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Title: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: pmillar on September 30, 2018, 08:16:29 AM
Not bad looking bikes. Lightweight and certainly priced right at under $6K. I suspect they will win some reasonable sales - perhaps at the expense of some V7 sales [Guzzi content]. Power looks comparable.  If they can deliver the build quality, dealer network and reliability I suspect they have a winner.  Sounds a little familiar... 

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2018/09/royal-enfield-650-models-announced-with-north-american-pricing-and-availability/
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Post by: JJ on September 30, 2018, 08:41:03 AM
Agree on all points... :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:  I am starting to think "lighter" is the way to go in the future. :wink:

There is a dealer now in the Scottsdale AirPark (also Indian) "Double-D's" which will have Royal Enfields in stock.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: gliderjohn on September 30, 2018, 08:55:52 AM
Do they have a scrambler version in this 650 series? I would give that serious thought for just bombing down non-paved roads in my area that are fairly well maintained for the most part.
GliderJohn
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Post by: pyoungbl on September 30, 2018, 09:06:53 AM
Wow!  I was expecting something much heavier.  With only 40 hp from a 650 the engine is under-stressed and I would expect that to mean reliable, much like the V7.  At that price point these two offerings might even get some of the younger riders to buy.  Now it's up to Royal Enfield to not screw this up.
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Post by: yogidozer on September 30, 2018, 09:09:26 AM
Looks like a great deal!
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Post by: Kiwi_Roy on September 30, 2018, 09:09:44 AM
I looked at the Enfield Himalaya in Seattle yesterday, looks really robust.
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Post by: JJ on September 30, 2018, 09:23:41 AM
Do they have a scrambler version in this 650 series? I would give that serious thought for just bombing down non-paved roads in my area that are fairly well maintained for the most part.
GliderJohn

Yes..."The Himalayan"


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Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: gliderjohn on September 30, 2018, 12:11:21 PM
The Himalayan is 400cc though. Probably enough for what I need however. Local dealer price is $4,599.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: pmillar on September 30, 2018, 01:01:11 PM
Do they have a scrambler version in this 650 series? I would give that serious thought for just bombing down non-paved roads in my area that are fairly well maintained for the most part.
GliderJohn

I would be very surprised if they didn't have a scrambler on the drawing boards with the 650 engine. It would probably cannibalize some Himalayan sales, but you win some, you lose some. 
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: daytonars97 on September 30, 2018, 08:43:19 PM
  See an ABS ring.... Mmmmm. One of my requirements.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: luthier on October 01, 2018, 12:31:53 AM
444pounds with 40hp? Yuck!
My ST3 Duke is only 447pounds with 102hp. And it is reliable.[If you service it.]
Those Enfields look like a clunky version of  an old Matchy twin.
I'd get a new Bonny over that any day or get a retro one from 2007 for much less money.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: grebmrof on October 01, 2018, 05:36:03 AM
Not bad looking bikes. Lightweight and certainly priced right at under $6K. I suspect they will win some reasonable sales - perhaps at the expense of some V7 sales [Guzzi content]. Power looks comparable.  If they can deliver the build quality, dealer network and reliability I suspect they have a winner.  Sounds a little familiar... 

A little hard to understand their pricing as it seems to then bump into what is asked for their big singles.  When we were at the Cleveland MC Show, we were told pricing would come in at around $7K or more...so this pricing is quite a surprise.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: Bisbonian on October 01, 2018, 10:32:42 AM
Agree on all points... :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:  I am starting to think "lighter" is the way to go in the future. :wink:

There is a dealer now in the Scottsdale AirPark (also Indian) "Double-D's" which will have Royal Enfields in stock.

It looks like GoAZ in the Phoenix area just picked up Royal Enfield as well (in addition to Moto Guzzi) so more options are out there.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: Shorty on October 01, 2018, 10:47:18 AM
I already have 2 in the garage....opps, they are those non authentic Bloor Bonnevilles.... :wink:
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Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on October 01, 2018, 10:51:48 AM
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I'm really "digging" this bike. Priced right. Dealer in Silver Spring, MD. Hmm...
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: xackley on October 01, 2018, 12:09:48 PM
Here's hoping you all buy one and decide to sell your V7. It would help to saturate the used V7 market and level out the prices.
By looks that is more British than the current Bonnevilles.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: JJ on October 01, 2018, 12:41:47 PM
I'm really "digging" this bike. Priced right. Dealer in Silver Spring, MD. Hmm...

