1100 Sport F/S in Arizona

[bigbikerrick]

Hello Folks, I ran into this fuel injected sport for sale on CL. No connection to seller. I was always under the impression that these fine bikes were slowly appreciating in
 value. It seems lately they have been going kinda cheap. I never thought they would drop below 5 grand ! Whats going on with vintage Guzzi values? I mean, they are not making any more of these!
Rick.

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/mcy/d/chandler-97-moto-guzzi-1100i-sport/7030301230.html

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

There is a local guy here with a pretty nice carbed Sport with about 25k miles.... it has a full Termignoni exhaust with carbon cans and some ultralight Marvic wheels....  He wants 7k for it, it's been "for sale" going on 4 years. He wont budge on the price, but he doesnt ride it an it's sitting in his garage

Seems like the rate for a rider at this point is deff <5k
I'm sure a very perfect example with goodies like a Creedon chip or Mikuni carbs, staintune exhaust, fork conversion, performance parts, period carbon bits, or a euro fairing conversion might command more... But this isnt a high-demand bike.  Seems like $7-10k is Daytona money..  Most sports I see trading hands look to be about $4.5k

[bigbikerrick]

I think your asessment is spot on ,Mayor. Also ,something Ive noticed,and it probably has to do with the aging demographics of the average Guzzisti. The bikes that are "sporting" seem to go down slightly,or stay the same in value, but the more comfortable bikes seem to hold  their value better. I am thinking T-3 vs V 11 sports . V 11 sports values seem to be going down, where nice clean T-3s, and similar seem to be increasing, although slowly.
Rick.

[jwinwi]

I treasure my Blue Spot more than any other bike I've ever owned or ridden but... They are rare but not rare enough to command premium prices: If there are 5 for sale at any one time, there's probably not more than 3 people who want one!
Same basic principle applies to the Sport i even though I'm sure someone will point out how vastly superior the Sport i is 

[Turin]

They weren't extremely popular when new. Ergos were not kind, and power was not cutting edge. I'd say its closest competitors were the Duc 900ss and the buell thunderbolt.
Guzzi fixed the comfort issue with the V11 sport that came later.
They are fantastic machines. I'd have one over a 1000S any day.

[rschrum]

I find my 1100 sport more comfortable than my V11 was, but everyone is built different.
   

[MedicAndy]

Most 1100 Sport owners or buyers who are trying to sell their bike, or the people who want to buy a 1100 Sport have two major issues to deal with......

1st) You get what you pay for, and I should know, since I bought ten of them! Pay $4.5k or less for a 1100 Sport, and I will guarantee you that you will need to spend another $1.5k - $2k, or even more to get her sorted. Odds are also pretty good that you will get a mostly stock bike when you pay $4.5k, which will be laking a performance exhaust, chip, or other nice upgrades. 

2nd) Moto Guzzi owners, mostly the ones that have probably never ridden one know more about the 1100 Sports then the people who actually own or owned them. A lot of people know on how to repeat what they have heard from other people, who probably have also never seen or ridden one of those bikes in person either. I never understood why many Moto Guzzi riders love to downgrade the brand that they suppose to like so much.

I have just sold two 1100 Sports last week, and I guarantee you that they did not sell for $4.5k or less. I got what I expected to get out of both bikes, and both buyers absolutely loved those bikes when they came last weekend to pick them up.

One of the 1100 Sports I sold was almost 100% stock, which is exactly what the new owner was looking for. He wanted a great taken care off original 1100 Sport.

The second owner fell in love with the 1997 that I sold to him. A beautiful & perfect well taken care of bike. It did have the Creedon Chip, the full Mistral exhaust, new Brembo brakes, the original air-box, manual, tool kit, new battery, and a hand written service record dating back from when the bike was new.

I have stated this many times here before! Don't just look at a picture or a particular bike for sale and question why this particular model is still cheap or the value doesn't go up.  I don't know anything about the bike for sale now on CL, but I will guarantee you, without knowing anything on that bike, that you are going to spend about $1.5k for this bike after the purchase. Things like new tires, service, brakes....... Almost every 1100 Sport I bought needed those items.

And talking about the selling / buying history of to the owners / buyers who are trying to sell / buy an 1100 Sport...... I don't know what people are getting / paid for their bikes, but I will tell you that I have spend between $5k to $8.5k for eight of the ten 1100 Sports I bought during the last two years, and then there is the additional cost for servicing, tires, brakes, shipping, and so on.   

