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Title: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Zoom Zoom on June 13, 2018, 08:29:39 AM
Having read through numerous threads over time, and the recent thread that has been locked that tied in with the departure of the OP, I figured some things for consideration might be in order.

First, this group has a varied amount of knowledge regarding mechanical aptitude, and we should all be considerate of that. There are new folks joining the board that ask questions sometimes that have been asked ad nauseam.

We ought to attempt to be tolerant of that. I would also add that the new folks here, as well as some that have been here longer, are not aware of the knowledge that several here possess. Charlie, Pete, Beetle, Wayne and a few others come to mind but you get the idea. Sadly, some people don't want to hear the advise given them by others. (Perhaps if they don't want to hear it, they shouldn't have asked in the first place, but...) And yes, I know how frustrating that can be for those of us that have learned things the hard way.

Now to the people asking the question:
There are some basics that might prove helpful. First, if you have, (and this goes back to the recent locked thread), additional things added, such as things that trick the ECU, it is good practice to eliminate these devices from the mix if there is even a chance it could be related to the issue at hand. Just because it has worked flawlessly for X number of years does not mean it has not become faulty. How do I know that? Because I learned it the hard way. My experience was with a PC3 on my old EV. This was before Guzzi Diag and the ability to modify the map in the on board ECU. With the advent of GD, why piggy back another ECU on the bike at all? Seems kind of counter intuitive to me. In my case, I was 5.5 hours from home and I simply unplugged the PC3 and reconnected the two ends together to resolve my issue. Electronics can and do fail so we cannot discount them from the possible cause.

Next, if you messed with something and shortly there after you have trouble, consider looking at what changed. Even though you may not have done something directly related to the trouble, you may have accidentally loosened a  wire or hose that may be causing you grief. In other words, what changed?

Third: If you are a newbie, don't be afraid to say so, along with your mechanical ability. "I'm new to the board and I only have some basic skills, etc." (You get the idea.) You will get better responses by doing so. At some point or another, we have all been there, and we are all points in between.

In case the OP to the locked thread is reading this, you mentioned health issues in your now defunct adios post. I'm sorry to hear that and I have no idea what you're going through, but I would GUESS that perhaps riding the bike gives you a bit of solace when things around you seem desperate. I will say that many here have gone through personal tragedy, many of which we will never know. Others choose to bring it out. That is, of course, a personal thing.

What saddens me though is that people get mad over something that was said and simply leave the board. Worst of it is that usually when that happens, it is someone that seems to be a really decent person. (I can only think of one or two that I was not sorry to see leave.)

Now I realize this is a pretty broad brush and I mean no offense to anyone, but there have been a few people that have left recently that I wish had not.

Well, carry on everyone. :boozing:

John Henry
     
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting:
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on June 13, 2018, 08:41:00 AM
Good post, ZZ  :thumb:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting:
Post by: RinkRat II on June 13, 2018, 08:49:50 AM

      Well done ZoomZoom, One detail I would add is utilizing the search function on this forum, there are a bazillion posts on everything fom steel cut oats to saddlebag lock tension and I have found many a relevant topic there. Many of us have had "that" problem and there's probably a helpful hint or two on any subject! My $.02

        Paul B :boozing:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting:
Post by: Zoom Zoom on June 13, 2018, 09:09:44 AM
I have to agree Paul. But I would also add that search does not always yield the desired result. When we had the old search, I think it did a better job of finding things than the current google search method. But it is what it is.

ZZ
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting:
Post by: SmithSwede on June 13, 2018, 10:20:59 AM
Well said.
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting:
Post by: sdcr on June 13, 2018, 11:01:15 AM
Makes sense.

As someone who recently made a dumb, brain freeze,post, about the float bowl pin, I can relate.   
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting:
Post by: twowings on June 13, 2018, 11:26:20 AM
Well said, Zoom!

Now, you need to come to the Kansas rally so we can discuss this further... :thumb:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting:
Post by: wirespokes on June 13, 2018, 11:32:52 AM
Thanks ZZ. Good post - as others have already said. I've been around Guzzis for a couple years now which makes me still a newbie, but with good mechanical abilities. Good point about including that data in my posts. Thanks for being understanding and putting up with us newbies.

