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Title: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 18, 2019, 12:55:32 PM
There's a new V7iii (2017 holdover) in my future.  I'm trying to come up with a list of things to do immediately to the bike. I'll likely have the dealer do a number of them; it's not like we're in the middle of riding weather anyway.

Anyone know if the new V7 iii's still need the NGK spark plug boot change? 
If yes, someone (Artem) suggested these would work (love WildGuzzi search):  "Although many claim "NGK 8072 XD05F Plug Caps" fit V7III 2017-..., they DO NOT. V7III have different to V7II cover. I've tried few options and "NGK 8052 VD05F Plug Cap" do the job with "NGK 2306 CPR8EA-9 Standard Plugs""

I'll have the fuel filter replaced with all-metal.
I'll have them lube the splines.  Sounds like they're dryyyyyy a lot of the time coming from the factory.
I will check the clutch cable and make sure it's no longer sitting right on the cylinder.  If it is, I'll (loosely) zip tie it up.

Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Kev m on January 18, 2019, 02:29:04 PM
There's a new V7iii (2017 holdover) in my future.  I'm trying to come up with a list of things to do immediately to the bike. I'll likely have the dealer do a number of them; it's not like we're in the middle of riding weather anyway.

Anyone know if the new V7 iii's still need the NGK spark plug boot change? 
If yes, someone (Artem) suggested these would work (love WildGuzzi search):  "Although many claim "NGK 8072 XD05F Plug Caps" fit V7III 2017-..., they DO NOT. V7III have different to V7II cover. I've tried few options and "NGK 8052 VD05F Plug Cap" do the job with "NGK 2306 CPR8EA-9 Standard Plugs""

I'll have the fuel filter replaced with all-metal.
I'll have them lube the splines.  Sounds like they're dryyyyyy a lot of the time coming from the factory.
I will check the clutch cable and make sure it's no longer sitting right on the cylinder.  If it is, I'll (loosely) zip tie it up.


I'm not doing any of that crap to our new Carbon.

We're going to ride it, then perform the first service and SEE if any of those things are needed.

I also think the whole spline lube crap (not recommended by the factory but slavishly pursued to by former BMW owners around here is just a case of paranoia).

If either of my smallblocks gets to 100k miles an needs a coupler I'll replace it then.

If my fuel filter doesn't fail in the first 1000 miles, it's not going to anytime soon, I'll replace it IF and when the tank ever has to come off.

etc.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: sign216 on January 18, 2019, 02:45:15 PM
Rhodan,

There was a recall a while ago re rear brake cable chafing on bodywork, possibly failing.  Easy to fix. 

Joe

P.S.  About your screen name, didn't "Rhodan" battle Godzilla?
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 18, 2019, 03:32:27 PM
P.S.  About your screen name, didn't "Rhodan" battle Godzilla?

Rhodan did indeed.  Given it up recently due to arthritic knees.

I'd forgotten about the recall, thank you.  I'll make sure they cover that if it's needed. 
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 18, 2019, 03:41:45 PM
Kev, you'll undoutedly be fine. 

I'm having them check the splines on my bike.  They're happy to do it as part of their setup fees so two thumbs up.  It'll be interesting to hear what they find.

My older V7 went years on the half metal fuel filter but easy enough to change so I'm having them do it now.

They said no worries on these NGK plugs though they've dealt with the issue on older bikes.

As Joe called out, I'm going to check on the recall.

Overall really pleased with the new dealership so far.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Moto on January 18, 2019, 03:45:14 PM
I'd be more concerned about the swing arm bearing lubrication. I believe this has been reported as a continuing problem for the small blocks (as well as the big blocks), but I could be mistaken.

It could wait till the first service interval or later, but maybe you can negotiate a better deal for the service if you do it now.

Moto
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 18, 2019, 03:55:25 PM
Thanks Moto, that's small block as well as CARC?  I'd seen a couple CARC posts but breezed by them because I didn't think they applied to this bike.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Kev m on January 18, 2019, 04:58:23 PM
I've never heard Roper or others talk about removing the swingarm on smallblocks for greasing.

And unless I'm getting forgetful I've also never heard him or Guzzisteve suggest we need to remove the driveshaft to grease the splines, though I did once on the Stone.

But reading the more recent thread on the subject has me thinking there's an engineered weak point designed to take the wear and be replaced a LONG time from now and greasing doesn't seem to change that so....

YMMV

Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on January 18, 2019, 09:37:18 PM

swinging arm bearings are sealed on sb, greased from supplier
think new is same
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Moto on January 18, 2019, 10:06:58 PM
I must be wrong about remembering a swing arm grease problem on the small blocks. Sigh.

Moto
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Mean Mr. Mustard on January 18, 2019, 10:14:39 PM
The stock suspension on my '17 VIII Special trashed my back. I replaced it with Ikon shocks and springs. It now handles better and my back couldn't be happier!
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Pizza Guzzi on January 19, 2019, 05:41:40 AM
v7/3 and v9 have 2 uj’s no weak link swiveling coupler , system should be much better but still interesting whether factory assemble dry or lubed
swinging arm bearings are sealed on sb, greased from supplier
think new is same

V7 111 has single u joint and yes swingarm bearings are sealed races.
On mine the splined coupler was greased from the factory with what looked like a moly grease. The splines on the u joint end we're dry from the factory, well covered in water/condensation from leaking boot  but dry in terms of grease.

Glenn.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: bpreynolds on January 19, 2019, 06:29:50 AM
Hey Rhonda, as you know I’ve owned both the V9 and the V7III previously, in addition to many Geese before them.  Glad you are on the lookout for issues, but honestly, these bikes are ready to ride more than any Guzzis I’ve had before them.  Just twist the throttle and grin  :wink:  Big congrats.  Post the pics for sure after you get it.   :thumb:
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 19, 2019, 09:01:24 AM
Here is my opinion for what it is worth. 

If the bike is going to be a daily commuter and ridden rain or shine and parked outside in the elements then you want to perform periodic maintenance and preventative maintenance now and more frequently.

My Carbon is a trophy bike.  It sits raised up on my lift after every ride so I can wipe it down.  I will never intentionally ride it in the rain.  It will never sit outside in the elements. 

For my riding style I felt the need to upgrade the suspension and since I have the funds went with Fully adjustable cartridges in the front and the best "red" spring shocks I could get.  I had to get Italian shocks for my Italian bike. 

