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Title: JAWA making a comeback?!?
Post by: JJ on October 12, 2018, 08:28:10 AM
BUELL is gone...Victory is gone...MOTUS is gone...Royal Enfiield is back, Triumph has been back for years...

Forget about new buyers for Moto Guzzi....who is going to buy a JAWA? 

Answer:  Probably everywhere but the USA. (lol) :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

https://www.indiatoday.in/auto/auto-news/story/jawa-motorcycles-confirmed-to-make-a-comeback-engine-specs-revealed-1366451-2018-10-11
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Post by: roadscum on October 12, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
Yep, I'd buy it in a heart beat. It's a beautiful think!!

Paul
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Post by: molly on October 12, 2018, 08:47:09 AM
You really need some seriously rose tinted glasses to want a road going Jawa.
Title: Re: JAWA making a comeback?!?
Post by: JJ on October 12, 2018, 08:55:35 AM
Yep, I'd buy it in a heart beat. It's a beautiful think!!

Paul

Remember the 350 California?  Always thought they were interesting... :thumb: :cool: :smiley:  Would like to see one in person...ride one...then comment :laugh: :grin: :wink:


(https://thumb.ibb.co/cko7jU/Screen-Shot-2018-10-12-at-6-53-46-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/cko7jU)
Title: Re: JAWA making a comeback?!?
Post by: JJ on October 12, 2018, 08:58:08 AM
You really need some seriously rose tinted glasses to want a road going Jawa.

 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :laugh: :grin: :wink:


(https://thumb.ibb.co/c7aZyp/Screen-Shot-2018-10-12-at-6-56-31-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/c7aZyp)

(https://thumb.ibb.co/bRhsjU/Screen-Shot-2018-10-12-at-6-56-56-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/bRhsjU)
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Post by: guzzisteve on October 12, 2018, 09:55:17 AM
I'm glad the Indian's like it.
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Post by: Tusayan on October 12, 2018, 10:06:49 AM
I like creativity in motorcycle design, I even like when that creativity tips its hat to past designers by rolling in some classic design elements. But I really don't like the endless recycling of 20th century brand names and Xerox copying old motorcycles in the hope of cashing in without creativity.
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Post by: Don G on October 12, 2018, 10:07:26 AM
Enfield never left! DonG
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Post by: JJ on October 12, 2018, 02:27:43 PM
They made some cool bikes over the decades!! :thumb: :cool: :smiley:


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Title: Re: JAWA making a comeback?!?
Post by: AJ Huff on October 12, 2018, 08:45:23 PM
Looks good to me!

-AJ
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Post by: Aaron D. on October 12, 2018, 08:52:55 PM
The photos are nice, but are not a picture of the engine described in the article.
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Post by: Aaron D. on October 12, 2018, 08:56:11 PM
Here is a link to the Mahindra Jawa.
https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/auto/mahindra-resurrect-iconic-jawa-motorcycles-india-production-july/story/279733.html

Nice basic bike, but certainly not styled to look like the Jawa 2 stroke in the first article.
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Post by: John A on October 12, 2018, 09:44:30 PM
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=K%2bGREgAZ&id=053BA5FB9230B6D0CD29BEDD4EF10DAFE5DE0A75&thid=OIP.b6u29NjyhBszgvYKdy6fTwHaFj&q=speedway+jawa&simid=608002908850227414&selectedIndex=13
This is the Jawa I like. 500cc's, about a hundred horse, no brakes
Title: Re: JAWA making a comeback?!?
Post by: Kiwi Dave on October 12, 2018, 10:20:31 PM
They made a racer too.  At the Solvang Motorcycle Museum .......


(https://thumb.ibb.co/hLQ3b9/Jawa-Racer.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hLQ3b9)
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Post by: JamesNFalconaut on October 13, 2018, 12:54:14 AM
Modern versions of old Jawas sold by F2 Motorcycles in Cambridgeshire

http://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/
Title: Re: JAWA making a comeback?!?
Post by: pete roper on October 13, 2018, 06:30:06 AM
You really need some seriously rose tinted glasses to want a road going Jawa.

I couldn't disagree more Dave. I had a 350 with a Velorex chair on it in the very early eighties. It was brilliant. A really outstanding motorbike. I wish I still had it. Truly.

Pete
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Post by: Ncdan on October 13, 2018, 05:16:52 PM
I couldn't disagree more Dave. I had a 350 with a Velorex chair on it in the very early eighties. It was brilliant. A really outstanding motorbike. I wish I still had it. Truly.

Pete
Yea Pete but don't you also own and ride horses, lol,just bored and thought I'd chime in this evening 😀
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Post by: Testarossa on October 13, 2018, 06:01:42 PM
In the late '60s Jawa had a reputation as the poor man's BMW -- a simple bulletproof reliable machine, much more dependable than any Britbike. I think it was the only motorcycle listed in the original Whole Earth Catalog. One of my college friends had one and it was, in fact, a clean-running 2-stroke workhorse. In the summer of 1968 I hitchhiked around Western Europe and the Jawa 350 was the touring bike of choice for kids doing the youth hostel circuit -- Europe on $5/day.
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Post by: Sasquatch Jim on October 13, 2018, 07:19:18 PM
Way backing the mid sixties I had a Jawa 250.  single cylinder with two exhaust pipes and a frame that fit me very well.
 I was doing some off roading with it, ( it was called a Moto cross model)and it blew up.  Broken crank destroyed the whole
lower engine.  I couldn't get parts back then so I put in a Honda 305 engine.  It was better than original with more power.
 The frame gave it great handling and it fit my body size much better than anything else on the market.  I put an off road sidecar
 on it and it was an unstoppable animal when geared for about sixty top end.  I miss that bike.
Title: Re: JAWA making a comeback?!?
Post by: pete roper on October 13, 2018, 08:07:09 PM
Yea Pete but don't you also own and ride horses, lol,just bored and thought I'd chime in this evening 😀