I like it to...47 HP...445 pounds...6-speed...will cruise at 70-75 mph....priced right...and a nice looking alternative to the Guzzi V7 / Triumph Bonneville...now let's hope the QC / service / parts / dealership will support the sales of this bike!
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: Rhodan on October 01, 2018, 01:21:27 PM
I'd take a good look at reliability if it's going to be an "only" bike.  I watched a video where someone went to India and snagged a Himalayan (different model but...) part way through their Adventure ride.  They got their money's worth. ;)  I think after the 1st day they had to bump start it to go anywhere.

Obviously issues can happen with any bike and they have a good warranty but there have been quite a few growing pains reported with that model.  I do believe Royal Enfield is trying to address the issues.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: JJ on October 01, 2018, 01:29:41 PM
I'd take a good look at reliability if it's going to be an "only" bike.  I watched a video where someone went to India and snagged a Himalayan (different model but...) part way through their Adventure ride.  They got their money's worth. ;)  I think after the 1st day they had to bump start it to go anywhere.

Obviously issues can happen with any bike and they have a good warranty but there have been quite a few growing pains reported with that model.  I do believe Royal Enfield is trying to address the issues.

Again, overall reliability is the big unknown here...

A riding buddy had his late model RE Bullet 500 "exploded" after only 20,000 miles.  He did FLOG it however, and it's amazing it last that long! (lol)  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: gliderjohn on October 01, 2018, 02:30:49 PM
If I am understanding correctly the "coming to the US" bikes are being made in a near new factory with all the latest robotic technology in use. My guess is that alone will up the quality/reliability quite a bit. They are a HUGE motorcycle company trying to seriously go worldwide so I am guessing that they realize their compitition and are putting some serious money into R&D and quality control...but then I have been wrong before. :laugh:
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: Rhodan on October 01, 2018, 03:08:55 PM
I also read they've set up an "pre-delivery inspection" location.  I'm not sure if it's intended to be temporary or permanent.  This is post-QA being done at the factory. 
They verify the bikes meet certain specs before they're shipped on to the dealers.  The March article appeared to indicate it was checks a dealer would normally do but RE wanted to remove them from circulation faster if there were issues.  https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/royal-enfield-addresses-himalayan-reliability-issues-in-india

From a flow perspective it seems like it would make more sense to do this in India but then again, I've never been in the motorcycle manufacturing/selling business so they may have their reasons.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on October 01, 2018, 04:34:58 PM
I'm really "digging" this bike. Priced right. Dealer in Silver Spring, MD. Hmm...

It's a nice looking scooter.. very British looking don't you know.. I like it.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: gliderjohn on October 01, 2018, 05:02:26 PM
From Luthier:
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444pounds with 40hp? Yuck!
Like an older Guzzi it is over engineered and overstressed. My first 11 years of riding was on a GS400 so this wouldn't be a disappointment power wise. If I bought one it would be for local off pavement roads with just a bit of two lane blacktop here and there. From what I have been reading here and there so far is it appears to be a fairly simple bike to maintain and repair and at best I am a simplton mechanic so we may be a match made in Heaven. :grin:
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on October 01, 2018, 06:30:06 PM

You know what?
My CX has about the same power to weight ratio and I find it can get me around pretty good even loaded for long distance travel.

It'll  even run with the modern Triumphs on tight twisty mountain roads in SoCal.

On tight twisty mountain roads, it's the guy swinging the hammer, not the name on the hammer handle..  :grin:
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: jas67 on October 01, 2018, 06:43:57 PM
I'd get a new Bonny over that any day or get a retro one from 2007 for much less money.

Used Triumph classics (Bonnie, T100, Thruxton 900, etc) and Guzzi V7's are going to tough competition for the RE 650's.  But, there are always those who want new, and this gives them a lower priced option in the classic/retro market.

Between the RE 650s and the V7, I'd pay the extra for the Guzzi just because its shaft drive, as I don't like cleaning chains.

The RE 650s are great looking bikes though, and many people could care less about shaft vs. chain.   

As I already have two V7's and a W650, I won't be jumping to buy one, but, I do hope they do well.