With my work and work travel schedule my time is very limited so during the 2 year warranty period I am going to have my dealer perform all maintenance so I build up a good report with them.  I have shared photos of my Carbon riding adventures with them that they have forwarded on to Moto Guzzi.  When my bike is in for service I use the time to test ride as many of the used bikes on the showroom floor that I can squeeze in which fulfills my life ambition to ride as many different bikes as I can.  On the used bikes they have no problem with me adding another 50 miles or so on the bikes.

Lately, I have been riding as many different adventure style bikes as possible with the anticipation that I will get to ride the V85 and determine if it is a bike I might want to own.  It is a very unique and cool looking bike among the competitors in this segment.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 19, 2019, 10:16:29 AM
I'll definitely post pics and thanks for the additional thoughts.  It will definitely be a daily or at least weekly rider and I want to take trips on it.  I likely won't give it the full pampering it deserves.

I'm going to ride it a bit and then make a decision on the suspension and seat height.  I can tell the suspension is better than the 2013 V7 I had. The seat feels lower than the 2013; I may want to raise it.  I am getting some risers to change the hip/back angle a bit.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: bpreynolds on January 19, 2019, 10:34:43 AM

I'm going to ride it a bit and then make a decision on the suspension and seat height.  I can tell the suspension is better than the 2013 V7 I had. The seat feels lower than the 2013; I may want to raise it.  I am getting some risers to change the hip/back angle a bit.

Smart move on riding it a bit before any changes.  I'm sure upgraded shocks are beneficial for some/many, but when I got my first V7 ('15) I immediately thought oh boy, this pogo pad is gonna need some new shocks; however, after about 600 miles I kinda forgot about it.  Of course, that was back when my back was in better shape than it is now  :laugh: but that's another topic.

Hey, if you go the Madstad route for a shield be aware that it will not work with some risers and such due to the Madstad bolting up at the handlebar clamp.  Sometimes it can merely be remedied with longer bolts, spacers, etc., but then other times it just plain won't work.  Just something to be mindful about if you do buy the Madstad.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: jbell on January 19, 2019, 11:18:50 AM


I also think the whole spline lube crap (not recommended by the factory but slavishly pursued to by former BMW owners around here is just a case of paranoia).

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I'm sure you're right about Guzzis, but yes, that is the first commandment for BMW ownership.  As a matter of fact, I have a mural in my garage with the hand of the Almighty pointing at me (similar to Uncle Sam poster), "Thou shalt remember to lube thine splines."
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 19, 2019, 11:36:26 AM
Hey, if you go the Madstad route for a shield be aware that it will not work with some risers and such due to the Madstad bolting up at the handlebar clamp.  Sometimes it can merely be remedied with longer bolts, spacers, etc., but then other times it just plain won't work.  Just something to be mindful about if you do buy the Madstad.

Good to know!  You don't happen to have any pictures lying around that show the section where the Madstad bolts to the handlebar clamp do you?  I'll check out their site too and see if I can find a diagram. 
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 19, 2019, 12:11:36 PM
Does this look like yours?  I see what you mean about connected to the bar clamps.


(https://i.ibb.co/FJL2jvh/Scrambler-backview-01-6c4decfd-ac15-4a09-b822-eb0e349e8d51-large.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FJL2jvh)


If that's accurate, I'll keep it in mind as I look at risers.  Thanks!
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: usedtobefast on January 19, 2019, 12:29:09 PM
Every 200 miles or so you'll need to remove the gas cap and fill the tank.   :thumb: :evil: :grin:
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 19, 2019, 12:50:44 PM
Every 200 miles or so you'll need to remove the gas cap and fill the tank.   :thumb: :evil: :grin:
   :shocked:  Wow!  That's a short maintenance interval!   :boozing:
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on January 19, 2019, 05:45:04 PM
V7 111 has single u joint and yes swingarm bearings are sealed races.
On mine the splined coupler was greased from the factory with what looked like a moly grease. The splines on the u joint end we're dry from the factory, well covered in water/condensation from leaking boot  but dry in terms of grease.

Glenn.
thanks, i read somewhere that v7/3 used same as v9 pic below
i want this rear end for my sb 8 valve
now I know it is only a v9 that has it, hopefully a crashed one will turn up at auction
why not on v7 another question altogether

(https://i.ibb.co/c3s8Y7H/B02-BDB3-E-E361-4-F5-A-82-E2-094-D4-C6-E1-F98.png) (https://ibb.co/c3s8Y7H)
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Kev m on January 19, 2019, 06:27:36 PM
   :shocked:  Wow!  That's a short maintenance interval!   :boozing:

Don't worry, the barbarian that I am, I almost never perform that procedure till after AT LEAST 250 miles.

On my 13 the light (since I relocated the sensor) doesn't even come on till 4.0g used (exactly), and that usually means it doesn't even come on till 200-220 miles, and even then I know I've got at least 1g of usable for left....

YMMV and all that... But I hear these III's are even better. But we haven't even burned through enough fuel to confirm yet.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Andy1 on January 20, 2019, 12:44:15 PM
Kev - how did you relocate the fuel level sensor?  It may be very obvious but I have not been inside the tank yet.
On my 2014 Stone the warning light comes on much too early and I end up ignoring it.....if it came on with 5L left it would be more useful.
Andyb
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Kev m on January 20, 2019, 02:08:40 PM
Kev - how did you relocate the fuel level sensor?  It may be very obvious but I have not been inside the tank yet.
On my 2014 Stone the warning light comes on much too early and I end up ignoring it.....if it came on with 5L left it would be more useful.
Andyb

I can look in my archives next time I'm at the desk top to see if I have any photos.

But there were two versions of the fuel level sensor in the early metal tanks.

The earliest version was secured to the fuel pump with two screws (one upper and one lower).

For those sensors simply remove the two screws and slide the sensor lower on the pump housing until the upper screw hole in the sensor aligns with the lower hole in the housing. Secure the sensor in this position using just the one screw (since the lower hole in the sensor no longer aligns with anything in this position).

