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Title: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Sheepdog on December 09, 2018, 11:39:24 AM
This bike looks like a stunner...retro looks with nuovo features. It reminds me of the old Thunderbird Sport from the nineties...only better. They even did away with the fake Monobloc throttle body covers!

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/first-look-2019-triumph-speed-twin?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=12/08/2018_CT&utm_term=Common%20Tread%20%7C%20Combined

(https://i.ibb.co/CmmD0GM/IMG-0407.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TYYdh3b)
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Guzzistajohn on December 09, 2018, 12:00:29 PM
Man that's nice. Triumph really has a nice product line. And a great dealer network, what a concept!! Just turned my Tiger over 70 K It's been rock solid!
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Huzo on December 09, 2018, 01:41:20 PM
Is the seat just a fraction under done..?
But just..WOW..!
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Tennmoto on December 09, 2018, 01:52:19 PM
I test rode a 1200 last summer, gobs of torque, but handling wasn’t anything near my 865
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: bigbikerrick on December 09, 2018, 02:18:27 PM
I am really impressed with the new triumphs. They are building some gorgeous bikes!
This is one of my favorites. :thumb:
Rick.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Shorty on December 09, 2018, 03:06:30 PM
Nice! I like everything except the foot controls. 
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: bigbikerrick on December 09, 2018, 04:11:51 PM
Nice! I like everything except the foot controls.

What wrong  with the foot controls, Shorty? A bit too sporting for your taste? I never really noticed that until you mentioned it.
Rick.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: JJ on December 09, 2018, 04:19:25 PM
That Triumph works for me also! :thumb: :cool: :smiley:  Would have no issues riding and owning one! :thumb:

...and they have a good parts / service network with enthusiastic dealers!!  (What a concept...) :wink:


(https://i.ibb.co/0DQp03H/Screen-Shot-2018-12-09-at-3-17-15-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/0DQp03H)
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: LowRyter on December 09, 2018, 05:40:51 PM
Is this a tarted up Thruxton?
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Kev m on December 09, 2018, 05:49:54 PM
Is this a tarted up Thruxton?

Define tarted?

I THINK it's the motor and frame from the Thruxton with cast wheels and some other changes, for what they are predicting will be less money (because they lowered the T120 price to make room)...
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Shorty on December 09, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
It is a de tarted Thruxton. You do not get the high zoot suspension on this model. Same spec engine. Less aggressive riding position.

Yes, Rick, the pegs are too far back for me. Bummer. Nice sled otherwise.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: keener on December 09, 2018, 07:37:37 PM
Very Nice......... and it seems should be reasonably priced all in all   and it has some power to bout ....
 :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: twowheeladdict on December 09, 2018, 09:47:20 PM
I like Triumph, but my Guzzi dealer is half the distance and I can manage the 90 mile backroad ride to him.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: wyno on December 10, 2018, 02:33:29 AM
I just wish that it came with a tank that was bigger than 14 litres. It might be OK for the US and Europe, but here in Oz 14 litres is just too little to get between a lot of places with any safety margin.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: molly on December 10, 2018, 04:18:52 AM
I just wish that it came with a tank that was bigger than 14 litres. It might be OK for the US and Europe, but here in Oz 14 litres is just too little to get between a lot of places with any safety margin.

If it is 14 litres (3.0imp/3.7US gallons) then it would not be adequate  for me in the UK also. These small tanks are a pain if you ride regularly, being constantly at the fuel station is not my idea of fun.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: jas67 on December 10, 2018, 05:16:42 AM
Nice! I like everything except the foot controls.

They're right were they should be, albeit, a little high.    Some lowering pegs from Knight Design, or one of the others posted on the various V7 threads ought to take care of it.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: egschade on December 10, 2018, 05:35:15 AM
Am considering moving up model from my V7 III for better suspension and a bit more power. I have my eye on the V85 but this new Speed Twin could sway me to Triumph. Don't ride long distance that often so the smaller tank doesn't really bother me and the standard/sporty control layout is fine. It will come down to availability, ride and cost of the two bikes. It's going to be an interesting spring, even more so if MG announces a sportier version of  the V85.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Shorty on December 10, 2018, 10:05:39 AM
They're right were they should be, albeit, a little high.    Some lowering pegs from Knight Design, or one of the others posted on the various V7 threads ought to take care of it.