Horses! God forbid! Glue inthe making! Horrible, dangerous things.
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Post by: Shorty on October 13, 2018, 10:35:42 PM
My first rides on the road were on a Jawa/CZ 175 2 smoke.   I will look at them if they emerge.  :grin:


(https://thumb.ibb.co/gziHM9/Dad-on-CZ.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gziHM9)
Title: Re: JAWA making a comeback?!?
Post by: molly on October 14, 2018, 12:37:57 PM
I couldn't disagree more Dave. I had a 350 with a Velorex chair on it in the very early eighties. It was brilliant. A really outstanding motorbike. I wish I still had it. Truly.

Pete

Bloody hell, they must be putting some decent rocket fuel in the old amber nectar these days.
Title: Re: JAWA making a comeback?!?
Post by: JJ on October 14, 2018, 04:57:22 PM
C'mon now...let's be a little objective, shall we?!?  :wink: :wink: :wink:..this does not look too shabby to me!! :laugh: :grin: :wink: :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh: :thumb: :cool: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:


(https://thumb.ibb.co/d2Dso0/Screen-Shot-2018-10-14-at-2-55-39-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/d2Dso0)
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Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on October 14, 2018, 05:37:18 PM
Here is a link to the Mahindra Jawa.
https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/auto/mahindra-resurrect-iconic-jawa-motorcycles-india-production-july/story/279733.html

Nice basic bike, but certainly not styled to look like the Jawa 2 stroke in the first article.

I believe you'll find that is the Jawa currently being produced and linked to by "JamesNFalconaut": http://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/350OHC.html

The way I understand it, the forthcoming Mahindra version will use the stylized engine for an even more retro look.
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Post by: craigclu on October 14, 2018, 06:55:33 PM
By chance, earlier today, this photo was posted from a photo enthusiast taken in a small museum in the Czech Republic.  The first Jawa of 1929.  Note the drive system:


(https://thumb.ibb.co/nPp1WL/jawa-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nPp1WL)
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Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on October 14, 2018, 07:44:40 PM
By chance, earlier today, this photo was posted from a photo enthusiast taken in a small museum in the Czech Republic.  The first Jawa of 1929.  Note the drive system:


(https://thumb.ibb.co/nPp1WL/jawa-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nPp1WL)


Reminds me of a more colorful BMW R35.

(http://vintagebikescollection.com/file/bmw_r35_1939/img_4.jpg)
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Post by: Muzz on October 14, 2018, 11:38:31 PM
They made a racer too.  At the Solvang Motorcycle Museum .......


(https://thumb.ibb.co/hLQ3b9/Jawa-Racer.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hLQ3b9)


I seem to remember seeing a photo of a 500cc Jawa racer where the motor looked like a twin except it had little caps in the head to adjust the tappets. It looked nothing like that photo.
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Post by: pete roper on October 14, 2018, 11:57:38 PM
Before the Prague Spring Jawa were contenders. In '67 they campaigned a 500cc V4, it took Honda 20+ years to catch up. After '68 the soviets blocked use of any western parts and punished the factory's decadence by making the race engineers stick a sledgehammer through the race engines. Word has it though that a couple of them were 'Buried' in the factory grounds and have since been exhumed! There are certainly a lot of Jawa GP bikes that were supposed to have been sent to the crusher to show the power of the proletariat that have mysteriously reappeared at classic meetings in Europe.......

Pete
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Post by: Sasquatch Jim on October 15, 2018, 10:30:08 AM
Horses! God forbid! Glue inthe making! Horrible, dangerous things.
And if you trim off the fat, they taste good too.  I learned that during the contrived beef shortage in the early 70s  The wife and I used to go to a horse meat market in Portland in those days. Ah, Spencer steak.
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Post by: Steph on October 15, 2018, 11:57:31 AM
Before the Prague Spring Jawa were contenders. In '67 they campaigned a 500cc V4, it took Honda 20+ years to catch up. After '68 the soviets blocked use of any western parts and punished the factory's decadence by making the race engineers stick a sledgehammer through the race engines. Word has it though that a couple of them were 'Buried' in the factory grounds and have since been exhumed! There are certainly a lot of Jawa GP bikes that were supposed to have been sent to the crusher to show the power of the proletariat that have mysteriously reappeared at classic meetings in Europe.......

Pete

This 350cc 4 cylinders two stroke looked awesome at the Stafford Classic bike show yesterday:

(https://thumb.ibb.co/gMB10f/BB2-B68-AB-F04-D-4-BF0-98-C1-024-CAC2019-A1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gMB10f)

(https://thumb.ibb.co/hv83D0/2-B2-A5-E3-D-4414-451-C-89-B4-C562-BADA54-CC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hv83D0)
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Post by: Tusayan on October 15, 2018, 01:59:28 PM
The Jawa V4 racers were notably unreliable, seizing and otherwise self destructing regularly from 1967 and eventually in 1969 that killed Bill Ivy, one the riders.

https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/more-classic-motorcycles/classic-jawa-motorcycles/1967-jawa-350-v4-zmcz16jazhur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ivy

Prior to riding the Jawa, Bill Ivy did well on the water cooled V4 Yamahas that came out in 1965.  They were much better.