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Re: Future classics
« Reply #90 on: December 18, 2018, 08:45:35 PM »
No, by and large most software development types I've known from college through today are mostly a different demographic by far, especially these days. I mean these days they are the poster children for millennials and their econtent world. That's so far removed from the gear head demo it's ridiculous.

Sure Jay is an EE, but I can't think of a single other EE or a software guy from our fraternity who was a gear head even back then.

In my EE dept. of 11, there are two gearheads, me and one other.
That's also about the ratio in the ME depts in my immediate area of the company.    All the gearheads on both dept are over 40.

NONE of the millenials in either engineering dept. are gearheads.    And, most of them are in the "I can't wait for self-driving cars" group.

That said, I do know a few under 30 motorcycle riders.

Also, the demographics at the track days I've been to are encouraging too.   There seemed to fair number under 30 riders.  In fact I think there was a pretty even distribution of riders from ages 20 to 65.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #91 on: December 18, 2018, 09:14:49 PM »
HAHAHA sorry man. Time to break out the MAGA gear and have some fun hurting feelings....

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Re: Future classics
« Reply #92 on: December 19, 2018, 04:02:51 AM »
A bit of a cross thread post here that sits somewhere in the middle of this and the current Vincent thread, but probably more suited here. A gentleman name Lannis (I have not met him so hopefully is not insulted by the term) posted about  his one and only Vincent ride.

To quote him he said "It was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity provided by a good friend to whom I will be forever grateful, but it also dissolved any "bucket list" dreams I might have had about cashing in all my existing bikes and sinking it into a Vincent for regular riding ....  I'm very happy now without one, instead of having this gnawing "Should I?  Should I?  I only live once ..." feeling ...."

I have said before about old popular classic motorcycles with a reputation for being a nice ride. If you ever have the chance to ride one you have to say it is a great ride, because if you don't you obviously don't know what you are talking about. If you purchase one you have to spread the legend of how great a bike they are. If you don't the value may fall when you try and sell it or yours is a bad example and not worth any money. If you criticize it after you sell it you must of just had a bad example that you didn't know how to maintain. If you have not ridden one or owned one your opinion is worthless.

Lannis appears to be content with his ride and I have no doubt he is happy with his experience but for him the bike at the current going price would not replace the enjoyment he gets from his current bike/s. I commend him for his honesty as it sort of goes against the above statement. I note it was not criticism of the bike but it obviously had some traits that didn't quite make him have to have one at any price.   

I am at this situation with an itch to acquire a 1971 Guzzi Ambassador. I have never had the opportunity to ride one, I just like the look and sound and am drawn to them. I know these are already considered classics and the prices are on the rise for a good one. What I would like to know is what are these really like to ride in a 2018 environment. Am I likely to have a Lannis moment and think, great experience but . I am really interested and may be worthy of a separate post. Please let me know your thoughts.

This also links in with the whole future classics thing. A 10 year old sports bike is no longer anywhere near the cutting edge of sports bike performance and now is just a moderately fast slightly uncomfortable bike. A 10 year old Californian can still transport its rider at a relaxed pace across country with a lower weight penalty than the new one so in some respects may be an equal or better bike.
Part of the reason I ride bikes is because of the way they make me feel. Is the way a bike will ride in 10 to 20 years time a contributing factor to being a future classic.

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Re: Future classics
« Reply #93 on: December 19, 2018, 05:35:56 AM »
..A 10 year old sports bike is no longer anywhere near the cutting edge of sports bike performance and now is just a moderately fast slightly uncomfortable bike.

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Some 'classics' can still shake a tail feather.  Here's an interesting comparison of old vs new.

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Re: Future classics
« Reply #94 on: December 19, 2018, 06:13:46 AM »
Reidy, the thing with the loop Guzzis-they are fantastic to ride, only the brakes are not up to modern spec. And frankly you just get used to that.

Ridden as originally intended the whole lineup is still a superb motorcycle.

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Re: Future classics
« Reply #95 on: December 19, 2018, 06:33:09 AM »
I bought a 10 year old 1978 Honda 550 four SS for $400.  Rode it for 5 years and sold it for $800.