I have two more bikes that I may or may not sell, which already have buyers who are willing to pay my asking price. So the way I see it, the value of a 1100 Sport, which was taken care off and is coming with nice upgrades has gone up since I bought my first 1100 Sport four years ago. 

So the way I see it, you have two type of 1100 Sport buyers out there. The ones who look for that cheap bargain, and then put a lot of $$$ into them, and the ones who are particular on what they will place into their stable, people like me who pay up for a well taken care off and sorted out bike, which is coming with lots of nice upgrades.

Also, when people are talking on how uncomfortable to ride the 1100 Sport is...... The 1100 Sport was not meant to be ridden as a land cruiser. It's a Sport bike. I also would assume that any Sports bike (not touring bike) is going to be uncomfortable for you to ride if you think that the 1100 Sport is hard on you. And if you want to talk about a uncomfortable longer distance Sport bike, then lets talk about my 1996 GSXR1100, but that can wait until some other time.

And yes, I have a dog in this race!!!

ps:  Please let me know of any well sorted Daytonas you guys find for sale for $7k. I would love to buy me a couple of them.

[bigbikerrick]

your word on the 1100 sports is "gospel", Andy! If there is anyone that knows their stuff about these bikes, its you. I agree there are always people out there willing to pay more for a well sorted, machine from a known enthusiast. I know I will. Most of us here have been around long enough to know that a "bargain" isnt always a bargain in the long run. my Dad used to always tell me "Lo barato sale caro"  which translates to " Something cheap, always ends up being expensive"
Rick.

[bigbikerrick]

I find my 1100 sport more comfortable than my V11 was, but everyone is built different.
   

Thats a beautiful example Rschrum! Gotta admit....those thoroughbreds, are pure Italian sex on wheels!   
Rick.

[cliffrod]

Most 1100 Sport owners or buyers who are trying to sell their bike, or the people who want to buy a 1100 Sport have two major issues to deal with......

1st) You get what you pay for, and I should know, since I bought ten of them! Pay $4.5k or less for a 1100 Sport, and I will guarantee you that you will need to spend another $1.5k - $2k, or even more to get her sorted. Odds are also pretty good that you will get a mostly stock bike when you pay $4.5k, which will be laking a performance exhaust, chip, or other nice upgrades. 

2nd) Moto Guzzi owners, mostly the ones that have probably never ridden one know more about the 1100 Sports then the people who actually own or owned them. A lot of people know on how to repeat what they have heard from other people, who probably have also never seen or ridden one of those bikes in person either. I never understood why many Moto Guzzi riders love to downgrade the brand that they suppose to like so much.

I have just sold two 1100 Sports last week, and I guarantee you that they did not sell for $4.5k or less. I got what I expected to get out of both bikes, and both buyers absolutely loved those bikes when they came last weekend to pick them up.

One of the 1100 Sports I sold was almost 100% stock, which is exactly what the new owner was looking for. He wanted a great taken care off original 1100 Sport.

The second owner fell in love with the 1997 that I sold to him. A beautiful & perfect well taken care of bike. It did have the Creedon Chip, the full Mistral exhaust, new Brembo brakes, the original air-box, manual, tool kit, new battery, and a hand written service record dating back from when the bike was new.

I have stated this many times here before! Don't just look at a picture or a particular bike for sale and question why this particular model is still cheap or the value doesn't go up.  I don't know anything about the bike for sale now on CL, but I will guarantee you, without knowing anything on that bike, that you are going to spend about $1.5k for this bike after the purchase. Things like new tires, service, brakes....... Almost every 1100 Sport I bought needed those items.

And talking about the selling / buying history of to the owners / buyers who are trying to sell / buy an 1100 Sport...... I don't know what people are getting / paid for their bikes, but I will tell you that I have spend between $5k to $8.5k for eight of the ten 1100 Sports I bought during the last two years, and then there is the additional cost for servicing, tires, brakes, shipping, and so on.   

I have two more bikes that I may or may not sell, which already have buyers who are willing to pay my asking price. So the way I see it, the value of a 1100 Sport, which was taken care off and is coming with nice upgrades has gone up since I bought my first 1100 Sport four years ago. 

So the way I see it, you have two type of 1100 Sport buyers out there. The ones who look for that cheap bargain, and then put a lot of $$$ into them, and the ones who are particular on what they will place into their stable, people like me who pay up for a well taken care off and sorted out bike, which is coming with lots of nice upgrades.

