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Title: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: s1120 on December 07, 2018, 09:12:12 AM
OK, ive been out of the loop for over a decade!!  Just picked up a new to me 02 Cal stone, and seeing that I need a new helmet..  I LOVE my old Shoei RF108V that ive had since the late 80's....  as i grab it off the shelf I see the padding has deteriorated. Well searching for new i see....  $400+!!!  OK.. so here is what I want..  Full face, solid color, and nothing too fancy..  vents are nice, but I dont need all the bells...  I also prefer a fiberglass shell..  I just think its the best for impacts.  Whats out there thats basic, solid, and affordable? Any advice for me?
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Lannis on December 07, 2018, 09:16:51 AM
OK, ive been out of the loop for over a decade!!  Just picked up a new to me 02 Cal stone, and seeing that I need a new helmet..  I LOVE my old Shoei RF108V that ive had since the late 80's....  as i grab it off the shelf I see the padding has deteriorated. Well searching for new i see....  $400+!!!  OK.. so here is what I want..  Full face, solid color, and nothing too fancy..  vents are nice, but I dont need all the bells...  I also prefer a fiberglass shell..  I just think its the best for impacts.  Whats out there thats basic, solid, and affordable? Any advice for me?

These days, I'm worrying less about the price of something that I buy once every 6 years and more about the features, quality, and a comfortable fit, so a $400+ helmet doesn't worry me much.

That being said, I have owned several "HJC" helmets over the years and have found them to be a high-quality, long-lasting helmet.   If I were going into the fray budget-first, I'd get another HJC, probably a CL-17.  You can get them for $125 or so, and sometimes find them on clearance for even less ....

Lannis
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: bodine99 on December 07, 2018, 10:26:30 AM
I've have been using a "modular" helmet for over 10yrs. Its nice to be able to stop and flip it up, when stopping for fuel, a quick sip of a drink, couple of bites at a snack, adding lip balm, nose spray ect.ect. Go to a powersports store and try them on. We all have different shaped mellons, and chipmonk cheeks!!
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: steven c on December 07, 2018, 10:48:03 AM
 LS2 makes a nice helmet for a good price. I have a couple and happy with them.
https://www.revzilla.com/ls2-helmets?kclid=25a428e4-8179-4a59-aeb4-d09ec7eb820c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_u-m8ZWO3wIVRKqaCh1WDQZ8EAAYASAAEgJUjPD_BwE
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Bisbonian on December 07, 2018, 11:43:54 AM
I think the fiberglass shell is going to take the price up. Most of the lower-priced helmets will have some sort of composite shell, high tech word for plastic.

I've been buying Scorpion helmets for the last few years and have been happy. It looks like their shell is some sort of composite specific to them, at least it has a special name.

The only helmet I've crashed in (on the street) in the past 20 years was an $89 Bilt model from Cycle Gear. I guarantee that it was some sort of plastic shell and it protected my head.

I'm not trying to change your mind, just pointing out where your search may be failing.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: JACoH on December 07, 2018, 11:52:46 AM
Remember the old ad that said "If you have a $10 head, wear a $10 helmet!"
Also, helmets and shell materials have advanced greatly since the 1980's, there are many composites that, while maybe still called "plastics", are superior to all the 1980 materials.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: kingoffleece on December 07, 2018, 12:00:24 PM
Take the time to understand what a good fir really is.
The helmet guys I know say at least 75% of the folks they see at shows and other events have a size too large on.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Kev m on December 07, 2018, 12:08:43 PM
Remember the old ad that said "If you have a $10 head, wear a $10 helmet!"

Which might be applicable if we were talking about things like features, comfort, marketing and not just safety.

But I believe it was demonstrated some time ago that many less expensive helmets may protect just as well as the $800 Arai or Shoei, they just won't be nearly as cush.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Kristian on December 07, 2018, 12:51:59 PM
Great source of info on safety ratings: https://sharp.dft.gov.uk/ (https://sharp.dft.gov.uk/)
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: SeanF on December 07, 2018, 01:20:10 PM
I use a Bell 3/4 helmet for coaching, and it fits like my 2 full face Shoei lids.

Also:

Consider taking a class to sharpen your skills. Anecdotally, the returning riders I see in my BRC classes are usually surprised at how much their skills have deteriorated after 5, 10 or 20 years away from the activity.