As others have said, don't screw up the quality, build out the dealer network, and they'll sell well.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: jas67 on October 01, 2018, 06:45:20 PM
Having bought 1 new dealer leftover 2012 Royal Enfield C5 bullet at less than $3,500 OTD I'd never EVER pay more than 60% of MSRP for any new RE. Wait 1 year until dealer stock is languishing on the floor and watch the prices drop worse than a 1 year old V7 series Guzzi.


I have nothing against the brand and would love to owned another RE. They just are not worth at or near MSRP.

Hmmm, you sound like a typical Guzzi buyer / owner.     :evil:
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: ohiorider on October 01, 2018, 07:06:38 PM
A fookin' Honda?  I know, an inline four doesn't produce the classical British exhaust tone, and its silhouette is definitely Honda, not Triumph or BSA.  However. after lots of fiddling with the suspension on my leftover 2014 CB1100, and getting it very close to where I want it, some of you might want to consider one of these leftovers.

I bought my 2014 Black Standard CB for $6995.00 over a year and a half ago, with very little extra going to the dealer.  Currently, some dealers are selling new leftover 2014's for $5995.00  That leaves a lot of $$ in the event the stock suspension doesn't work for you.

It is a lot of motorcycle for that price.  Air-cooled 1140cc dohc engine, 6 spd tranny, good instrumentation, lots of torque low down, and approx 88hp.

So, it isn't British Retro, it's Honda Retro.

It took me a while to adjust to Honda Retro, but I'm now used to it, and thoroughly enjoying this bike ..... probably the easiest riding bike I've ever owned.  Clutch takeup and throttle response are nice.  And the dual front discs don't require more than a couple of fingers to apply them.

Not Superbike-fast by today's standards, but I think it'd run with most of those bikes we remember as being 'blindingly fast' from the 1970s and 1980s.

Again ....lotta bike for the bucks.

Bob
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: jas67 on October 22, 2018, 07:58:21 PM
A very positive review from motorcycle.com:
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/royal-enfield/2019-royal-enfield-continental-gt-650-interceptor-650-review-first-ride.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/royal-enfield/2019-royal-enfield-continental-gt-650-interceptor-650-review-first-ride.html)

I'm really liking the Intercepter.   Sadly for RE, I'm very happy with my V7 III and W650, and don't need another modern classic twin.
Even with the price difference, the V7 beats the RE for me, because its shaft driven, but, if the RE 650 twins are of good quality, I'd likely choose one over the Triumph Street Twin, because it's air cooled, and likely a more genuine classic feeling ride, and likely lighter as well.

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Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: motogoro on October 22, 2018, 09:31:04 PM
Last Friday I rode a demo Interceptor on a spirited "memorial" ride.  Nice bike, particularly for city use.  I was impressed. 

If I wasn't so committed to Guzzi and the community we'd be buying a RE immediately as that light bike for my "golden years". 
Maybe, I can get Helen to replace her Sportster?  :wink: Unlikely.  :rolleyes: LOL

However, I am still on the lookout for a lighter bike than the Cal Vin...

Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: jas67 on October 22, 2018, 10:15:41 PM
However, I am still on the lookout for a lighter bike than the Cal Vin...

V7 III or V9.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: oilhed on October 23, 2018, 08:31:21 AM
I'm really liking the Intercepter.   Sadly for RE, I'm very happy with my V7 III and W650, and don't need another modern classic twin.
Even with the price difference, the V7 beats the RE for me, because its shaft driven, but, if the RE 650 twins are of good quality, I'd likely choose one over the Triumph Street Twin, because it's air cooled, and likely a more genuine classic feeling ride, and likely lighter as well.

WHAT HE SAID  :thumb:
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: leafman60 on October 23, 2018, 10:44:24 AM
Wow!  I was expecting something much heavier.  With only 40 hp from a 650 the engine is under-stressed and I would expect that to mean reliable, much like the V7.  At that price point these two offerings might even get some of the younger riders to buy.  Now it's up to Royal Enfield to not screw this up.

I think I read 47 HP.