Or, a set of controls from the Bonnie Bobber.  (https://cdp.azureedge.net/products-private/prod/708b515b-d353-41c0-a784-e7eb1f0f7bef/cd55e5aa-4786-4409-a694-d3ee76771e3c/00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000/dbab5a13-b0d2-4ef0-b179-a8030111c270/0d55e63c-3bcd-4390-9b4b-a8ba01631a1b/6000000011.jpg)
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Kev m on December 10, 2018, 10:46:00 AM
Or, a set of controls from the Bonnie Bobber.  (https://cdp.azureedge.net/products-private/prod/708b515b-d353-41c0-a784-e7eb1f0f7bef/cd55e5aa-4786-4409-a694-d3ee76771e3c/00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000/dbab5a13-b0d2-4ef0-b179-a8030111c270/0d55e63c-3bcd-4390-9b4b-a8ba01631a1b/6000000011.jpg)

I wonder if it would be that simple. The controls attach to the frame or the engine cases? And are the cases the same between the Thruxton/Speed Twin and the Bobber?

After examining the Bobber close up (Jenn liked it, and it was in consideration for a brief moment) I noticed it has the mounting points for passenger pegs (like the ones that are on the SpeedMaster). It just has no mounting point for a passenger SEAT. And the Speedmaster kinda ugly-fies the Bobber.

But I do wonder if you can change the seating position on the Speed Twin.

No matter, we're a lot more likely to wind up with a Street Twin.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Shorty on December 10, 2018, 11:37:29 AM
I wonder if it would be that simple. The controls attach to the frame or the engine cases? And are the cases the same between the Thruxton/Speed Twin and the Bobber?

After examining the Bobber close up (Jenn liked it, and it was in consideration for a brief moment) I noticed it has the mounting points for passenger pegs (like the ones that are on the SpeedMaster). It just has no mounting point for a passenger SEAT. And the Speedmaster kinda ugly-fies the Bobber.

But I do wonder if you can change the seating position on the Speed Twin.

No matter, we're a lot more likely to wind up with a Street Twin.

Not sure, but here is the photo of an aftermarket forward control kit for the Bobber:  (http://www.triumphparts.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/306106.gif) 
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: twowheeladdict on December 10, 2018, 11:48:50 AM
Am considering moving up model from my V7 III for better suspension and a bit more power. I have my eye on the V85 but this new Speed Twin could sway me to Triumph. Don't ride long distance that often so the smaller tank doesn't really bother me and the standard/sporty control layout is fine. It will come down to availability, ride and cost of the two bikes. It's going to be an interesting spring, even more so if MG announces a sportier version of  the V85.

I've ridden over 10,000 feet elevation and some steep grades and never felt like I couldn't maintain speed on the V7III.   I did upgrade the front and rear suspension and now have the perfect bike to complement my other ride.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Ncdan on December 10, 2018, 05:03:02 PM
Pretty bike, I just don't like that ridding position though. Out come flood boards on her so I can get my feet a little more foreword and I'd like to ride one.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Guzzistajohn on December 10, 2018, 05:20:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbLWQ2sNO9E

Nice detail!
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Tennmoto on December 10, 2018, 06:27:13 PM
The fact that this new model has mag wheels instead of spokes is very savvy on Triumphs part.
Many of us don’t want spokes.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: keener on December 10, 2018, 10:57:18 PM
The fact that this new model has mag wheels instead of spokes is very savvy on Triumphs part.
Many of us don’t want spokes.




 :thumb:       
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Huzo on December 11, 2018, 02:54:50 AM
The fact that this new model has mag wheels instead of spokes is very savvy on Triumphs part.
Many of us don’t want spokes.
So if many of you don't want spokes, what do the others want..?
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Kev m on December 11, 2018, 05:55:43 AM
So if many of you don't want spokes, what do the others want..?

The rest don't know any better.  :boozing:
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Huzo on December 11, 2018, 09:32:22 PM
The rest don't know any better.  :boozing:
That's a bit disconcerting Kev.
I've had about 40 bikes and half of them had cast wheels, what bracket does that leave me in ?
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: wyno on December 11, 2018, 09:54:12 PM
A higher tax bracket Huzo. :evil:
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Huzo on December 11, 2018, 10:09:38 PM
A higher tax bracket Huzo. :evil:
Ahhhh..
You speak truly wise one...!
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Kev m on December 12, 2018, 06:42:26 AM
That's a bit disconcerting Kev.
I've had about 40 bikes and half of them had cast wheels, what bracket does that leave me in ?

Dude, will you please stop taking one liners seriously especially when followed by --->  :laugh: or  :grin: or  :wink: or  :kiss: or  :evil: or ESPECIALLY  :boozing:
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: kingoffleece on December 12, 2018, 07:27:51 AM
+1, kev.  Reminds me of Monsters, Inc.  "These are the jokes, kid!"