A BRC2 (also called a Confident RiderCourse) is done on your own bike, lasts only a half day, and is relatively inexpensive (compared to hospital bills, replacement parts & riding gear, etc.) It's also a lot of fun, IMO.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: s1120 on December 07, 2018, 01:40:59 PM
Thanks guys for the advice. I know of the HJC helmets. My wife has one from back in the day also. It was a real nice helmet for the price then..  Good features but weighs more then mine did..  Ill keep a look for closeouts, and deals..  I did really like my old Shoei.. Not a fan of the modulers... and really I was happy for many years, and miles with my basic sheld, and simple vents..  Not sure I want to pay for the bells and whistles that a lot come with. Ill check some of those choices out! Thanks.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Lcarlson on December 07, 2018, 02:31:42 PM
Some years ago, Motorcylist mag did a rigorous testing of many popular helmets. To just about everybodyís surprise, the helmet that provided the best impact protection was the sub-$100 Z1R full face. The study caused a lot of consternation in the helmet world, and resulted in a revision of the Snell Foundation testing protocols.

So the chief advantages of the high end helmets are primarily features, comfort and maybe appearance. But comfort, particularly, is really important. And sizing is critical to safety. In general, if the helmet feels just right when you try it on, itís too big. A helmet needs to fit much like a ski boot, so it should be somewhat uncomfortable when brand new; when broken in after some hours of riding, it will fit just right. Caveat, watch out for hot spots, which mean the helmet is probably the wrong shape for your particular head.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: yellowheader on December 07, 2018, 03:14:54 PM
That being said, I have owned several "HJC" helmets over the years and have found them to be a high-quality, long-lasting helmet.   If I were going into the fray budget-first, I'd get another HJC, probably a CL-17.  You can get them for $125 or so, and sometimes find them on clearance for even less ....

Lannis
+1 on HJC helmets. I have an FG-17 model, which has a fiberglass shell. Very happy with it for the price.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: JohninVT on December 07, 2018, 03:27:46 PM
HJC has a huge line of helmets.  The FG-17 is an excellent value.  The RPHA line by HJC are their full featured helmets meant to compete with Shoei and Arai.  I bought an Arai last Fall but if I had to do it over again I'd probably go with an RPHA.  They're just as nice, shields are less expensive and the helmets themselves are 1-200 bucks less than a similar Shoei or Arai. 
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Steph on December 07, 2018, 03:57:30 PM
I wouldn't disregard a good fitting Lexan/Thermoplastic helmet.  I have a Nolan N87 and it is good helmet with good ratings.

Don't know if it's me but I find the lexan construction helping it being calmer than my old hard shell Arai. Sure the Arai is worn and that contributes to the noise but the hardness of the fiberglass constructions makes my head feel like it is inside a giant metallic bell  :grin:

Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Muzz on December 07, 2018, 04:32:38 PM

But comfort, particularly, is really important. And sizing is critical to safety. In general, if the helmet feels just right when you try it on, itís too big. A helmet needs to fit much like a ski boot, so it should be somewhat uncomfortable when brand new; when broken in after some hours of riding, it will fit just right. Caveat, watch out for hot spots, which mean the helmet is probably the wrong shape for your particular head.

This. I had to go through a shop full of helmets to find one that fits.  A New Zealand made fibreglass one so it would be unavailable in the States.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: pete mcgee on December 07, 2018, 05:08:56 PM
Find one that fits you and is comfortable, then worry about price.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: egschade on December 07, 2018, 06:31:01 PM
If I recall the Z1R full face helmets rate well in crash testing and are quite affordable. Also a good time of year to look for end of season clearance sales. You may be able to get an AGV or Nolan for a good price. As other noted just make sure it fits well.

Revzilla makes it easy with an ez exchange program on helmet sales. Good pricing may be found at your local dealer and they may price match if you show them an internet ad.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Mr Revhead on December 07, 2018, 07:52:12 PM
1: use the shrps website.
2: as mentioned the old $10 head $10 helmet is now BS.
3: Try them on, the worlds safest helmet won't work if it doesn't fit right.
4: LS2 make awesome feature loaded helmets that are as safe, or safer than the big name brands.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Steph on December 07, 2018, 08:05:02 PM
Bring back the watermelon test  :wink:

https://youtu.be/biJwPw_98Yk
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Guzzistajohn on December 07, 2018, 09:02:05 PM
I've been wearing SHOEI modular helmets for 12-15 yrs. but recently I decided to look for a new one and they are up around $700.00??? I ordered a BELL modular just to try, it has a tinted windshield that slides down (like the Schuberth that won't fit my head) and the clear windscreen has the best optics I've seen in a helmet EVER. It's like wearing glasses, actually IMPROVING my vision. And the peripheral vision is improved over the last three SHOEI helmets I've worn out. The BELL was around $400.00.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: jpv7 on December 07, 2018, 10:21:11 PM
For those of you with long oval alien heads like mine, i've discovered the Scorpion EXO-R2000 which may be their top of the line unit.  Nice alternative to the well fitting
Arai signet (or Profile, i forget).  I think it is being replaced by a new model this year.