I've been an airhead nut for almost 30 years and like you say, certain questions surface over and over again. I've thought it would be a good idea having a stickie with all the FAQs or links to the threads answering those Qs. Not sure how it could be done, but it certainly could make life easier.
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting:
Post by: Texas Turnip on June 13, 2018, 04:04:25 PM
Very good ZZ. Wish I would have stayed in school.

Tex
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting:
Post by: Unkept on June 13, 2018, 04:10:36 PM
Nice post. :) I think it deserves to be stickied.
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting:
Post by: oldbike54 on June 13, 2018, 08:14:59 PM
 Great post John  :bow:

 Let me add , before anyone gets worked up and decides to quit , contact me personally . We can usually work things out , a couple of members here can attest to that .

 Carry on , and please take what John says to heart , this is a great board , let's endeavor to keep it that way .

 Thanks

 Dusty
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: beetle on June 13, 2018, 11:07:39 PM
It's my fault for the recent departure and subsequent locked thread.

The OP took exception to my post on the downside of the Power Commander. It was not my intent to upset anyone. I have been told my posts can come across as "gleefully brusque". In my attempts to educate and help folks here on WG and other forums, I've been called an egotistical troll, a "garage mechanic" who thinks I know more than the factory, that my mapping methodology is "brutal", producing white plugs and nightmares for the user. I've even had threats of violence made against me.

It was also pointed out to me that it's not being egotistical if I'm actually right. Now, some of you will reckon that's an egotistical statement. Well, let me be gleefully brusque. You're wrong.

Some of you take exception to the fact that a guy on the edge of the Australian outback knows more about fuel injection than some of the self proclaimed "guru's" on the internet. Well, get over it. I'm a very smart cookie that works with mult-million dollar medical imaging equipment for my day job. I love my Griso and Guzzi's. I was ripped off by one of these self proclaimed guru's, who turned my Griso into a poor running munter, so I decided I could do a better job myself. So, I got right amongst it. I studied & experimented. I disassembled ECU's and their software. I learnt what all the maps and lookup tables in the ECU'S do. How the sensors are read and how the ECU reacts. I don't need to be partnered with a mult-million dollar company to know these things, or to have raced motorcycles, or to have been building them for decades. Well, I have been riding for more than 30 years, and I have built several bikes. They were Suzuki's though. Now you know my dark secret.


So, from now on I will try to be less gleefully brusque. I will still call a spade, a spade, and I will likely piss some of you off. I will help if I can.

Thank you for reading.



Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Guzzi Gal on June 13, 2018, 11:44:10 PM
beetle,

I'm good with that. :grin:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Pizza Guzzi on June 14, 2018, 12:03:05 AM
ZZ and beetle, well said sirs  :thumb:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Tom H on June 14, 2018, 12:37:43 AM
With the above said, thanks ZZ and Beetle.

I would like to add that the search function over the last few years did work, but at time I could not even search for a post that I made and know what the title was. I have not tried lately, do hope it's better!

Again, as far as newbies, we all were at one time. Pre-internet and bodging along as best as we could with no help locally for a marque that has a dealer every thousand miles :wink: now with a click and the right description of the problem, the newbie has a good answer or at last a place to start, then add info to help solve the problem.

Heck I have had my Eldo for over thirty years. But when I got my EV that turned out to be all jacked up in the ECU, I was lost. I came here and learned to work with the new system and solve the problem! Thanks again to all that helped!! I was sent a few maps and a bone stock one and they helped me solve the problem!

Well anyway, thanks again to all that help people out here!!

Also, I still enjoy a good oil thread! :evil: ducking and running very quickly! :wink:

Tom
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting:
Post by: Huzo on June 14, 2018, 01:05:36 AM
Well said, Zoom!

Now, you need to come to the Kansas rally so we can discuss this further... :thumb:
Or the Restaurant with the free pizzas on the shore of Lake Como near Agostini's in Mandello, in 2021.
There'll be a fireworks show...!
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Paul Brooking on June 14, 2018, 03:21:01 AM
beetle,

I'm good with that. :grin:
Well said


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Lannis on June 14, 2018, 06:49:37 AM
It's my fault for the recent departure and subsequent locked thread.

The OP took exception to my post on the downside of the Power Commander. It was not my intent to upset anyone. I have been told my posts can come across as "gleefully brusque". ....