My low fuel light changed from coming on around 3.6g used to exactly 4.0g which was perfect. From coming on at maybe 180 miles and still having about 100 miles in reserve to now coming on only after 200+ miles and having at least another gallon/50 miles in reserve

If the later sensor is used already on the pump I don't think you can lower it.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Andy1 on January 20, 2019, 04:08:01 PM
Thanks Kev - alternatively I guess I could drop something into the bottom of the tank to reduce the reserve volume - NO!   :laugh:

Andyb
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: rider33 on January 20, 2019, 04:28:55 PM
Hey Rhonda, as you know I’ve owned both the V9 and the V7III previously, in addition to many Geese before them.  Glad you are on the lookout for issues, but honestly, these bikes are ready to ride more than any Guzzis I’ve had before them.  Just twist the throttle and grin  :wink:  Big congrats.  Post the pics for sure after you get it.   :thumb:

this.  I've owned a lot of bikes and it's pretty rare that I buy one and leave it stock for very long.  The '17 V7/50 tho, other than lowering the pegs (I'm tall, Slingshot Racing pegs) and adding the centerstand (OEM,  no chain so more of a garage space saving thing) it's bone-stock.  Nor has it give me any trouble in the first year or two of ownership.  IMHO this is a bike that is well sorted and much more reliable than the 'Italian Thing' reputation might suggest.  Honestly, I've had more troubles with my Honda's than I've had with this bike.  Just buy it, ride it, and try not to grin so wide that you obsure your view of the road ahead...
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: SmithSwede on January 20, 2019, 05:01:58 PM
Some thoughts.  Like Kev mentioned, the reserve light comes on about 60 miles before you run out, which is longer than most bikes I've ridden.  At first I thought it was weird and was going to modify the sensor.  But I've come to strongly prefer the 60 mile warning.   With a 60 mile warning, I can forget about tracking total mileage since fill up.  I can now just ride in peace, until the light comes on, and then I only have to worry about tracking the 60 miles remaining.  And a 60 mile warning means you have plenty of warning, even if the light comes on after you passed the last exit 5 miles earlier.  Just go to the next one.  With only a 30 mile warning, you might be tempted to turn around and go back.   

Second, if you or the service guy are going to be at the driveshaft, I would lube them.  Personally, I see no reason why it would be better to not lubricate a shaft that is exposed to wear from hammering, rotation, and sliding forces, and also from corrosion and fretting due to moisture.  I do not see why a BMW shaft should be lubricated but a Guzzi shaft should not be.  Unlike an exposed shaft on a tractor that is admittedly exposed to dust and hay, the shaft on a Guzzi is protected and the grease cannot be contaminated by outside debris.

The swing-arm bearings on my 2013 are a sealed unit.  No need to mess with them.

For the first 5,000 miles or so, I suggest you get some blue Locktite and monitor all the nuts and bolts for tightness.  They can vibrate loose.   In particular, the stop bolt for the rear brake pedal, the single bolts that clamp the gear shift mechanism onto their shafts, and the bolts that hold the side panels on.   I've also had the front brake mounting caliper bolts all come loose, as well as the rear passenger peg mounting brackets. 

Also monitor the nuts that hold the exhaust header onto the front of the cylinder, as well as the exhaust clamps on the cross-over and the mufflers.   Mine would loosen periodically.  But don't lock-tite those; instead just cooper anti-sieze on them. 



Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: elvisboy77 on January 20, 2019, 05:38:38 PM
Other than the recall about the routing of wires/cables (done at first service) I have not found anything that needs to be done on my 2017 V7iii Anniversario.  It is really great as is.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Thirtyaughtsix on January 21, 2019, 12:32:13 PM
How exactly are you guys finding out about the recalls?
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Muzz on January 21, 2019, 03:12:32 PM

Second, if you or the service guy are going to be at the driveshaft, I would lube them.  Personally, I see no reason why it would be better to not lubricate a shaft that is exposed to wear from hammering, rotation, and sliding forces, and also from corrosion and fretting due to moisture.  I do not see why a BMW shaft should be lubricated but a Guzzi shaft should not be.  Unlike an exposed shaft on a tractor that is admittedly exposed to dust and hay, the shaft on a Guzzi is protected and the grease cannot be contaminated by outside debris.

This. I do it as a matter of course. When working in shop attached to an engineering firm we made good coin selling new PTO shafts or UJ's sinply because they had been left to run dry, and it showed.



The swing-arm bearings on my 2013 are a sealed unit.  No need to mess with them.

Swede, one thing I do on the Breva when I have the swingarm off is flick the outer seal off, force some grease in there and spin the bearing. The reasoning behind this is not mine. It is a standard 6000 series bearing. In a swingarm it has limited movement and does not rotate, which means the balls stay in the same spot and the grease does not get spread around. A spin and grease puts them in a different spot with a fresh layer of lube.  The reasoning made sense to me so I do it.

Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Roebling3 on January 21, 2019, 03:37:36 PM
I'm rather cranky about reliability and risk. I used to average well over 100K miles/year on cars, averaged ~45K/yr. on mc's and when I drove commercially a whole lot more. I like to be on time and was always expected to be. My inner thought was; Arrive on time w/clean hands, clothing and good humor. Yes. I'm from the 3 piece suit era.
Among others I have a '17  III racer. Regardless; any kind of breakdown or unscheduled stop can be a pain or worse. I had the dealer change to Legnano bars (1" rise), the wire spoke wheels to cast (no tubes. I have other bikes w/wire wheels). I had the dealer add K-Tech internals to the fork. The plastic/metal fuel filter changed to all metal (the same as are on the big blocks). I had the spark plug caps changed to NGK's b4 the 600 mile service. I couldn't tolerate the unreliable, poorly functioning abs. (there was no way to make it work correctly). The frt. caliper was changed to a Brembo 4 piston. The MC to a Brembo 15RCS. I also pulled the fork tubes up @ the clamps 15mm, as suggested on this list. The 3 series, in a few subtle ways, is a definite improvement over earlier models, In my view. i.e. It runs sweet right out of the crate. There's no longer a need to reprogram the FI system.
I can no longer put the miles on I used to, but why not eliminate break downs?  R3~ 
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: SmithSwede on January 21, 2019, 06:53:39 PM
Muzz, you crack me up.   In fact, I too pry off the covers on the swing arm bearings, add a bit of grease, and give them a good spin.

I did not want to confess to that on the forum lest Kev’s head explode over such maintenance foolery that is not expressly demanded by the Sacred Owner’s Manual.   :boozing:

And yes.  I replaced the half plastic in-tank fuel filter.  Used Oeteker clamps and even wired those suckers onto the pump.  They aren’t coming off !

Sorry Kev.  Some of us just cannot leave well enough alone. 
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 21, 2019, 08:43:56 PM
How exactly are you guys finding out about the recalls?