.
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Post by: 73eldorado on October 23, 2018, 11:50:27 AM
The Interceptor looks like a winner to me! It definitely will compete with the V7 for sales in the entry market.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: Rough Edge racing on October 23, 2018, 12:15:37 PM
 Hmm, I'm too cheap to pay 8500 for that...But it looks like a motorcycle and an if it performs ok for what it is...Then it's a deal for someone
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Post by: Calculon on October 23, 2018, 02:39:17 PM
It's a nice looking bike for sure, but I'm not sure it's much of an upgrade over what I got now, other than the ABS.  I'm back to cleaning chain then too, so I'd rather have the shaft.  There's no dealers anywhere near me.  I wonder how that'll go.

According to specs on REs website, the weight of the Interceptor is 445 pounds without fuel, so maybe 470-480 pounds with fuel.  While while not chunky, I don't think it's a lightweight either.
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Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on October 23, 2018, 03:46:40 PM
Hmm, I'm too cheap to pay 8500 for that...But it looks like a motorcycle and an if it performs ok for what it is...Then it's a deal for someone

8500?

Royal Enfield    Continental GT 650                                                       Interceptor 650
MSRP    $5,999, $6,249 (Custom), $6,749 (Chrome)    $5,799, $5,999 (Custom), $6,499 (Chrome)
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on October 23, 2018, 04:12:47 PM
I like it but the 270deg crank is a show stopper for me.

Why? Seems like a good idea to me, better than a 180 or 360 crank IMO.
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Post by: kirkemon on October 23, 2018, 04:25:11 PM
I'd rather have a Kawasaki W650.
Bevel-gear overhead camshaft with 8 Valves

Manufacturer   Kawasaki
Production   19992007
Engine   676 cc (41 cu in)
Top speed   180 km/h (110 mph)[1]
Power   50 hp (37 kW)@7,000 rpm[1]
Wheelbase   1,455 mm (57.3 in)
Weight   195 kg (429 lb)[1] (dry)
Fuel capacity   15 l (3.3 imp gal; 4.0 US gal)
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on October 23, 2018, 04:33:25 PM
Ha!
Short answer...doesn't sound right...

:-)

So, you've already heard the 650 Enfield in person? I'll wait until I've seen, heard and maybe ridden them before making any judgements of that sort.
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Post by: tazio on October 23, 2018, 05:56:40 PM


.....Probably an old Norton in my future.

Hell yeah!!!
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Post by: Rough Edge racing on October 23, 2018, 06:26:24 PM
8500?

Royal Enfield    Continental GT 650                                                       Interceptor 650
MSRP    $5,999, $6,249 (Custom), $6,749 (Chrome)    $5,799, $5,999 (Custom), $6,499 (Chrome)

 I thought someone said 8500...I have no idea what new bikes cost...I would not  pay 6000 grand , lot of nice used bikes for less money...And  I can ride my 79 Bonneville for a true Brit bike experience...Every ride is an adventure... :laugh:
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Post by: ohiorider on October 23, 2018, 09:50:28 PM
Short answer...doesn't sound right...  Won't..fixed it poor choice of words.




No I have not, however the 270deg crank phasing will certainly not be the 360 timing I like very much..old Brit or BMW boxer. Just a personal preference, that's all.

Probably an old Norton in my future.
It's a personal thing with me, too.  I love the sound of a Brit-bike with 360 degree crank.  With balance shaft(s), you get the lovely sound without the vibes.  When I want 270 sound and feel, there's always a Guzzi or Ducati.  I was sorry to see Triumph abandon the 360 degree crank on their new range of Bonnevilles.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: Rough Edge racing on October 24, 2018, 05:32:42 AM
It's a personal thing with me, too.  I love the sound of a Brit-bike with 360 degree crank.  With balance shaft(s), you get the lovely sound without the vibes.  When I want 270 sound and feel, there's always a Guzzi or Ducati.  I was sorry to see Triumph abandon the 360 degree crank on their new range of Bonnevilles.