I bought a 1993 Honda XR250L  in ~2008 for $600 and sold it in 2012 for $1100.  The guy I sold it to got $1100 trade in on a new electric start dual sport a couple years later.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #96 on: December 19, 2018, 06:30:10 PM »
Or, take a chance and pick a bike that's already a classic.  Thinking about ....
- BMW R90S
- MG 1000S
They're both pricey, and the bottom could fall out of that market.  But probably not.  These things aren't Vincents, they're German and Italian bikes that were somewhat rare when they were introduced.  But not horribly rare.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #97 on: December 19, 2018, 06:40:27 PM »
Or, take a chance and pick a bike that's already a classic.  Thinking about ....
- BMW R90S
- MG 1000S
They're both pricey, and the bottom could fall out of that market.  But probably not.  These things aren't Vincents, they're German and Italian bikes that were somewhat rare when they were introduced.  But not horribly rare.

The MG 1000S is substantially more rare than the R90S.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #98 on: December 19, 2018, 06:49:39 PM »
No one mentioned the RZ-350

or what about the two stroke GP replicas that weren't sold here like Suzuki Gamma,  and Yammies and Hondas?

Kaw triples?

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Re: Future classics
« Reply #99 on: December 19, 2018, 06:54:48 PM »
Both are pricey, but only the 1000S is "horribly rare", compared to the BMW. IIRC, about a hundred or so imported.

 
Or, take a chance and pick a bike that's already a classic.  Thinking about ....
- BMW R90S
- MG 1000S
They're both pricey, and the bottom could fall out of that market.  But probably not.  These things aren't Vincents, they're German and Italian bikes that were somewhat rare when they were introduced.  But not horribly rare.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #100 on: December 19, 2018, 08:21:07 PM »
The days of finding a decent RZ 350 for $2,500 are long over.  Gammas and other 500cc smokers have been pricey for years.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #101 on: December 19, 2018, 08:34:12 PM »
Ive owned two R90s BMWs and I sold both to buy Laverdas at different times. They are lovely bikes but not without some pretty major limitations. I still look at smoke orange ones and would love another but they are now pricey for what you get. My first one was $2000 Australian in 1986 when no one really wanted them and it was a goodun. If a 90s and a 1000s came up for the same money I would go for the goose.  I also had a Kawa triple and spent a load doing it up before they started pulling good money. They really were quite awful bikes but I would have another tomorrow. It went back to Japan with the new owner and I took a loss on the work I did.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #102 on: December 19, 2018, 09:09:33 PM »
If a 90s and a 1000s came up for the same money I would go for the goose. 

Absolutely!    I would say in the similar condition, the 1000S is definitely going to bring more money.

If you're patient, you can still find a nice R90S for $7-$9k.   A nice 1000S is going to cost you $12-$15k.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #103 on: December 20, 2018, 06:12:04 AM »
Absolutely!    I would say in the similar condition, the 1000S is definitely going to bring more money.

If you're patient, you can still find a nice R90S for $7-$9k.   A nice 1000S is going to cost you $12-$15k.

Then what are 850 LeMans going for these days?

The 1000s is nice but a bit of a parts bin special- ahead of their time, I suspect theyd sell well these days.

If it was even money Id go the round fin every time.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #104 on: December 20, 2018, 07:02:54 AM »
How about the new FTR1200?  I guess it depends on how well it sales.

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Re: Future classics
« Reply #105 on: December 20, 2018, 08:25:09 AM »
Then what are 850 LeMans going for these days?

The 1000s is nice but a bit of a parts bin special- ahead of their time, I suspect theyd sell well these days.

If it was even money Id go the round fin every time.

Buy both if that is an option.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #106 on: December 20, 2018, 08:28:31 AM »
Then what are 850 LeMans going for these days?

The 1000s is nice but a bit of a parts bin special- ahead of their time, I suspect theyd sell well these days.

If it was even money Id go the round fin every time.
Ist gen LeMans seem to sell from $4000 to $25000, I'm sure mine is in the lower end!
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #107 on: December 20, 2018, 08:34:30 AM »
Ist gen LeMans seem to sell from $4000 to $25000, I'm sure mine is in the lower end!