Fibreglass shell (if not mistaken) and Snell approved, the price is creeping up but i got mine at end of season for like $200 Canadian.  After 4 seasons, i can say it is as good or better than the Arai as far as comfort and features go.

And the bloody visor is easy to change without breaking it...
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: reidy on December 08, 2018, 01:47:18 AM
I have been happy with Shark branded helmets, they rate well in crash testing but more importantly the happen to fit my shaped head.
My brother in law is a Shoei fan. I have tried a couple on and they just don't fit my head.

I tend to think that a lot of people think about the primary benefits of helmet safety. That is how well it will protect my head when it hits the road. A lot of today's helmets do this very well.
 
I think secondary helmet safety is possibly more important. I class this as how well it fits, poor comfort causes fatigue, fatigue contributes to accidents. What the viability is like, if I don't see the danger I can't avoid it. Can I fit glasses under it if I need them. Is it easy to change visors at night time if you use a tinted visor. How noisy is the helmet, noise causes fatigue. How well ventilated is it for hot weather, feeling hot and bothered causes fatigue. Does it have any anti fog options. If any of these are lacking you are more likely to have an accident and test the primary safety features of your helmet.   

Steve
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: greer on December 08, 2018, 04:50:42 AM
Can you make your way to a Cycle Gear?  They typically stock A LOT of helmets.

Sarah
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: nbags on December 08, 2018, 07:30:11 AM
i have an arai helmet is good quiet and comfortable ,also had an agv and a couple of bell . I think for the money bell is a great helmet that's probably my next one . Just my opinion what ever you buy make sure it fits properly helmets come in different shapes some more oval some more round.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Sheepdog on December 08, 2018, 08:02:58 AM
+1 on the HJC CL-17. I have two of them, as well as one of their IS-Max II modulars. These CL-17 full-faces have some great basic features like effective venting, inexpensive replacement shields, a removable/replaceable liner, various thicknesses of cheek pads available, Pinlock ready, and is reasonably quiet. If it fits your head shape it's a remarkable value.

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/hjc-cl-17-helmet
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: AJ Huff on December 08, 2018, 09:36:39 AM
I'd vote HJC. I've usually gotten my less than half price on clearance from Dennis Kirk. Can't remember who I met that had a Shark. It was much nicer than my HJC and about the same price.

-AJ
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Ncdan on December 08, 2018, 02:32:26 PM
Remember the old ad that said "If you have a $10 head, wear a $10 helmet!"
Also, helmets and shell materials have advanced greatly since the 1980's, there are many composites that, while maybe still called "plastics", are superior to all the 1980 materials.
Since I have removed Bell helmets from two deceased ridders when I was working, I drifted over to the opinion that it's not as much about the helmet as it is about the use of the brain inside the skull, inside the helmet. Also if one reads the small print helmet manufacturers advise to replace the helmet " if it's dropped".
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: fossil on December 09, 2018, 01:43:14 AM
I discovered the portuguese brand "Nexx" by change. Many of their helmets are made in a combination of Kevlar, Carbon and Glass fiber, and tests show they are astonishing good in comparison to well-known brands. I for example have some X70 jet helms in different colours. I like them.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: steven c on December 09, 2018, 07:10:10 AM
Good sale right now.
https://www.motorcyclecloseouts.com/insanity?utm_source=MCC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=ChristmasFlash2018Ext&utm_campaign=18Dec
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Kristian on December 09, 2018, 06:28:51 PM
I discovered the portuguese brand "Nexx" by change. Many of their helmets are made in a combination of Kevlar, Carbon and Glass fiber, and tests show they are astonishing good in comparison to well-known brands. I for example have some X70 jet helms in different colours. I like them.