  Balance shafts add cost , weight and complexity...A 270 crank is a simple fix......
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Post by: kingoffleece on October 24, 2018, 05:39:55 AM
According to Triumph, when the new L/C motors were being developed the focus groups were all over the 270 as opposed to a 360 or 180.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: grebmrof on October 24, 2018, 06:54:31 AM
I think this new RE twin looks very interesting, I would be concerned about quality - but that won't become known until riders start to flog them - which will take a little while to come out.  WRT 270 vs 360 - doesn't bother me, both sound great and with the two newer Bonnevilles that I have, I have a 360 and a 270 and love them both.  The new '16 I have is a big improvement on my '08 but I don't really think it is worth over 2x the price of a nice used air cooled new Bonneville (w/carbs - '01-'08 in the states) - but I'm getting older and didn't want to wait to buy a used LC model to save some $$.
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Post by: oilhed on October 24, 2018, 07:08:53 AM
I'd rather have a Kawasaki W650.
Bevel-gear overhead camshaft with 8 Valves

Manufacturer   Kawasaki
Production   19992007
Engine   676 cc (41 cu in)
Top speed   180 km/h (110 mph)[1]
Power   50 hp (37 kW)@7,000 rpm[1]
Wheelbase   1,455 mm (57.3 in)
Weight   195 kg (429 lb)[1] (dry)
Fuel capacity   15 l (3.3 imp gal; 4.0 US gal)

Absolutely. should bought one in 2001
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Post by: tris on October 24, 2018, 08:28:59 AM
RE have invested 2.5M in a new Technology Center over here recently so hopefully the quality will be there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgXA-KV9lRg

I was looking at a Himalayan a month or so back - nice bike

A  competitor to the V85 TT perhaps?
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Post by: steven c on October 24, 2018, 08:53:33 AM
 At around 7:20 they do a drive by with sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQMA_7WXbI&t=59s
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Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on October 25, 2018, 04:13:12 PM
A couple more videos:
https://youtu.be/k6R8XFiEbhQ
https://youtu.be/TOz3E7qs1M4
https://youtu.be/JrmXmHRk0HE
https://youtu.be/2y1vouT8BmE
https://youtu.be/zB3xXzeMrz0
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Post by: Beowulf on October 25, 2018, 04:33:27 PM
I like the looks of this bike. Wouldn't mind trying it. Have to admit i do not have confidence in Royal enfield reliability. I read about problems and recent lawsuits with the Himalayan model which i guess been worked out.  To be honest im more pumped for the v85. Im curious to see how Royal Enfield holds up. I hope it does well it looks nice.
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Post by: jumpmaster on October 25, 2018, 05:23:54 PM
A couple more videos:
https://youtu.be/k6R8XFiEbhQ
https://youtu.be/TOz3E7qs1M4
https://youtu.be/JrmXmHRk0HE
https://youtu.be/2y1vouT8BmE
https://youtu.be/zB3xXzeMrz0

Entertaining videos, Charlie - Thanks.  Aside from the reliability issue still in question, my only other concern is that the seat on the cruiser looks a bit thin to be comfortable.  However, I'm tempted to start looking for a buyer for my Norton to make room for a more modern "classic".  The Norton is great fun, but the riding time:maintenance downtime ratio is finally wearing me down!  And seeing another Royal Enfield, especially a 650, on the road with me would be nearly as rare as seeing another Norton  :grin:  On the other hand, even a trashed Norton has a better resale value and potential than a 2 or 3 y.o. R.E., so I'd take a bath on resale if I got tired of it...
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Post by: gliderjohn on October 25, 2018, 05:57:22 PM
Sounds a bit like a Guzzi. Wait till you can buy one for a song used that has already been sorted and may end up with an inexpensive reasonably reliable bike.
GliderJohn
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Post by: Chuck in Indiana on October 25, 2018, 06:14:18 PM
Quote
a 2 or 3 y.o. R.E., so I'd take a bath on resale if I got tired of it...

They don't cost much, so I'd say, maybe a sponge bath. If you want a really good bath, buy a new BMW, and decide you don't like it.. :evil: :smiley:
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Post by: jumpmaster on October 25, 2018, 06:56:07 PM
They don't cost much, so I'd say, maybe a sponge bath. If you want a really good bath, buy a new BMW, and decide you don't like it.. :evil: :smiley:

