Wildgoose Chase Moto Guzzi

General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: John A on December 10, 2018, 09:51:58 AM

Title: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: John A on December 10, 2018, 09:51:58 AM
https://youtu.be/1UcraSie0jk
Video of a Guzzi powered ultralight , doesn't show the installation or any close ups so it's disappointing for that, I found another one  https://youtu.be/ydXARzHeqME
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on December 10, 2018, 10:06:02 AM
 Hell, it probably has more than twice the horsepower of an original Cub.
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: John A on December 10, 2018, 12:25:33 PM
on the second one there is a brief shot of a carb, maybe a PHM 40 or a PHF so yeah at least twice the power. the first one someone asked if it was a small block
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: Lannis on December 10, 2018, 02:22:10 PM
Sure looked like some dodgy sporty flying to me, landing in between irrigation canals, taking off in between trees, is that normal for a little plane like this .... ?

Lannis
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: John A on December 10, 2018, 05:02:36 PM
well they don't like them around airports, especially with turbine powered aircraft so Id say yes, its normal
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: ohiorider on December 10, 2018, 05:47:06 PM
I think Cubs were powered by a Continental flat 4 that produced about 65hp.

Bob
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on December 10, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
I think Cubs were powered by a Continental flat 4 that produced about 65hp.

Bob

That was the A-40 Continental.. 40 hp. The first cub (E2) was designed by C.G. Taylor (Taylorcraft) who was screwed out of his company by a money guy named Piper for chump change.. :evil: The rest is history.
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: Testarossa on December 10, 2018, 05:56:58 PM
Looks like they were troubleshooting something -- an electrical connection? On the final flight they got 6000 rpm for climb at about 600 fpm (unless the instruments are metric). Engine certainly sounded smoother on that last flight.
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: guzzisteve on December 10, 2018, 06:15:33 PM
There was a dealer from Chicago that retired to FL that built one, Frank W had a write-up in the newsletter about it.

If you want to make one here's a gear reduction unit---http://www.aerotech-poland.com/index.php?go=6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAFUnadDIuI

Been watching this builders videos, seen them a few years back too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb7xLeOJm2g
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: n3303j on December 10, 2018, 09:34:09 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/BVJcrPp/58888335d02d6205584930-672x372.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BVJcrPp)

Meanwhile this is a BMW S1000RR powered experimental aircraft (ducted fan).
 
(https://i.ibb.co/3knpB1W/34682013695-65bc760440-b.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3knpB1W)
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: jas67 on December 10, 2018, 10:13:03 PM
Wow, that's cool.   Any more info on that?


(https://i.ibb.co/BVJcrPp/58888335d02d6205584930-672x372.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BVJcrPp)

Meanwhile this is a BMW R1000RR powered experimental aircraft (ducted fan).
 
(https://i.ibb.co/3knpB1W/34682013695-65bc760440-b.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3knpB1W)

Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: oldbike54 on December 10, 2018, 10:25:41 PM
 Well, that's one way of fixing the leaky bevel box problem .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: n3303j on December 11, 2018, 12:55:23 AM
More information;
https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/this-bmw-s1000rr-powered-airplane-will-blow-your-mind
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: Rusnak_322 on December 11, 2018, 10:17:07 AM
is it possible to call anything with a Moto Guzzi motor an ultralight? Seems like an oxymoron. 
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: guzzisteve on December 11, 2018, 11:02:59 AM
I seen one last night had a turbo V11 Sport motor, another had a Norge 2V motor.
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: Lannis on December 11, 2018, 11:13:04 AM
is it possible to call anything with a Moto Guzzi motor an ultralight? Seems like an oxymoron.

I'm the same way.  I always thought of "ultralights" as those kites with a lawn chair underneath and a chainsaw motor on the back ... Something with a Guzzi engine, what looks like a cabin, and 3-axis control is bound to be something else, like whatever you call those lightened Cubs that can take off in 10 feet into the wind and "hover" to a landing ....

Lannis
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: twowheeladdict on December 11, 2018, 11:57:02 AM
In 1996 I worked with the Hunter UAV which had two Moto Guzzi engines.  One fore and on aft connected to propellers. 

I have no idea how or why those engines were chosen since the UAV was a partnership between an Israeli and American companies.
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: Tusayan on December 11, 2018, 12:51:23 PM
In 1996 I worked with the Hunter UAV which had two Moto Guzzi engines.  One fore and on aft connected to propellers. 

I have no idea how or why those engines were chosen since the UAV was a partnership between an Israeli and American companies.

The development was originally Israeli until TRW became the agent for sale to the US Army.  Italy is close to Israel.  Eventually the Guzzi engines were replaced by Thielert Diesel engines, which are German manufactured.

The word ultralight is used differently in various countries as the certification regulations are national, not based on international criteria.  As time has gone on, the term has in many countries been expanded to include ever larger planes.  In the US, Ultralight still means unregulated aircraft under 254 lbs.  Larger aircraft in the US are regulated by FAA and called Light Sport and/or Experimental Amateur Built etc
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: gliderjohn on December 11, 2018, 02:08:10 PM
In the USA it would be under the light sport aircraft which are 1,350 pounds or less if I recall correctly.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: Tusayan on December 11, 2018, 02:27:26 PM
In the USA it would be under the light sport aircraft which are 1,350 pounds or less if I recall correctly.
GliderJohn

Yes, 1320 lb gross weight versus 254 lb empty weight for US ultralight.
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: ohiorider on December 11, 2018, 11:09:56 PM
That was the A-40 Continental.. 40 hp. The first cub (E2) was designed by C.G. Taylor (Taylorcraft) who was screwed out of his company by a money guy named Piper for chump change.. :evil: The rest is history.
Chuck, did any of the early Cubs have a larger engine? 

Bob
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: Tusayan on December 11, 2018, 11:18:43 PM
The A-65 Continental came out in 1937/38 and became the baseline for Cubs. 
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on December 12, 2018, 06:40:48 AM
Here's a summation of Taylor's designs with various powerplants..
http://www.aerofiles.com/_taylor.html
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: Two Checks on December 12, 2018, 02:26:24 PM
Stark Aerospace a division of Israeli Aerospace performs the maintenance on the Hunters these days in Columbus, MS.
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: ohiorider on December 13, 2018, 07:09:08 AM
Thanks, guys, for the Cub's hp clarification. 

Bob
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: oldbike54 on December 13, 2018, 09:19:29 AM
 So Iron Man is involved with this , cool .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on December 13, 2018, 06:55:36 PM
In 1996 I worked with the Hunter UAV which had two Moto Guzzi engines.  One fore and on aft connected to propellers. 

I have no idea how or why those engines were chosen since the UAV was a partnership between an Israeli and American companies.

I've heard of those..  :grin: :boozing:
Title: Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
Post by: John A on December 13, 2018, 08:39:57 PM
I've heard of those..  :grin: :boozing:



Some guy put one in a Guzzi, I thought it was an urban legend but I saw it at one of the rallies. I forgot to ask him if it would pull redline in fifth. :grin: :wink: he did do it justice, very nice