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Re: Tundra Factory Tour
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2019, 01:31:45 PM »
And if the truck is built in Mexico it ain't 'Murican, either.
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Re: Tundra Factory Tour
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2019, 02:00:08 PM »
I was in the Toyota dealership yesterday after seeing sales figures for 2018 and talking to the salesman I think Toyota is doing the right thing.

In 2018 there were something like 896,000 F-150 produced Dodge and Chevy were in the 600,000+ range and Tacoma's there were 296,000 produced (a 24% increase over 2017)

So yes Toyota doesn't produce the sheer amount of vehicles but they sell all they produce at or close to MSRP. On very rare occasion they offer a $1,000 discount on the Tacoma whereas Ford Chevy and Dodge ALWAY are offering $5,000 to $10,000+ off MSRP and have a tremendous amount of leftovers compared to Toyota. These leftovers are further discounted to get them to sell.

I think Toyota follows the pigs get fat hogs get slaughtered theory. Sure they could produce 900,000 Tacomas and not sell a bunch of them then deeply discount the remaining stock to clear it out. Or they can manufacturer what will sell at or very close to MSRP and be happy turning profit.

So maybe their ultimate goal isn't to have the #1 truck sales spot. Maybe it's to make a profit??

So, that is good news for investors in Toyota, but not consumers who are overpaying for their truck.   :thumb:
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Re: Tundra Factory Tour
« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2019, 03:20:24 PM »
And if the truck is built in Mexico it ain't 'Murican, either.
Works both ways.

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Re: Tundra Factory Tour
« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2019, 04:19:55 PM »
So, that is good news for investors in Toyota, but not consumers who are overpaying for their truck.   :thumb:

Like the $55,000 Ram 1500 that is discounted $18,000 making the buyer feel likes hes getting a $55,000 truck for $38,000. Then when he trades it in 5 years he get $18,000 for a trade. Then hes pissed because his $55,000 truck is worth 1/3 of the MSRP.

Then you have the $39,500 Tacoma that is discounted maybe a $1000 and if you sell it 5 year later its still worth well Ive $20,000.

How overpaid?


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Re: Tundra Factory Tour
« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2019, 05:32:49 PM »
So, that is good news for investors in Toyota, but not consumers who are overpaying for their truck.   :thumb:

Not the case with the Toyotas... At all, particularly in resale value.  KBB puts the Private Party price for my truck at $40K, and dealer trade at $37K. I paid $43, sticker was $45K so in 2 years a 5k retail / 3K sales price for private party, and 8K/6K loss trade value . 

The GMC Sierra I considered was $58K retail, could have bought for $45K.  KBB puts that truck at $34K private sale, $30K trade value.. The HD Chevy was over $65K, could have bought for $52K. KBB puts it at $46K private Party, and $42K trade in value. Dodge was even worse....I'll leave it to you to do the math and decide who is overpaying.

Had I bought the big 3, If I had to sell or trade, I'd take a huge hit in depreciation in sales price (11K-15K), and retail depreciation is even worse (24K-28K)... Not so with the Tundra and similar on Tacomas.

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Re: Tundra Factory Tour
« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2019, 05:53:35 PM »
Like the $55,000 Ram 1500 that is discounted $18,000 making the buyer feel likes hes getting a $55,000 truck for $38,000. Then when he trades it in 5 years he get $18,000 for a trade. Then hes pissed because his $55,000 truck is worth 1/3 of the MSRP.

Then you have the $39,500 Tacoma that is discounted maybe a $1000 and if you sell it 5 year later its still worth well Ive $20,000.

How overpaid?

Why are you comparing a Tacoma to a Ram 1500?  Totally different class of truck? 
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Re: Tundra Factory Tour
« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2019, 05:55:43 PM »
Not the case with the Toyotas... At all, particularly in resale value.  KBB puts the Private Party price for my truck at $40K, and dealer trade at $37K. I paid $43, sticker was $45K so in 2 years a 5k retail / 3K sales price for private party, and 8K/6K loss trade value . 

The GMC Sierra I considered was $58K retail, could have bought for $45K.  KBB puts that truck at $34K private sale, $30K trade value.. The HD Chevy was over $65K, could have bought for $52K. KBB puts it at $46K private Party, and $42K trade in value. Dodge was even worse....I'll leave it to you to do the math and decide who is overpaying.

Had I bought the big 3, If I had to sell or trade, I'd take a huge hit in depreciation in sales price (11K-15K), and retail depreciation is even worse (24K-28K)... Not so with the Tundra and similar on Tacomas.

Not a fan boy, just happy with the facts....

What person is going to pay $3000 less to buy used over new?  No one I know. 
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Re: Tundra Factory Tour
« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2019, 06:26:50 PM »
Why are you comparing a Tacoma to a Ram 1500?  Totally different class of truck?

Somebody needs a tissue..........  :drool: It's about resale value my friend. That's never been an issue for me, as I keep vehicles 10-15 years or more, but NFN, a few weeks ago, was out oggling Cayennes and Range Roves with my dad. We drove my truck, and when we got back from the test drive on a CPO Cayenne, the dealer had an offer and paper work offering me $40K trade for my truck on the 'no haggle' price of the Cayenne. Was tempting for a few seconds. Not sure I could have resisted if the Panamera GTS we also looked at was at the same price point.... Serious lust for that car.

Point is, Toyota trucks hold their value. I think this is true for most full size trucks, Ford in particular when compared to passenger cars.
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Re: Tundra Factory Tour
« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2019, 07:00:33 PM »
Dec 09 I bought a 2010 4x4 Tundra ext cab cheapest thing they had. Sticker $30 k. bought it  at 27+ tax $30,013 OTD.
My son wrecked it twice and wife once. (Long story) I traded it with 77,000 miles on it on a new 2017 (one step up and another 10% off deal) Dec 2016 when it needed $3000 in body damage repairs. New one was $40000 bought for $37000 +tax but they still gave me $17500 for the trade. Adding the 3K  and tires it needed thats $20500 for 7 years and 77000 miles (0 in repairs of any kind) not figuring tax thats $6500 for seven years and a dismal car fax sheet. No way that happens with a F,C,D.
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Re: Tundra Factory Tour
« Reply #69 on: March 20, 2019, 06:18:40 AM »
If you want to know who is overpaying look at the prices for rusted out hulks with 200k plus miles on them.
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Re: Tundra Factory Tour
« Reply #70 on: March 20, 2019, 10:29:03 AM »
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