I saw it in a motorcycle mag but didn't own a v7 iii or v9 at the time.  I would assume Guzzi or your dealer would contact you.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Muzz on January 21, 2019, 10:19:26 PM
Further to the swingarm bearings:

Today I had cause to go to our bearing supplier we use.  This guy would be the most knowledgeable bearing guy I know.  His view was that using a 6000 series bearing in a swingarm which is only oscillating is not ideal. The balls not only do not move from one position, they can actually squeeze the lube out where the ball is in contact with the outer.  He expressed surprise that a needle bearing was not used at least.  He considered squeezing more lube in on a regular basis and spinning the bearing was a fairly sound idea considering the type of bearing used is not ideal to start off with with the proviso that the outer seal will be compromised somewhat for weather tightness.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: sign216 on January 21, 2019, 10:20:40 PM
How exactly are you guys finding out about the recalls?

In the past you could "back door" access to the Piaggio dealer's site and see them, but that's since been closed.  Sometimes the recalls are posted in motorcycle press, and you can search Nat. Hwy Transportation Safety Admin (NHTSA) website for them too.
Usually I hear of the recalls on several forums.

Joe
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 22, 2019, 06:54:55 AM
Further to the swingarm bearings:

Today I had cause to go to our bearing supplier we use.  This guy would be the most knowledgeable bearing guy I know.  His view was that using a 6000 series bearing in a swingarm which is only oscillating is not ideal. The balls not only do not move from one position, they can actually squeeze the lube out where the ball is in contact with the outer.  He expressed surprise that a needle bearing was not used at least.  He considered squeezing more lube in on a regular basis and spinning the bearing was a fairly sound idea considering the type of bearing used is not ideal to start off with with the proviso that the outer seal will be compromised somewhat for weather tightness.

So, did he have any insight into how many miles one could go before the races where enough to make the swingarm free play out of spec? 

I am thinking that potentially more damage is done from sitting around than from constant use
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: roadscum on January 22, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Change the POS OEM fuel filter, wish I had done that before taking delivery of my V7 Special. OEM filter is 1/2 plastic 1/2 metal, a proper replacement filter will be all metal. The plastic gets soft, expands and can leak...…  leaving your stranded at road side. My V7 III  did exactly that 10 days after taking delivery with 1,300 miles on the odo as I was returning home to Florida from Ct. on a fly/ride. Some here may deny such a risk exists but my selling dealer was aware of the issue, has seen it before, and stocks full metal filters for just that reason. I had planned to swap it out when I got home but the POS OEM fuel filter didn't make that far.

When I took the initiative to change the OEM fuel filter on my one year old 1200 Sport with 12K miles on the odo I found the plastic had soften and ballooned. I'm thinking I got it in a nick of time.

I'm also of the school that thinks the OEM suspension on the V7's is inadequate, uncomfortable, and dangerous. Before taking delivery the dealer installed emulators in the forks. The 1st mod I did was to replace the shocks. No more back pain when hitting sharp bumps, no more tail wagging. Sure I fiddled with shock adjustments many times on the ride home.... not enough improvement to satisfy me.

Paul
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Roebling3 on January 22, 2019, 12:00:16 PM
jacksonracingcomau: Another debatable point?
Re: Your foto of a V9 drive shaft. Art or accurate?
Does it truly indicate the positions of the universal joints?
In my distant past w/bmw's; re-enforced when I was notified and sent parts by MG (Daytona recall); If 2 universals are on a drive shaft the out reaching fingers of the 1/2 universal from the gear box should be diametrically opposed (90 deg.), to the input 1/2 universal fingers, on the bevel box. bmw explained in detail the engineering behind the design preference. Though easy to imagine. it's long gone from my mind. 
   Neither an oil, grease or tire thread but. If apologies should have been included, I'll stand to suffer.  R3~   
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: TimmyTheHog on January 22, 2019, 01:51:06 PM
jacksonracingcomau: Another debatable point?
Re: Your foto of a V9 drive shaft. Art or accurate?
Does it truly indicate the positions of the universal joints?
In my distant past w/bmw's; re-enforced when I was notified and sent parts by MG (Daytona recall); If 2 universals are on a drive shaft the out reaching fingers of the 1/2 universal from the gear box should be diametrically opposed (90 deg.), to the input 1/2 universal fingers, on the bevel box. bmw explained in detail the engineering behind the design preference. Though easy to imagine. it's long gone from my mind. 
   Neither an oil, grease or tire thread but. If apologies should have been included, I'll stand to suffer.  R3~

Here is the write up from Cycle-World regarding to the V9 & its U-Joints

https://www.cycleworld.com/moto-guzzi-v9-motorcycle-engine-history-and-evolution#page-8
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on January 22, 2019, 03:56:57 PM
gets rid of v35 derived coupler that was original to gease or not question.
Why not on v7/3 ?
Answered I think by owners, only a very few have issues, to me it is far bigger deal than swinging arm bearings.
v85 will be test but if I can find a v9 wreck I’d like that on my 8v sb
pic was from web
haven’t heard of v9 shaft issues nor any big miles so only trusting factory, not a decisive “problem fixed”
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Roebling3 on January 23, 2019, 10:57:43 AM
Thank you for your response, JRC. Apologies. I was not specific enough to gain an answer to my query.

The difference in U-joint positioning, i.e. parallel yokes as opposed to 90deg. rotational separation was the latter is/was alleged to represent less friction/wear/vibration, thus less power loss due to smoother running.

Regardless, a better reason for using 2 U-joints is most likely to be greater suspension travel. The fat tires on V9's demand 2 U-joints.  I may try asking Kevin Cameron directly. He's nearby. Or perhaps Mr. Roper will deign this worthy of comment.  Thank you,  R3~ 
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Muzz on January 24, 2019, 12:14:11 AM

The difference in U-joint positioning, i.e. parallel yokes as opposed to 90deg. rotational separation was the latter is/was alleged to represent less friction/wear/vibration, thus less power loss due to smoother running.

Regardless, a better reason for using 2 U-joints is most likely to be greater suspension travel. The fat tires on V9's demand 2 U-joints.  I may try asking Kevin Cameron directly. He's nearby. Or perhaps Mr. Roper will deign this worthy of comment.  Thank you,  R3~

I am still of the opinion that a CV joint would solve some of the restrictions brought on by the use of UJ's, as well as being able to deliver greater rear suspension travel.

Any reason why one could not be used?
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: TimmyTheHog on January 24, 2019, 01:09:46 AM
I am still of the opinion that a CV joint would solve some of the restrictions brought on by the use of UJ's, as well as being able to deliver greater rear suspension travel.