Yeah, mine came in boxes for $3,500.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #108 on: December 20, 2018, 09:12:19 AM »
If Guzz loops were going to become classics they would be by now. So ZX7R 91/2 era with the vacuum cleaner hose intakes, Slingshot GSXR750 888 Ducatis have already gone silly. If you come across a low miles 94 Ducati 916 or 916SP I'd grab it with both hands 750 Katana with the pop up headlight. First Gen ZZR1100R RGV250/Aprilia RS250, First Gen Hyabusa, First Gen R1 specifically the one with the red and white paint scheme and first gen Honda Fireblade 919.

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Re: Future classics
« Reply #109 on: December 20, 2018, 05:31:55 PM »
Then what are 850 LeMans going for these days?

The 1000s is nice but a bit of a parts bin special- ahead of their time, I suspect theyd sell well these days.

If it was even money Id go the round fin every time.

A nice, well sorted, 850 (mk1) LeMans can fetch $15-18k these days.   In the last year, I've been 850 Le Mans, both mk1 and Le Mans III.   A decent Le Mans III can be had for as little as $5k-$6k, with near-perfect examples fetching $8k-$9k.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #110 on: December 20, 2018, 06:25:13 PM »
If Guzz loops were going to become classics they would be by now. So ZX7R 91/2 era with the vacuum cleaner hose intakes, Slingshot GSXR750 888 Ducatis have already gone silly. If you come across a low miles 94 Ducati 916 or 916SP I'd grab it with both hands 750 Katana with the pop up headlight. First Gen ZZR1100R RGV250/Aprilia RS250, First Gen Hyabusa, First Gen R1 specifically the one with the red and white paint scheme and first gen Honda Fireblade 919.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #111 on: December 20, 2018, 06:53:28 PM »
I always thought the 4th generation Triumph Thunderbird (1994 to 2003) had such a nice classic look. Know mostly for their bullet proof triple cylinder Hinckley motors, I was always keeping an eye out for one. I found this one about 3 years ago and fixed her up.



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Re: Future classics
« Reply #112 on: December 20, 2018, 06:58:51 PM »
 To bad Triumph didn't keep these in the line with the newer motors.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #113 on: December 20, 2018, 07:40:22 PM »
The first generation Hinckley Triumphs are fantastic machines. Unfortunately they have not caught on and prices are miserably low. Even the Flagship limited edition daytona Super III can be had for a reasonable price. A really clean Thunderbird with low miles can be had for about $2,500 bucks. Oddly, the Tbird sport commands the most $.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #114 on: December 20, 2018, 08:19:21 PM »
I always thought the 4th generation Triumph Thunderbird (1994 to 2003) had such a nice classic look. Know mostly for their bullet proof triple cylinder Hinckley motors, I was always keeping an eye out for one. I found this one about 3 years ago and fixed her up.



Great looking bike. I've ridden one and liked it, even if it is far from my wheelhouse.

I could see these becoming sought after one day.

But I dunno or care about that.
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Re: Future classics
« Reply #115 on: December 21, 2018, 08:52:08 AM »
Mine came already cooked!



Yikes. What's it look like now?
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« Reply #116 on: December 21, 2018, 03:15:52 PM »


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Re: Future classics
« Reply #117 on: December 21, 2018, 05:59:08 PM »
Great looking bike. I've ridden one and liked it, even if it is far from my wheelhouse.

I could see these becoming sought after one day.

But I dunno or care about that.
I've always liked the looks of this generation of Triumph!  Don't know how they ride or handle, but to me, they're great looking machines ....... kind of a modern spin on the 1960s Bonnevilles.

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Re: Future classics
« Reply #118 on: December 22, 2018, 09:47:17 PM »
I always thought the 4th generation Triumph Thunderbird (1994 to 2003) had such a nice classic look. Know mostly for their bullet proof triple cylinder Hinckley motors, I was always keeping an eye out for one. I found this one about 3 years ago and fixed her up.



I loved that whole line.  The T-bird sport, the Legend...  I think they got a bad rap as a new Brit UJM.  Never met an owner that didn't love and had no real problems with one.

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