smaller scooter size engines....125 or 175 cc's engine.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_rickshaw
Title: Re: Guzzi's Three Wheeler - I haven't seen this before...
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on December 12, 2015, 04:02:31 PM
http://www.piaggioape.co.uk/50_panelvan.html