Any reason why one could not be used?

As many more advantages as CV over U Joint, it is also a lot more expensive to produce as well as to maintain at one time...

But over the long run, it is usually proven to be EVEN more costly when running U joint as replacement will usually happens more often...

So I am going to guess the cost saving plays a major factor...
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Roebling3 on January 24, 2019, 01:18:21 AM
A few years back I had both CV joints fail on my Acura CL type S, 6 spd.. The 1st one went out @ 427,000 mi. The second @ 532,000 mi. Never needed a clutch.  I let her go @ 585K.
Perhaps a CV joint capable of managing the amount of torque would be too large?   R3~
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Muzz on January 24, 2019, 03:33:50 AM
Did you put in a warranty claim? :wink:
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: s1120 on January 24, 2019, 05:43:37 AM
As many more advantages as CV over U Joint, it is also a lot more expensive to produce as well as to maintain at one time...

But over the long run, it is usually proven to be EVEN more costly when running U joint as replacement will usually happens more often...

So I am going to guess the cost saving plays a major factor...

Im thinking size is a factor also. Even with the lower HP of these motorcycles your still going to be looking at a 2.5" + joint... with the sealing cover it will be pretty bulky.. also with just moving in one direction a correctly designed Ujoint and shaft should do the job on a normal motorcycle.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Guzzi Gal on January 24, 2019, 08:53:26 AM
Other than the recall about the routing of wires/cables (done at first service) I have not found anything that needs to be done on my 2017 V7iii Anniversario.  It is really great as is.

^^^This.^^^

Enjoy! :thumb:
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 24, 2019, 02:30:53 PM
Thanks for the additional thoughts including "just ride the thing!".   :laugh:   Interesting reading the discussions on the u joints and CV joints.

I just laid the money down for the bike (and some farkles).  If folks are curious, the splines were sufficiently greased.  Also, the recall had already been done on this bike.

The farkles or necessities (depending on your point of view) are:

I'm also going to get some hand guards (to cut the wind), a windscreen (also to cut the wind ;) ), and some luggage but still sorting all that out.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Andy1 on January 24, 2019, 03:12:57 PM
On my 2014 Stone I added a piece of rubber sheet at the front of the rear mudguard to keep the gear changing mech clean.  Not sure if needed on the Mk III?
AndyB
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: ITSec on January 24, 2019, 11:51:46 PM
Well, I will be looking after a small block for the first time since 2011 - my fiancee has purchased a new (old stock) 2017 V7 III Stone (on my advice, since she has a free tech and riding coach now :grin: ).

A review of the machine tells me it is a significant refinement of the Breva 750 I had back then, and I'm not too worried that it might need anything exceptional in terms of attention.

Rode it back from San Diego to Palm Springs on Saturday, and it behaved exactly as I expected and wished. It'll be a great first bike for her!
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Huzo on January 25, 2019, 12:09:20 AM
^^^This.^^^

Enjoy! :thumb:
If you don't perceive an inadequacy, it doesn't exist..
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 25, 2019, 06:25:14 AM
A few years back I had both CV joints fail on my Acura CL type S, 6 spd.. The 1st one went out @ 427,000 mi. The second @ 532,000 mi. Never needed a clutch.  I let her go @ 585K.
Perhaps a CV joint capable of managing the amount of torque would be too large?   R3~

I remember Toyota and Honda needing CV joint replacements a lot back in the 80s before they would hit 100,000. 
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: TimmyTheHog on January 25, 2019, 12:37:05 PM
Im thinking size is a factor also. Even with the lower HP of these motorcycles your still going to be looking at a 2.5" + joint... with the sealing cover it will be pretty bulky.. also with just moving in one direction a correctly designed Ujoint and shaft should do the job on a normal motorcycle.

Without going into too much math (it's Friday and I need more coffee), CV design handles the changing of the direction of rotational force a lot better and  causing the issues such as pulsing & variance of speed.

However, it also means the design of a CV requires higher precision & accuracy as well as "beefier" material to handle all the different directions of forces and stresses.

So with that, CV tends to be larger in size to handle the same torque and also again, more cost associates with it...

So which one is better...it is a pot-EH-to vs po-TAH-to debate to me....it is all about the design parameter and how to use it...

This is one of the reason why I am really curious on how V9's U-joint fairs for the love of science as well as projecting to how V85 would do...


Thanks for the additional thoughts including "just ride the thing!".   :laugh:   Interesting reading the discussions on the u joints and CV joints.

I just laid the money down for the bike (and some farkles).  If folks are curious, the splines were sufficiently greased.  Also, the recall had already been done on this bike.

The farkles or necessities (depending on your point of view) are:
  • Center stand
  • Heated Grips.  I've had Oxford before but Koso Apollo's were mentioned and what I decided to go with.  It'll be interesting to see what I think of them in action.
  • Various battery tender stuff
  • LED brake light kit (extra lights in the rear tied into the braking system)
  • ROX risers.  Short arms and want a slightly more upright position.  We'll see what I think.
  • Metal fuel filter.
  • Pazzo adjustable levers
  • Givi engine guards

I'm also going to get some hand guards (to cut the wind), a windscreen (also to cut the wind ;) ), and some luggage but still sorting all that out.

To OP, great choice of carbon! Sat on the bike in the show and almost didn't want to get of it :P...

Edit: For some reason I thought u had a carbon and it stuck in my head LOL...still a great choice :P
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 25, 2019, 04:36:57 PM
Edit: For some reason I thought u had a carbon and it stuck in my head LOL...still a great choice :P

Nah, went with the Stone since I wanted cast wheels and after that, I just went with what was cheapest.

I talked to Optimum Motorsports and they're definitely going to have a V85 demo :cool:  and ...5 bikes?    Something like that.   Still sounding around May.  I may kick myself that I didn't wait.  We'll see. 
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 25, 2019, 04:44:08 PM
Right now I'm looking at LED replacement bulbs to support my heated gear wants.  There was a good thread on that back in December so I'm using that as the kick off point. 

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=98912.0

Besides the heated grips I'm considering the Aerostich heated bib.  30 watts/2.5 amps.    I think I can use one or the other without replacing the bulbs.  Replacing the lamps may buy me enough breather to use them both if I want without draining the battery.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 25, 2019, 04:54:45 PM
I remember Toyota and Honda needing CV joint replacements a lot back in the 80s before they would hit 100,000.