That's all OK, but I'll just note one little thing .... Dish it out if you will, but you've got to be able to "take it" too, if that's the way it's going to be.    Can't be "gleefully brusque" on one end and melt down on the other if someone responds in the same fashion.   

That said, all of the Down Under expertise on this list is highly appreciated ....

Lannis
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: beetle on June 14, 2018, 07:02:50 AM
I'm still here, aren't I? Take note.






Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Dilliw on June 14, 2018, 07:20:55 AM
If WG is just a troubleshooting forum it doesn't exist.  And that would be patently unfair to the few uncompensated experts that we have around here anyway.  WG is entertainment and part of that entertainment includes reading and reacting to posts from an entire range of characters.  Someone posting "use Google first" in a "what oil" thread is a distraction from reality and therefore entertaining if you really think about it :)

All posts from Lannis are distracting and therefore entertaining.  Pete and Mark's troubleshooting wisdom easily takes second place to whatever you call their down under language and humor.  John Henry is worse in person than he is online.  Not liking me is I'm sure entertaining.

Can we all just get along?  No way!  That's why I've been entertained by this site for 12 years!
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Zoom Zoom on June 14, 2018, 07:52:21 AM
Beetle, it was never my intent to assign blame for anything. Some of the responses were pulled and I didn't see them. Also, as I'm sure you noticed, you were named as a person held in high regard by myself and many others. I simply figured there might be a little food for thought on both sides of the coin, that's all.

George: What????  :huh: <scratching head>

John Henry

edit: I might add that the original title to my post was augmented with the culture mention. Although I have no problem with that, I suppose it could alter the perception of those reading the thread.
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: mjptexas on June 14, 2018, 08:12:54 AM
It's my fault for the recent departure and subsequent locked thread.

The OP took exception to my post on the downside of the Power Commander. It was not my intent to upset anyone. I have been told my posts can come across as "gleefully brusque". In my attempts to educate and help folks here on WG and other forums, I've been called an egotistical troll, a "garage mechanic" who thinks I know more than the factory, that my mapping methodology is "brutal", producing white plugs and nightmares for the user. I've even had threats of violence made against me.

It was also pointed out to me that it's not being egotistical if I'm actually right. Now, some of you will reckon that's an egotistical statement. Well, let me be gleefully brusque. You're wrong.

Some of you take exception to the fact that a guy on the edge of the Australian outback knows more about fuel injection than some of the self proclaimed "guru's" on the internet. Well, get over it. I'm a very smart cookie that works with mult-million dollar medical imaging equipment for my day job. I love my Griso and Guzzi's. I was ripped off by one of these self proclaimed guru's, who turned my Griso into a poor running munter, so I decided I could do a better job myself. So, I got right amongst it. I studied & experimented. I disassembled ECU's and their software. I learnt what all the maps and lookup tables in the ECU'S do. How the sensors are read and how the ECU reacts. I don't need to be partnered with a mult-million dollar company to know these things, or to have raced motorcycles, or to have been building them for decades. Well, I have been riding for more than 30 years, and I have built several bikes. They were Suzuki's though. Now you know my dark secret.


So, from now on I will try to be less gleefully brusque. I will still call a spade, a spade, and I will likely piss some of you off. I will help if I can.

Thank you for reading.

Do we need an 'Aussie-free' section in this forum for easily offended members?  :grin:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: pete roper on June 14, 2018, 08:15:57 AM
Maybe. But then you would never get to understand the splendour of goat leggings......
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Dilliw on June 14, 2018, 08:39:21 AM
Maybe. But then you would never get to understand the splendour of goat leggings......

Exactly!
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Lannis on June 14, 2018, 09:49:52 AM
I'm still here, aren't I? Take note.

Wasn't really thinking about you in particular when I wrote it .....  :blank:  :evil:  :bow:  :rolleyes:  :wink:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Lannis on June 14, 2018, 09:53:24 AM

All posts from Lannis are distracting and therefore entertaining. 


Get on wi' some work, you.   The bit of the Social Security fund that pays my check isn't going to reload itself, you know ....  :laugh:

Lannis
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Markcarovilli on June 14, 2018, 12:13:38 PM
so just reading this thread at work (you're welcome Lannis for keeping your SS coming) and am really entertained....

hope no one picks up and leaves because I am not sure I would like what is left.