LOL.  The only BMW that would even tempt me would be a 77 or 78 R100RS.  I had a 77 in 1987-88 & then sold it - immediately regretted it.  I've let a couple of them slip by me in the past 10 yrs that were REALLY good buys, but didn't have the space to keep one then, danged it!  Maybe I can find someone willing to trade me even for my Norton - just like maybe I'll win the next big lottery prize & I can buy a house with a bigger garage.
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Post by: kingoffleece on October 26, 2018, 05:51:02 AM
I'll buy the low mile used bike from the guy who doesn't mod the seat (easy to mod :evil: and almost a must on any motorcycle) or the guy who decides the internal cadence is too much to live with (no matter to me) and save 3000K!
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Post by: bpreynolds on October 26, 2018, 08:12:29 AM
I would certainly, absolutely buy either of these bikes before I'd buy a Street Twin.  The ST a superlative motorcycle but Triumph have almost engineered any hint of character out of them.  Having said this, there are a host - and I mean A LOT - of leftover V7s out there now to be had on dealer floors for as little as $6k-7k.  And make no mistake, the Guzzi would be my vast preference no matter how much I could possibly enjoy the RE.  That's just me, I love Guzzis.
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Post by: oilhed on October 26, 2018, 08:39:43 AM
LOL.  The only BMW that would even tempt me would be a 77 or 78 R100RS.  I had a 77 in 1987-88 & then sold it - immediately regretted it.

I had a R65 (long frame with monoshock, single sided swingarm) always wanted one.  Bought it used then sold it so I could buy a new Ducati.  Always regretted it.

maybe I'll win the next big lottery prize & I can buy a house with a bigger garage.

If I do I'm renting a storage unit down the street from me to hold 2-3 motorcycles.  And buying a new Honda Super Cub 125 to keep at the house.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: kingoffleece on October 26, 2018, 10:02:31 AM
Naw, get a big shed and hold 2-3 DOZEN if you win!
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Post by: Mayakovski on October 27, 2018, 07:15:44 PM
It's sort of light weight.  Don't forget to add 30 to 40 lbs for fuel, I suspect the stated weight is dry.
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Post by: rdbandkab on December 12, 2018, 07:24:55 AM
Looks like I have a couple RE dealers closer to me than my Guzzi dealer..   :shocked:
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Post by: s1120 on December 12, 2018, 08:09:07 AM
I really like the looks of them, and for me anyways the dealer network seems stronger then MG!!  Im "pretty" confident that the QC will be OK.. the singles have some time in the US, and seem to be holding up ok.. and they look well put together.. Im also thinking that RE will be putting its best bikes over here because they seem to want the US market..  That being said, the gamble to me is if the brand will stay in the US...  But thats why your paying less then 7k... its the unknown..  I cant wait to see one, and maybe Ill take a run to my local dealer come spring, and see how they compare to the MG..
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Post by: ohiorider on December 12, 2018, 09:59:52 AM
I already have 2 in the garage....opps, they are those non authentic Bloor Bonnevilles.... :wink:
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Those "non authentic" Bloor Bonnevilles are good machines, whether a 790 or 865cc model.  I found my 2003 Centennial Edition to be good around town or on the road.  BTW - is the one in the pic with the blue fender a 2002/2003 model, with the lovely blue and white paint on the tank separated by a tasteful red pinstripe?

Bob
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Post by: Shorty on December 12, 2018, 10:30:41 AM
Those "non authentic" Bloor Bonnevilles are good machines, whether a 790 or 865cc model.  I found my 2003 Centennial Edition to be good around town or on the road.  BTW - is the one in the pic with the blue fender a 2002/2003 model, with the lovely blue and white paint on the tank separated by a tasteful red pinstripe?

Bob

Hi Bob. The Blue one is a 2005, Aegean Blue. Mated to a Dnepr sidecar. Not sure what is on the tank; it has a Triumph "68" Union Jack tank cover on it. I'm afraid to look under it.  :wink:  The maroon one is a 2001, with a January 2001 MFR date. An early model. Both 790s.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: sliphorn on December 12, 2018, 03:15:07 PM
I saw the Continental GT and Interceptor last Saturday at an open house at Windy City Triumph in St Charles, IL. They're a multi line dealer, Piaggio group, Triumph, and recently picked up BMW and Royal Enfield. RE brought the two models down from their US headquarters in Milwaukee. They look great and sound great too. They fired up the Interceptor and it had that loping sound I love.