My Mazda from the 90's went about 170,000 before the CV joints needed replacement.  That was a fun car in a family-car kind of way.  6 cylinder and a stick shift.  It wasn't fast but it was fun.     
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 26, 2019, 07:11:26 AM
Right now I'm looking at LED replacement bulbs to support my heated gear wants.  There was a good thread on that back in December so I'm using that as the kick off point. 

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=98912.0

Besides the heated grips I'm considering the Aerostich heated bib.  30 watts/2.5 amps.    I think I can use one or the other without replacing the bulbs.  Replacing the lamps may buy me enough breather to use them both if I want without draining the battery.

Add a voltmeter so you can monitor the battery voltage while you ride.  I am in the process if narrowing down my choices for a voltmeter for my V7.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: sign216 on January 26, 2019, 07:53:32 AM
Add a voltmeter so you can monitor the battery voltage while you ride.  I am in the process if narrowing down my choices for a voltmeter for my V7.


A voltmeter is a good option.  I got an analog edgewise model because it goes well with the dashboard, and it fit in the space too.


(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3799/14118454779_26a80a718e_b.jpg)
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on January 26, 2019, 08:23:45 AM
A voltmeter is a good idea.  I had been looking at maybe getting the multimedia accessory that sends various info to your phone.  Seems like an expensive way to get battery info though.  I'm not sure I'd use any of the other features.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on March 03, 2019, 10:49:41 AM
Finally got it home after a 1 month weather delay.  Still working on a windscreen and bags.
(https://i.ibb.co/x1rhHZN/20190303-074842.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x1rhHZN)
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: egschade on March 03, 2019, 11:36:21 AM
 I didn't care for the stock tires.  Felt hard,  a little skittish and tracked road grooves.  Suspension was too low for my liking and weight but I'm guessing your GF is far less than my 220 lb riding weight. 
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Guzzi Gal on March 03, 2019, 01:00:24 PM
Finally got it home after a 1 month weather delay.  Still working on a windscreen and bags.
(https://i.ibb.co/x1rhHZN/20190303-074842.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x1rhHZN)


 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on March 03, 2019, 01:14:41 PM
Egschade: I hear ya on the tires.  Went out for a ride this morning (a very brisk 38 F) and came across some freeway grooving.  I could definitely feel the back end moving around some.  What did you end up with?   

 Thanks Guzzi Gal!  Even freezing my rear end off, it brings such a smile riding it.

Stock fueling, seat, and suspension are much better than what my 2013 v7 had.  Throttle is just a little snatchy;  we'll see how everything breaks in.  The ride this morning pointed out a few minor ergo adjustments I want to make but nothing big.  Really, really enjoing it.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: sign216 on March 03, 2019, 06:19:59 PM
A voltmeter is a good idea.  I had been looking at maybe getting the multimedia accessory that sends various info to your phone.  Seems like an expensive way to get battery info though.  I'm not sure I'd use any of the other features.

First off: sorry for the late reply.
But send it to your phone?!  When you could have voltmeter to look at on the dashboard?
I'm an old guy, but educate me.
Am I missing something?

Joe
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Kev m on March 03, 2019, 06:44:57 PM
First off: sorry for the late reply.
But send it to your phone?!  When you could have voltmeter to look at on the dashboard?
I'm an old guy, but educate me.
Am I missing something?

Joe

https://wide.piaggiogroup.com/en/articles/accessories/the-moto-guzzi-media-platform-connects-v7-iii-to-the-world/index.html

"The Moto Guzzi multimedia platform is available as an option for the new V7 III range. MG-MP is the innovative multimedia system, which allows you to connect the bike to your smartphone. Thanks to a dedicated application, downloadable free from App Store and Google Play, your smartphone (iPhone or Android) becomes an actual sophisticated on board multifunctional computer and the link between the vehicle and the Internet. The Bluetooth connection allows you to simultaneously view five parameters of your choice at a time, selected from a vast menu and including the speedometer, rev counter, instant power, instant torque, instant and average fuel consumption, average speed and battery voltage, longitudinal acceleration and extended trip computer. The “Eco Ride” feature helps to limit fuel consumption and to maintain eco-compatible riding conduct, providing a brief assessment of the results obtained during the trip."
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: sign216 on March 03, 2019, 06:53:31 PM
https://wide.piaggiogroup.com/en/articles/accessories/the-moto-guzzi-media-platform-connects-v7-iii-to-the-world/index.html

"The Moto Guzzi multimedia platform is available as an option for the new V7 III range. MG-MP is the innovative multimedia system, which allows you to connect the bike to your smartphone. Thanks to a dedicated application, downloadable free from App Store and Google Play, your smartphone (iPhone or Android) becomes an actual sophisticated on board multifunctional computer and the link between the vehicle and the Internet. The Bluetooth connection allows you to simultaneously view five parameters of your choice at a time, selected from a vast menu and including the speedometer, rev counter, instant power, instant torque, instant and average fuel consumption, average speed and battery voltage, longitudinal acceleration and extended trip computer. The “Eco Ride” feature helps to limit fuel consumption and to maintain eco-compatible riding conduct, providing a brief assessment of the results obtained during the trip."

Thanks, but that's not what Guzzi riders are looking for.
We are not on the cutting edge of the moon landing.

Just give me a gauge on the dash.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Kev m on March 03, 2019, 07:09:08 PM
Thanks, but that's not what Guzzi riders are looking for.
We are not on the cutting edge of the moon landing.

Just give me a gauge on the dash.

Well I'm glad that's settled and we now know you can speak globally for all who buy new Guzzis.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: sign216 on March 03, 2019, 08:54:57 PM
Well I'm glad that's settled and we now know you can speak globally for all who buy new Guzzis.


Oh, and make it analog. 
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Buckturgidson on March 03, 2019, 09:14:04 PM
The stock suspension on my '17 VIII Special trashed my back. I replaced it with Ikon shocks and springs. It now handles better and my back couldn't be happier!
Hopefully the stock suspension has been upgraded. I owned a 2013 V7 Special and the rear suspension was the worst. Riding it home from Vegas my neck was killing me, I weigh 170-175 lbs. so I cannot imagine how bad it would be for someone heavier. I smacked the kick-stand down in a tight left-hander and almost high-sided into an outcrop. That was when I decided to sell it.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 04, 2019, 07:16:51 AM
Hopefully the stock suspension has been upgraded. I owned a 2013 V7 Special and the rear suspension was the worst. Riding it home from Vegas my neck was killing me, I weigh 170-175 lbs. so I cannot imagine how bad it would be for someone heavier. I smacked the kick-stand down in a tight left-hander and almost high-sided into an outcrop. That was when I decided to sell it.