Just OK-but same rating as my Shoei GT Air...

https://sharp.dft.gov.uk/helmets/?manufacturer=Nexx&model=All&type=1
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Bulldog9 on December 09, 2018, 09:05:36 PM
I used to subscribe to the big $$ helmets, but my last 3 Helmets (since 06) were: Scorpion Exo (400), AGV Skyline, Nolan N44. These were all less than $225 and all were well made, comfortable and serviceable.

I bought the Scorpion on a fluke in 2006. While moving, I lost track of my big $$ Shoe RF and didn't want to spend a lot on a short term replacement. I liked the Scorpion so much I never wore the Shoe again and it became the 'guest helmet.'

I wore the Scorpion exclusively up till 2015 when I bought the AGV which I liked, but didn't love. It is hot in the summer, so just recently picked up the Nolan N44 which has amazing visibility but seems a bit noisy. I've only wore it 3x so far, has been a cold we fall/winter.

I used to look for a Snell foundation helmet, but DOT rating has improved so I am comfortable with it.



Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: redhawk47 on December 10, 2018, 11:55:43 PM
Revzilla is selling on "closeout" Shubert helmets for about half price.
My riding buddy just bought one and says it is the quietest helmet he has ever had.
But it does fold his ears down when he puts it on.  :weiner:
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: fossil on December 11, 2018, 12:07:55 AM
Just OK-but same rating as my Shoei GT Air...

https://sharp.dft.gov.uk/helmets/?manufacturer=Nexx&model=All&type=1

Well, in a comparison (full style, with impact tests and so on) in our German magazine "Motorrad" the Nexx XR1.R was by far the best. And nobody expected it.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: oilhed on December 11, 2018, 07:14:49 AM
I have been using a Shoei RF helmet like forever.  But I buy the soon to be replaced model with unpopular graphics on closeout.  It's a brand new helmet at less than half the price!

https://www.motorcyclecloseouts.com/hot+deals/huge+helmet+blowout+sale/f/brand-227 (https://www.motorcyclecloseouts.com/hot+deals/huge+helmet+blowout+sale/f/brand-227)
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: AJ Huff on December 11, 2018, 07:38:34 AM
Well, in a comparison (full style, with impact tests and so on) in our German magazine "Motorrad" the Nexx XR1.R was by far the best. And nobody expected it.

My cousin wore Nexx when he was racing. He had good things to say about them.

-AJ
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on December 11, 2018, 11:22:17 AM
Quote
But it does fold his ears down when he puts it on.  :weiner:

 :grin:
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Gustavo on December 11, 2018, 04:17:44 PM
A lot of good suggestions, but not the most obvious.  Go to a large motorcycle store and try them on, don't order via the Internet w/o making sure it fits your head shape correctly.  It doesn't matter how good a review a particular helmet gets, if it doesn't fit you right it will be noisy, create pressure points or even be downright dangerous, as it may come off in a crash and not do what it was bought for. 

Take a look at this resource on WebBikeWorld that is the only one that classifies helmets by head shape:

https://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-helmet-reviews-by-internal-shape/


This list may not include every single helmet you will find, but it's a good start to see what should fit similarly.  And as always, take all reviews with a grain of salt.  It's one man's impression and opinion, which may not be the same as yours.  I've found that even within the "right" groups for my head shape, not all helmets fit as well.


If you have an oval-ish (aka narrow) head, Scorpion makes some good options in full face and modular helmets at very reasonable prices. 

Gustavo
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Sheepdog on December 12, 2018, 07:43:10 AM
RevZilla categorizes helmets by head shape. Also, refinements with fit are possible with cheek pads of various widths.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Kev m on December 12, 2018, 08:01:46 AM
RevZilla categorizes helmets by head shape. Also, refinements with fit are possible with cheek pads of various widths.

Not only that they'll take any helmet back (that hasn't been worn on a ride) and exchange for different model or size.

Also, if you're lucky enough to be in the greater Philly area you can go to their showroom and try most on. Or if it's one they don't stock in the showroom you can order 2-3 sizes and show up to try them on, then instantly return the ones you don't want/need.

Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Mr Pootle on December 16, 2018, 03:55:55 AM
The shape of your head reflects the shape of your brain, and I came across an article online this morning saying that studies show that those with a more oval brain have been found to have 2% Neanderthal dna.
Jpv7, shouldn't you be riding a Harley?
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: antmanbee on December 16, 2018, 07:16:34 AM
Neanderthal had brains that were larger than modern Sapiens. Maybe those without the Neanderthal DNA are the Harley riders.