Mark
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Guzzi Gal on June 14, 2018, 01:13:46 PM
Even the pissing contests are entertaining 'round here! :popcorn:

I do try to suss out answers to whatever odd questions I come up with before posting them.  That said, sometimes I haven't a clue what to search for, be that proper wording or WTF the issue might be in the first place.  I love it when someone politely posts a link to a similar or same question that was posted before.  That can help quite a bit in narrowing down the search for the answer.  As I've stated many a time, I'm truly clueless (ignorant of all things mechanical and electrical) but not an idiot (usually). :tongue:   

Many are in the same boat, to varying degrees, so if the urge to be gruff is strong, just remember you were clueless at some point too. :bow: 

 
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Ncdan on June 14, 2018, 01:53:18 PM
I’m been helped so much by some of the guys mentioned here in this post I wouldn’t know where to start saying thank you. Beetle stuck by me for months, responding back EVERY TIME, I gave him an update on my CALVINS Preformance until it was absolutely  perfect! Some of the guys here has sent me personal responses, to my off the wall questions, to protect me from brutal responses that my, less than intelligent, questions may  have generated. I woukd also like to thank KEV and Beetle here for their patience and tireless efforts to answer my questions and educate me on some issues which are complicated for some of us older guys who are familiar with setting points with a match pack cover;)
I love my WG forum. Keep the stupid questions coming guys as I learn something from every last one of them. 👍👍👍👍👍
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: bigbikerrick on June 14, 2018, 01:55:45 PM
Even the pissing contests are entertaining 'round here!  :popcorn:

Very well said, Guzzi Gal from the valley of the sun!  :thumb:
Rick.
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: LowRyter on June 14, 2018, 01:59:19 PM
I for one appreciate the advice and patience here considering my boneheaded attempts of maintenance and repair.   :laugh:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Matteo on June 14, 2018, 02:17:16 PM
Maybe. But then you would never get to understand the splendour of goat leggings......
Goat legging? Ferret legging? I need a dictionary.
At least I know what Velcro gloves are for. :evil:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Toecutter on June 14, 2018, 02:25:44 PM
I always search before asking... but after 10 or 20 misses, I tend to just ask. I'm well aware that I annoy some on here, but so be it. Some of y'all have been super helpful.
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: beetle on June 14, 2018, 03:24:20 PM
Beetle, it was never my intent to assign blame for anything. Some of the responses were pulled and I didn't see them. Also, as I'm sure you noticed, you were named as a person held in high regard by myself and many others. I simply figured there might be a little food for thought on both sides of the coin, that's all.


I do understand that, and appreciate it. You were probably scratching your head wondering what had happened, same as others. When I read your post I thought it was a good opportunity to let the board know what had happened, and why the OP had decided to leave. There's things happening in the background here and elsewhere that made me wonder if I'm offending people, even when I don't intend to. Trust me, if I mean to offend someone, they will know.   :smiley:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: beetle on June 14, 2018, 03:30:19 PM
Goat legging? Ferret legging? I need a dictionary.
At least I know what Velcro gloves are for. :evil:



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Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: rtbickel on June 14, 2018, 03:47:43 PM
Oh good Lord.  Now I've sprayed iced tea out of my nose and into my keyboard.
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Guzzi Gal on June 14, 2018, 04:22:03 PM
Oh good Lord.  Now I've sprayed iced tea out of my nose and into my keyboard.

More :gotpics:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: TOMB on June 14, 2018, 04:33:25 PM
Excellant post ZZ.

In my management  jobs I had plenty of people that I directed and then they would carry out my requests.
The point I made to everyone management and non management was this.
Be fair to everyone in directing the request . Listen to the people  complaining or offering suggestions, and be firm if needed but always  be fair .

On the forum I certainly have made outright mistakes but people listened to my requests that helped my fix my MG repairs.

I would like to think that over the years I was able to help others out.

But with this forum I've met and made many new friends. Lost a few to.

Yes we all have had personal problems bad days and some days complete melt downs but with such a good group here helped keep things in balance.

Comments questions help info contact me I'll try to help.
Rant over
TOMB
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: pete roper on June 14, 2018, 05:32:29 PM
The WG community is now so large and global that there are bound to be misunderstandings and disagreements, it’s just the nature of such a place and the different backgrounds and cultures of those within it.