I recall being very much impressed by the T120 I rode when they first were introduced.  That same day I also rode a street cup.  The difference in turning woth the cast wheels vs. the spoke wheels was clearly evident.  It was enough to keep us from getting a spoke wheel Bonnie (again-we did have a 790 Bonnie with spokes).  A very similar package (Speed Twin) to the T120 with cast wheels ( I'll assume they will be more nimble than the spokes again) is attractive.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Huzo on December 12, 2018, 12:46:43 PM
Dude, will you please stop taking one liners seriously especially when followed by --->  :laugh: or  :grin: or  :wink: or  :kiss: or  :evil: or ESPECIALLY  :boozing:
Ok Kev.
We've spoken as you recall and I know you're a straight guy, but the thrust of your point and the humour contained within, isn't always readily identifiable from this side of the Pacific Ocean.
I'll redouble my efforts to take your meanings as intended, confident that you'll do the same mate, but you have turned well meaning argumentativeness into somewhat of an art form also... :wink:
I guess I just don't have that ingrained rapier American wit... :wink: :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Mr Pootle on December 12, 2018, 12:49:58 PM
What wrong  with the foot controls, Shorty? A bit too sporting for your taste? I never really noticed that until you mentioned it.
Rick.
They're on the wrong side.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Huzo on December 12, 2018, 05:41:57 PM
I've only ever owned one bike in my life that I've ridden on both cast and spoked wheels and I couldn't tell the difference from the rider's seat.
I should have weighed the wires versus the cast, 'cos I'm buggered if I know which is lighter..
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: kingoffleece on December 12, 2018, 07:27:54 PM
If you can try the various Bonnies back to back.  It'll be obvious.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Huzo on December 13, 2018, 12:38:09 AM
If you can try the various Bonnies back to back.  It'll be obvious.
Are the cast ones lighter ?
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: kingoffleece on December 13, 2018, 04:49:28 AM
The cast wheel/tire assembly turns noticeably quicker than the spoke steel chromed wheel/tire assembly.

Look at past issues of BIKE magazine for reports from Sir Alan Cathcart on this topic.  Or, ride them if you have the opportunity.  You won't need to be Stoner to feel the difference.  Not better, not worse.  Just.......differen t.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Sheepdog on December 13, 2018, 08:26:50 AM
The cast wheels are 17" diameter...the spoked wheels are 18" or 19".
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Huzo on December 13, 2018, 10:12:24 PM
The cast wheels are 17" diameter...the spoked wheels are 18" or 19".
So is that what gives the different feel ?
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Sheepdog on December 13, 2018, 10:31:48 PM
The rotating mass of the wheels is farther from the axle with larger diameter wheel assemblies. This slows steering and demands more effort to reach a given lean angle. It's the reason scooters with 10” wheels can be a handful at speed. I found that even 16” wheels can be a bit “darty.” 17” wheels are sort’ve the sweet spot for me...
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Huzo on December 14, 2018, 12:49:48 AM
The rotating mass of the wheels is farther from the axle with larger diameter wheel assemblies. This slows steering and demands more effort to reach a given lean angle. It's the reason scooters with 10” wheels can be a handful at speed. I found that even 16” wheels can be a bit “darty.” 17” wheels are sort’ve the sweet spot for me...
Alrighty then...!
That'll do me for now.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: kingoffleece on December 14, 2018, 09:53:15 AM
My bad.  I figured most understood the different wheel size.
It most definitely has something to do with front end feel.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: fossil on December 14, 2018, 11:57:14 AM
Ok Kev.
We've spoken as you recall and I know you're a straight guy, but the thrust of your point and the humour contained within, isn't always readily identifiable from this side of the Pacific Ocean.
I'll redouble my efforts to take your meanings as intended, confident that you'll do the same mate, but you have turned well meaning argumentativeness into somewhat of an art form also... :wink:
I guess I just don't have that ingrained rapier American wit... :wink: :wink: :wink:

 :azn: Well, on my side of the Atlantic Ocean Kev´s humour sounds very familiar - and refreshing.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Huzo on December 14, 2018, 05:12:28 PM
:azn: Well, on my side of the Atlantic Ocean Kev´s humour sounds very familiar - and refreshing.
As it does to me Fossil in general.
I did say not ALWAYS readily identifiable. But usually if something is a joke, it doesn't need to be announced as such, the humour will be self evident, I'm just not witty enough I guess.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: fossil on December 15, 2018, 04:33:41 AM
As it does to me Fossil in general.
I did say not ALWAYS readily identifiable. But usually if something is a joke, it doesn't need to be announced as such, the humour will be self evident, I'm just not witty enough I guess.

Cannot be. You are an Australian. Australians are born witty.
Title: Re: Triumph's New Speed Twin
Post by: Ncdan on December 15, 2018, 07:37:23 AM
Huzo,  I live in the SOUTHERN half of the US and we think that New Jersey, where Kev resides, is a "whole other country " too😂 sometime it may be a little unsure if they are just funning but believe me there will  be no doubt when their not, LMBO:)