The fit and finish is good; better than I thought it would be considering the price. Apparently, because of their close proximity to S&S cycles, they have been working with them and are developing some aftermarket goodies. All in all, a nice bike. I also took a good look at the Himalayan, and it's nice too. They had a white one for $3999. Geez!
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Post by: azccj on December 12, 2018, 04:57:03 PM
I can't speak to the new 650 but I do own a Royal Enfield Himalayan. I also own a new Honda Africa Twin DCT. If I was to choose between the two which one to take on an around the world trip the Himalayan would win hands down. It's simple, easy to work on, and handles twice as good as the African Twin off road, even through the Africa Twin has Ohlins suspension :shocked:. If the speed limit is 65 or below, the Himalayan is the way to go. If there is any off-roading the Himalayan is the way to go. If all the miles are going to be on the interstate the Africa Twin beats the Himalayan silly, as the AT just eats miles with ease.
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Post by: DorsetBlue on December 13, 2018, 04:31:09 AM
The BS4 model of the Himalayan is the version released in the UK (and probably the USA).  It has apparently fixed the initial reliability issues with the earlier versions, which were only released in India.
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Post by: twowings on March 08, 2019, 07:59:35 PM
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Post by: kingoffleece on March 09, 2019, 06:11:22 AM
THAT was very interesting.
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Post by: Aaron D. on March 09, 2019, 07:22:04 AM
RE twins, V7 Guzzis, all sorts of really great bikes.

I do not think motorcycling is dying.
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Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 09, 2019, 07:26:15 AM
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We ride through the oasis-like Wheeler Springs before climbing up into the mountains south of Dry Lake ridge. Empty roads combine with spectacular views and hundreds of deftly cambered corners to create a genuine bucket-list ride.

Ooh, 33 out of Ojai..  :thumb: Thanks for the reminder. I'll be out in a few weeks.  :smiley:
Oh, I think they have a hit. If I didn't have a similar bike in the AeroLario, I'd probably be a player.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: steven c on March 09, 2019, 07:52:49 AM
RE twins, V7 Guzzis, all sorts of really great bikes.

I do not think motorcycling is dying.
Hopefully  :bike-037:but not dying just going in a different direction. Affordable fun bikes.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: timonbik on March 09, 2019, 08:44:44 AM
I saw them at the Toronto Bike Show up here in Canuckistan.  I thought they were a good looking bike until I asked the sales rep what one was worth.  So much for the $7000 bike that I heard all the hype about.   They were talking $8500 plus tax for the Roadster and even more for the Continental.  Sorry but you can get a brand new Suzuki SV650X up here for $7800 any day of the week.  May not have the funky styling but in the long run a much better bike with an actual dealer network and support. 

Tim
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Post by: Buckturgidson on March 09, 2019, 04:46:56 PM
The BS4 model of the Himalayan is the version released in the UK (and probably the USA).  It has apparently fixed the initial reliability issues with the earlier versions, which were only released in India.
I am keeping my eye out for a secondhand Himalayan, it could be the right bike for fire roads in Nor-Cal. Hopefully someone buys a new one, gets bored, and lets ot go cheap. I have a fondness for simple low-powered singles. Just not all the time.
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Post by: Petrus Rocks on March 09, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
I saw/sat on both styles-same ones as in the test (first two in the US).  Both models were present at the Winter Cycletherapy in Hammondsport NY at the Curtiss Museum. They feel good, wish there was a bit more power but if under stressed plenty of hop up potential.  Build quality was nice.  Not top heavy, plenty of curb appeal ( more than an SV650).
I'm into mostly vintage stuff so it's a bit new for me. Wouldn't take the place of my old Triumph.
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Post by: toolittletime on March 10, 2019, 09:08:42 AM
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Great article............ ...Tim
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Post by: JJ on March 10, 2019, 03:43:09 PM
Stopped at the Royal Enfield dealer in the Scottsdale Airpark yesterday...a few left-over 500cc Bullets, one Himalayan...and no 650 INT's yet. They said the 650's were coming sometime in June.  Two left-over MOTUS bikes, also... :thumb: :cool: :wink:


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Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650's US bound - motorcycledaily
Post by: JJ on March 20, 2019, 10:20:00 AM
Vintage Royal Enfield..."Made Like A Gun!"  :thumb: :cool: :smiley:


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Post by: canuck750 on March 20, 2019, 08:13:38 PM
I like the original one

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/mcy/d/mountain-view-1970-royal-enfield/6835368828.html

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And the new one looks pretty good as well