It also means that there is a continuing stream of questions but also a broader breadth of knowledge to be accessed. I for one nowadays rarely even have time to try and answer questions on older model issues and luckily we have a vast pool of knowledge available in people like Joe, Tom, Charlie, Martin and others who can cover this stuff in their sleep. There are also technical and machining wizards like Chuck who give freely of their time and effort to help and educate in areas that most will probably never attempt themselves but have an interest in. I nowadays tend to confine myself to educating about the CARC bikes, particularly the 8V’s which it must be painfully obvious I adore, and the later model FI bikes although when it comes to serious questions about engine management I will quickly defer to Beetle for all the reasons he himself noted above for the simple reason he does understand not only the technology but also the Magnetti Marrelli mindset in terms of how and why they build their systems. That doesn’t need partnering with a big ‘Name’ company, it just takes hard bloody work, hundreds, probably thousands of hours of it! And yes, I was asked if I thought he was an egotistical troll and I did reply that at times he could come across as ‘Gleefully Brusque’ :D

As I’ve said before a lot of stuff gets lost in translation, stuff that is like water off a ducks back here sometimes causes offence in other countries and it can seem at times baffling to all parties but sometimes a step back and deep breath is all that’s required.

As for the social aspects of the board? Go nuts! None of us has to give the tiniest of shits what others think as long as it doesn’t piss off the mods and the rules are pretty simple!

Anyway, have a good day all. It’s just starting to sleet here, I’ve got to drop of a Griso, pick up a V7’s Racer then move another Griso to a different location before returning to a freezing shed to stand around with a drippy nose holding cold spinners while it probably snows! Who lives better than me?

Pete
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on June 14, 2018, 05:45:26 PM
^^^^^  :grin: :grin:
No...body..
but you are right, Pete.
Quote
and it can seem at times baffling to all parties but sometimes a step back and deep breath is all that�s required.

Trust me. I've been totally pissed off at a poster that I now call a friend. As much as we might think not.. we *are* family here, bonded by a love of an idiosyncratic machine and manufacturer. Let's not take anything too seriously.. it's supposed to be fun to play with your toys.  :smiley:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Tom on June 14, 2018, 06:42:21 PM
What really helps is that those that are posting to attend more of the rallies that are out of their region.  Putting a face to the name and poster of a thread helps. 
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Guzzi Gal on June 14, 2018, 06:58:56 PM
What really helps is that those that are posting to attend more of the rallies that are out of their region.  Putting a face to the name and poster of a thread helps. 

Agreed!  I enjoyed meeting everyone in Prescott, and then I promptly forgot everyone I met, which truly sucked (AKA, prosopagnosia). :violent1:   
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Lannis on June 14, 2018, 07:44:04 PM
Agreed!  I enjoyed meeting everyone in Prescott, and then I promptly forgot everyone I met, which truly sucked (AKA, prosopagnosia). :violent1:   

It's a rule of life ... when you're introduced to someone, the only name you really hear is your own ... you have to do like the TV commercials, and say the name you want to remember 3 times.   

"That's the Popeil Pocket Fisherman... remember, Popeil Pocket Fisherman   ... get your Popeil Pocket Fisherman today ... !"

So when you're introduced, say "Paul ... good to meet you Paul ... I have a cousin named Paul ... So it's Paul, is it?"   They may think you're weird but at least you'll remember the name.

Lannis (This advice is free to you from me, because I've never used it at all)
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Guzzistajohn on June 14, 2018, 07:48:24 PM
Nicely said John, sometimes you have to be pretty thick skinned to survive around here. It�s easy to take a comment too personal or out of context. Most of these old boys are like you and a hoot to have around a campfire. EXCEPT LANNIS :laugh: :laugh:  :laugh: Hey, where�s that Jameson�s anyway??????
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Tom on June 14, 2018, 07:52:06 PM
Hey!... No problem.  I forget over half the names of everyone that I've met.   :shocked: 

Until recently, I was able to go to the National Rally in different parts of the States.  Loads of names that I forgot.   :tongue:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Paul Brooking on June 14, 2018, 08:51:59 PM
I for one appreciate the advice and patience here considering my boneheaded attempts of maintenance and repair.   :laugh:

As a relative "newbie" to this forum, I often wonder if the members know exactly how good and encompassing this site is.
I've gone from a "bonehead" to "knowledgeable (Slightly)" in a very short time by reading, searching and asking/answering dumb questions.
There are a number of very knowledgeable and patient posters here that freely give their time and advice (for the elventiesh time !)