Instead of suspending it for your weight and riding style? Alrighty then.

Most of my "budget" bikes got suspension updates.  All of my touring bikes got suspension upgrades.

All of my trucks get suspension upgrades.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Roebling3 on March 05, 2019, 09:15:23 AM
I'm totally w/sign216. Extraneous, barely useful information cossetted in a telephone? You stop somewhere to try and absorb Too Much Information; while paying zero attention to your surroundings? Realizing nothing has changed (and you wasted 5, 10 or more minutes), you put the fone away, get back on the bike and ride off, pondering; Damn! Nothing was wrong. When should I next look? You're displacing the fun of motorcycling. Acting like a teenager, driving mom's car, cell fone in hand.  BANG! 
BTW: Ever been 'in the zone' while riding? Driving?  Enjoy the ride.  R3~ 
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Kev m on March 05, 2019, 09:39:59 AM
No one is forcing anyone to buy the mutli-media kit.

I could see how it could be fun or useful, but it's just a toy like most things.

Then again, same thing is said for a bike, with or without a tach.

Look I think it's monumentally stupid they didn't AT LEAST give you the option to display the tach data in the odo like EVERY SINGLE OTHER MANUFACTURER has of late who has left off an analog tach, but hey, that's Guzzi.

I'm still not about to get up in arms about it.

Meh, it is what it is.

I really like our Carbon.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: s1120 on March 05, 2019, 09:59:09 AM
No one is forcing anyone to buy the mutli-media kit.

I could see how it could be fun or useful, but it's just a toy like most things.

Then again, same thing is said for a bike, with or without a tach.

Look I think it's monumentally stupid they didn't AT LEAST give you the option to display the tach data in the odo like EVERY SINGLE OTHER MANUFACTURER has of late who has left off an analog tach, but hey, that's Guzzi.

I'm still not about to get up in arms about it.

Meh, it is what it is.

I really like our Carbon.

I agree... nowadays its just so easy...the tech is there...    That being said the one thing I really dont like about my Cali stone is no tach....   I really want to add one!!!!
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Kev m on March 05, 2019, 10:05:31 AM
I agree... nowadays its just so easy...the tech is there...    That being said the one thing I really dont like about my Cali stone is no tach....   I really want to add one!!!!

Full disclosure, I did add one to my Jackal - Autometer and a small custom figure-8 bracket that held it onto the OEM speedo housing.

I also added one to our last two Sportsters (14+ models have it in the CANbus odo display as an option). Cost was not cheap on either of the OEM ones I added to the Sporty, probably more than that multi-media kit (I'm scared to check).

I was also glad the Police RK came with one standard (as the more expensive civilian ones don't come with one, though again you can use the ODO on the civilian models).

So yeah, technically the Carbon is the only bike in the fleet without one.

Just like BOTH the V7s are the only bikes in the fleet without dual discs.

Oh the things we do for love...
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: s1120 on March 05, 2019, 10:08:28 AM
Full disclosure, I did add one to my Jackal - Autometer and a small custom figure-8 bracket that held it onto the OEM speedo housing.

I also added one to our last two Sportsters (14+ models have it in the CANbus odo display as an option). Cost was not cheap on either of the OEM ones I added to the Sporty, probably more than that multi-media kit (I'm scared to check).

I was also glad the Police RK came with one standard (as the more expensive civilian ones don't come with one, though again you can use the ODO on the civilian models).

So yeah, technically the Carbon is the only bike in the fleet without one.

Just like BOTH the V7s are the only bikes in the fleet without dual discs.

Oh the things we do for love...

I think i read your post on the Jackel..  I like how that turned out, and am thinking the same setup..  Some of the bike tachs are WAY up in price.... and some pretty cheap... Still need to do some research on it...  Either way... I like a tach... 
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Guzzi Gal on March 05, 2019, 11:59:34 AM
Fleabay has a multimedia unit for $175. plus $25. for shipping (Italy) and the installation kit for $70. plus $16 in shipping (Ohio via Cadre).  Add a RAM or other mount for your phone...  You get the picture.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on March 05, 2019, 12:48:28 PM
Look I think it's monumentally stupid they didn't AT LEAST give you the option to display the tach data in the odo like EVERY SINGLE OTHER MANUFACTURER has of late who has left off an analog tach, but hey, that's Guzzi

This!  Ah well.  Lovin' the bike.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on March 05, 2019, 12:54:13 PM
Fleabay has a multimedia unit for $175. plus $25. for shipping (Italy) and the installation kit for $70. plus $16 in shipping (Ohio via Cadre).  Add a RAM or other mount for your phone...  You get the picture.

For folks who are interested in maybe getting the unit: you can download the phone app and play around with the screens.  Obviously it doesn't show any data from your bike but you can check out features, readability, etc. for free.

I ended up with a "meh" reaction (agree with R3's assessment) but it might really float someone's boat.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: sign216 on March 05, 2019, 04:16:04 PM
I'm totally w/sign216. Extraneous, barely useful information cossetted in a telephone? You stop somewhere to try and absorb Too Much Information; while paying zero attention to your surroundings? Realizing nothing has changed (and you wasted 5, 10 or more minutes), you put the fone away, get back on the bike and ride off, pondering; Damn! Nothing was wrong. When should I next look? You're displacing the fun of motorcycling. Acting like a teenager, driving mom's car, cell fone in hand.  BANG! 
BTW: Ever been 'in the zone' while riding? Driving?  Enjoy the ride.  R3~

Thanks.   And I mean, really?  At best the phone's information console is best used by a mechanic, after taking a test lap. 
But I, and most riders, just want to look at the instrument panel, see some data, and keep riding.
If I have to scroll down my phone while riding .... well, that's not why I (and Roebling) ride. 
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: usedtobefast on March 05, 2019, 04:41:33 PM
I looked into the multimedia option ... could not find anyone that ever got it to work.  And, no returns on electronics & software ... so the people that bought it were stuck with it!

Not sure if the people trying just weren't good at tech and gave up, but in all my googling no one had it working. 

Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Kev m on March 05, 2019, 05:45:48 PM
Thanks.   And I mean, really?  At best the phone's information console is best used by a mechanic, after taking a test lap. 
But I, and most riders, just want to look at the instrument panel, see some data, and keep riding.
If I have to scroll down my phone while riding .... well, that's not why I (and Roebling) ride.