Anecdote, BTW I have an oval head and never owned a Harley. I don't know if I have any Neanderthal DNA in me but I might be willing to share my DNA with her if I met an attractive Neanderthal  :azn:
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: et18 on December 16, 2018, 11:17:54 AM
The things I have to add have already been said on this thread:  Motorcyclecloseouts .com and consider a helmet with a drop down sun visor.  A couple months ago I bought a Shoei GT Air for about $380 in a discontinued graphic pattern and it is by far the best helmet I've ever owned.  I thought the Quest was good but the GT Air is much quieter and the drop down shade is a game changer, especially if you're riding as the sun is coming up or going down.  I bought my wife a Shoei RF SR and suddenly she likes to ride with me longer and more often than she did with the cheaper helmets that came before.

A lot of good, inexpensive helmets have already been mentioned but if you really need a cheaper helmet you should toss AGV in the ring also, I wore out several AGV modular helmets before switching to Shoei.  They are well made, safe helmets, just not as quiet or comfortable as the top shelf stuff.

Congrats on your return to two wheels, there's really nothing out there to replace it.
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: PJPR01 on December 16, 2018, 02:41:56 PM
OK, ive been out of the loop for over a decade!!  Just picked up a new to me 02 Cal stone, and seeing that I need a new helmet..  I LOVE my old Shoei RF108V that ive had since the late 80's....  as i grab it off the shelf I see the padding has deteriorated. Well searching for new i see....  $400+!!!  OK.. so here is what I want..  Full face, solid color, and nothing too fancy..  vents are nice, but I dont need all the bells...  I also prefer a fiberglass shell..  I just think its the best for impacts.  Whats out there thats basic, solid, and affordable? Any advice for me?

What size helmet are you looking for?  I've got two for Sale now in the Classified Section, one Nolan and one Nexx...let me know if either of those work for you.  Great prices...much cheaper than new!
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: Steph on December 17, 2018, 06:38:01 PM
Info on internal shapes of helmets, it's all relative.

http://www.lidpicker.com/free-data/


(https://i.ibb.co/BK8MkgW/011-C4761-E9-B3-4469-A8-DC-4-AE60-B7-B74-EB.png) (https://ibb.co/BK8MkgW)

(https://i.ibb.co/8sWXW2N/8117-BDFC-5677-4938-8175-7-B2761-CF891-A.png) (https://ibb.co/8sWXW2N)

(https://i.ibb.co/9h3tV8Y/852-DD7-DF-B969-49-F4-A71-F-01-FDAB3-ED0-AA.png) (https://ibb.co/9h3tV8Y)

Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: s1120 on December 18, 2018, 06:17:46 AM
Info on internal shapes of helmets, it's all relative.

http://www.lidpicker.com/free-data/


(https://i.ibb.co/BK8MkgW/011-C4761-E9-B3-4469-A8-DC-4-AE60-B7-B74-EB.png) (https://ibb.co/BK8MkgW)

(https://i.ibb.co/8sWXW2N/8117-BDFC-5677-4938-8175-7-B2761-CF891-A.png) (https://ibb.co/8sWXW2N)

(https://i.ibb.co/9h3tV8Y/852-DD7-DF-B969-49-F4-A71-F-01-FDAB3-ED0-AA.png) (https://ibb.co/9h3tV8Y)


Whaaaa...  Ya I need to get to a shop and try some on...   
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: yogidozer on December 18, 2018, 06:42:05 AM
Protection, or style? Decisions, decisions.  :undecided:


(https://i.ibb.co/vH9QHPX/GUEST-33306313-4392-4477-a753-925ba8ac62d2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vH9QHPX)
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: s1120 on December 18, 2018, 07:58:01 AM
Protection, or style? Decisions, decisions.  :undecided:


(https://i.ibb.co/vH9QHPX/GUEST-33306313-4392-4477-a753-925ba8ac62d2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vH9QHPX)


Style is not high on the list...  OK, maybe a little... I like solid color, and dont like the modern dull paint fad....  other then that.. I loved my old Shoei RF108V...  its just too old..  Just good, basic, do it all full face... 
Title: Re: Good affordable helmets?
Post by: jpv7 on December 18, 2018, 08:15:46 AM
The shape of your head reflects the shape of your brain, and I came across an article online this morning saying that studies show that those with a more oval brain have been found to have 2% Neanderthal dna.
Jpv7, shouldn't you be riding a Harley?
Lol...my wife would argue in favour of that theory.  No Harleys for me, thanks.