The first time I received a Private Message from one of them, who was following up on a (dumb) question, it was a profound  (and pleasant) shock!!!

Compare that to my other Blog/Interests such as Bushwalking, Beekeeping, Politics, Softball Umpiring, where the flame wars are legendary, the keyboard "experts" in plaque proportions and the lack of humour depressing.

and yes it does help that I speak fluent "Strine" (Australian) and was schooled at a joint US/Australian High School.
(I have a good grasp of the international limitations of "irony")

It is one of the few Blogs that I actively pursue the "Pass it forward" principal of reciprocating good advice by helping someone else.

Thank you to ALL contributors
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Lannis on June 14, 2018, 08:55:40 PM
Nicely said John, sometimes you have to be pretty thick skinned to survive around here. It�s easy to take a comment too personal or out of context. Most of these old boys are like you and a hoot to have around a campfire. EXCEPT LANNIS :laugh: :laugh:  :laugh: Hey, where�s that Jameson�s anyway??????

Oi, what do you know about it anyhow?   I don't remember you at any campfire I've ever hung around ... unless I was introduced and forgot your name ... ?  :grin:   
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Guzzistajohn on June 14, 2018, 09:05:20 PM
Oi, what do you know about it anyhow?   I don't remember you at any campfire I've ever hung around ... unless I was introduced and forgot your name ... ?  :grin:


What did you say your name was???? You�re welcome at my campfire any time :thumb:

Koom by ya my lord, koom by yaaaaaaaa.......... .....
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Matteo on June 14, 2018, 09:27:34 PM


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Ok, add some horns and I’m back to my 20’s again , god times, good times!  :evil:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Huzo on June 14, 2018, 09:29:47 PM
Ok, add some horns and I�m back to my 20�s again , god times, good times!  :evil:
Is he waiting for something to back up onto that finger, or is he accusing some poor bugger of something.
He looks like he's saying..
"No really, it's about this long...!"
The tall guy is saying...
""Nah, don't flatter yourself...!"
Is one of those Beetle..?
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: pete roper on June 14, 2018, 09:47:12 PM
Yeah, that's Mark on the left. He was probably heaping abuse on the exhaust or some such! :grin:
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Huzo on June 14, 2018, 10:43:35 PM
Yeah, that's Mark on the left. He was probably heaping abuse on the exhaust or some such! :grin:
That actually DOES surprise me..!
Would have bet money on the other bloke. (Not that it matters either way..)
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: blackcat on June 15, 2018, 05:55:18 AM
Luap should consider offing those leggings in the products section, and maybe some optional Moto Guzzi embossed cod pieces.
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: pete roper on June 15, 2018, 06:30:14 AM
Leggings are a Ghetto thing.

Just heard Ron, (Waterbottle here and elsewhere.) has stacked heavily at Lakeside. High sided the Griso. Many broken bits. Keep him in your thoughts.
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Zoom Zoom on June 15, 2018, 06:34:53 AM
That stinks. I'm wishing Ron all the best and I'll keep him in my thoughts.

Pete, please let us know if you hear anything more.

John Henry
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: pete roper on June 15, 2018, 06:37:56 AM
Getting stuffsecond hand from Mark. News is sketchy. May of been oil on the tyre.
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on June 15, 2018, 07:04:17 AM
Hoping for the best..
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: oldbike54 on June 15, 2018, 07:55:58 AM
 Damnit !

 Dusty
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Dave Swanson on June 15, 2018, 09:07:23 AM
Highside. Never a good thing.  Hoping for the best.  Very sorry to hear this
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Zoom Zoom on June 15, 2018, 10:09:31 AM


(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/97756310.jpg)

And along that line:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sr1pkAoa-E

 :grin:

John Henry
Title: Re: A few thoughts on troubleshooting: Or , some notes on WG culture .
Post by: Idontwantapickle on June 15, 2018, 12:55:12 PM
I have been told my posts can come across as "gleefully brusque".

I just figured it was winter down under.