Look i haven't used it, I may never.

But according to the sales pitch there's no scrolling necessary. You can set it up to display up to 5 data points as it sits in a mount, visible like a dash. Or not, up to you.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on March 05, 2019, 06:26:55 PM
I tried to convince my SIL who writes apps for a living that there's a market for a stripped down version of GuzziDiag for a phone.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: rss29 on March 05, 2019, 07:04:07 PM
For folks who are interested in maybe getting the unit: you can download the phone app and play around with the screens.  Obviously it doesn't show any data from your bike but you can check out features, readability, etc. for free.

I ended up with a "meh" reaction (agree with R3's assessment) but it might really float someone's boat.
I think these Bluetooth modules are great. Many manufacturers are offering them now. It's an inexpensive way to add a bunch of extra tech. I'm a tech and data guy though. One of the big factors in the decision to get my recent Triumph was the tech and beautiful color dash. I can't wait for the Bluetooth module to be released that will let me control my GoPro, music and Google maps from the dash.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Kev m on March 06, 2019, 09:59:06 AM
I started a new thread for the talk about the Multi-Media Interface:


https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=100004.new#new

Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on March 20, 2019, 10:12:18 AM
Finally ordered the rest of the things for the bike.  Hopefully they all get here before the Spring trip.

Givi rack.  I'm not going with a topcase.  We'll see if I change my mind.  If I do, I'm set up for it.
Givi Dolomiti 30L cases.
A Givi windscreen.  I'm still waiting for my Madstad to show up and I've been freezing in the meantime.  A bad splurge but hopefully I can sell the Givi when the Madstad shows up and recoup a bit of the money.

Installing the crash bars and LED front light this evening (I hope).

I'm not missing the tachometer too much.  I will be changing the shift light warning to a higher rev once the break-in period is done.
Currently have the traction control set at '1'.  Seems to be fine; we'll see what it's like to ride in rain.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on March 20, 2019, 11:42:15 AM
Oh, and I ended up cheaping out on the voltage meter.  I decided for now, understanding the charge on the battery was good enough.  I just got something that plugs into my Battery Tender leads and tells me the current charge.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Thirtyaughtsix on March 20, 2019, 12:02:36 PM
Finally ordered the rest of the things for the bike.  Hopefully they all get here before the Spring trip.

Givi rack.  I'm not going with a topcase.  We'll see if I change my mind.  If I do, I'm set up for it.
Givi Dolomiti 30L cases.
A Givi windscreen.  I'm still waiting for my Madstad to show up and I've been freezing in the meantime.  A bad splurge but hopefully I can sell the Givi when the Madstad shows up and recoup a bit of the money.

Installing the crash bars and LED front light this evening (I hope).

I'm not missing the tachometer too much.  I will be changing the shift light warning to a higher rev once the break-in period is done.
Currently have the traction control set at '1'.  Seems to be fine; we'll see what it's like to ride in rain.

Let me know how the led bulb swap goes, wondering how getting into the V7 III bucket will be
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on March 20, 2019, 08:03:11 PM
I haven't actually used it yet:  I have one question about a cover-gasket thing that I'm going to research and/or ask my dealer about.  Having said that, it was pretty straightforward considering I'd never replaced a motorcycle lamp before.  The fit is good.

Remove the bottom screw on the light, lift the bezel up.  Unplug the original lamp.  Remove a retaining clip (two wings on one side just need to be squeezed toward each other).  Pull the original light out.  Put in Ring Adapter that came with the new LED lamp.  Get the retaining clip back in position (easier to do without the led lamp being in place).  Put the lamp in:  appears to fit fine.  Re-attach the retaining clip.  Plug it in.  Put the bezel back in place and screw it back together.

The one thing I have a question about is there is a soft plastic gasket looking thingie between the original lamp and where it plugged into the bike's wiring.  I can see how it would be useful but I can't imagine I should put it back on:  it would be sitting right on the LED's heat sink.  That sounds like a recipe for slagging.  But who knows *shrug*.  I'll see what I can find out.

This particular LED lamp is:  Pathfinderled mini h4 LED headlight bulb.  UBH04.  Direct replacement upgrade.  3200 LM/3600 LM - 6000k bright white.  List price is around $40.
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: Rhodan on March 20, 2019, 10:05:36 PM
I also found this thread on LED replacement lamps for the V7III.  Lots of good info.
https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=95759.0
Title: Re: V7iii - things that need attention from the start
Post by: ohiorider on March 20, 2019, 10:44:11 PM
Some thoughts.  Like Kev mentioned, the reserve light comes on about 60 miles before you run out, which is longer than most bikes I've ridden.  At first I thought it was weird and was going to modify the sensor.  But I've come to strongly prefer the 60 mile warning.   With a 60 mile warning, I can forget about tracking total mileage since fill up.  I can now just ride in peace, until the light comes on, and then I only have to worry about tracking the 60 miles remaining.  And a 60 mile warning means you have plenty of warning, even if the light comes on after you passed the last exit 5 miles earlier.  Just go to the next one.  With only a 30 mile warning, you might be tempted to turn around and go back.   

Second, if you or the service guy are going to be at the driveshaft, I would lube them.  Personally, I see no reason why it would be better to not lubricate a shaft that is exposed to wear from hammering, rotation, and sliding forces, and also from corrosion and fretting due to moisture.  I do not see why a BMW shaft should be lubricated but a Guzzi shaft should not be.  Unlike an exposed shaft on a tractor that is admittedly exposed to dust and hay, the shaft on a Guzzi is protected and the grease cannot be contaminated by outside debris.

The swing-arm bearings on my 2013 are a sealed unit.  No need to mess with them.

For the first 5,000 miles or so, I suggest you get some blue Locktite and monitor all the nuts and bolts for tightness.  They can vibrate loose.   In particular, the stop bolt for the rear brake pedal, the single bolts that clamp the gear shift mechanism onto their shafts, and the bolts that hold the side panels on.   I've also had the front brake mounting caliper bolts all come loose, as well as the rear passenger peg mounting brackets. 

Also monitor the nuts that hold the exhaust header onto the front of the cylinder, as well as the exhaust clamps on the cross-over and the mufflers.   Mine would loosen periodically.  But don't lock-tite those; instead just cooper anti-sieze on them.
This is where I am with the spline lube thing, too.

Bob