Also, when people are talking on how uncomfortable to ride the 1100 Sport is...... The 1100 Sport was not meant to be ridden as a land cruiser. It's a Sport bike. I also would assume that any Sports bike (not touring bike) is going to be uncomfortable for you to ride if you think that the 1100 Sport is hard on you. And if you want to talk about a uncomfortable longer distance Sport bike, then lets talk about my 1996 GSXR1100, but that can wait until some other time.

And yes, I have a dog in this race!!!

ps:  Please let me know of any well sorted Daytonas you guys find for sale for $7k. I would love to buy me a couple of them.

This is the best post I've yet seen on WG.  Actual btdt wisdom- very cool.  Thanks, Andy.

[blackcat]

”I never understood why many Moto Guzzi riders love to downgrade the brand that they suppose to like so much.“

This. 

And I’m not selling my Daytona for $7K.

[Devildog]

No, Blackcat, my Daytona's not for sale either, I bought the Sport to keep Low miles on the Daytona.
But that's well written Andy, I agree with you it took money to get my Sport carb where she is now, and with only 4500 miles on her I'm up there with the plus $7k crowd.
Air cooled Ducati prices have steadily risen in the past 10 years, and now even the Cagiva era bikes are out of my budget. Interestingly, Aprilia Mille R bikes are on the rise, so is the 999, both more modern post 2000 era; hopefully the Sport should follow the other Italians sooner or later.
 

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Most 1100 Sport owners or buyers who are trying to sell their bike, or the people who want to buy a 1100 Sport have two major issues to deal with......

1st) You get what you pay for, and I should know, since I bought ten of them! Pay $4.5k or less for a 1100 Sport, and I will guarantee you that you will need to spend another $1.5k - $2k, or even more to get her sorted. Odds are also pretty good that you will get a mostly stock bike when you pay $4.5k, which will be laking a performance exhaust, chip, or other nice upgrades. 

2nd) Moto Guzzi owners, mostly the ones that have probably never ridden one know more about the 1100 Sports then the people who actually own or owned them. A lot of people know on how to repeat what they have heard from other people, who probably have also never seen or ridden one of those bikes in person either. I never understood why many Moto Guzzi riders love to downgrade the brand that they suppose to like so much.

I have just sold two 1100 Sports last week, and I guarantee you that they did not sell for $4.5k or less. I got what I expected to get out of both bikes, and both buyers absolutely loved those bikes when they came last weekend to pick them up.

One of the 1100 Sports I sold was almost 100% stock, which is exactly what the new owner was looking for. He wanted a great taken care off original 1100 Sport.

The second owner fell in love with the 1997 that I sold to him. A beautiful & perfect well taken care of bike. It did have the Creedon Chip, the full Mistral exhaust, new Brembo brakes, the original air-box, manual, tool kit, new battery, and a hand written service record dating back from when the bike was new.

I have stated this many times here before! Don't just look at a picture or a particular bike for sale and question why this particular model is still cheap or the value doesn't go up.  I don't know anything about the bike for sale now on CL, but I will guarantee you, without knowing anything on that bike, that you are going to spend about $1.5k for this bike after the purchase. Things like new tires, service, brakes....... Almost every 1100 Sport I bought needed those items.

And talking about the selling / buying history of to the owners / buyers who are trying to sell / buy an 1100 Sport...... I don't know what people are getting / paid for their bikes, but I will tell you that I have spend between $5k to $8.5k for eight of the ten 1100 Sports I bought during the last two years, and then there is the additional cost for servicing, tires, brakes, shipping, and so on.   

I have two more bikes that I may or may not sell, which already have buyers who are willing to pay my asking price. So the way I see it, the value of a 1100 Sport, which was taken care off and is coming with nice upgrades has gone up since I bought my first 1100 Sport four years ago. 

So the way I see it, you have two type of 1100 Sport buyers out there. The ones who look for that cheap bargain, and then put a lot of $$$ into them, and the ones who are particular on what they will place into their stable, people like me who pay up for a well taken care off and sorted out bike, which is coming with lots of nice upgrades.

Also, when people are talking on how uncomfortable to ride the 1100 Sport is...... The 1100 Sport was not meant to be ridden as a land cruiser. It's a Sport bike. I also would assume that any Sports bike (not touring bike) is going to be uncomfortable for you to ride if you think that the 1100 Sport is hard on you. And if you want to talk about a uncomfortable longer distance Sport bike, then lets talk about my 1996 GSXR1100, but that can wait until some other time.

And yes, I have a dog in this race!!!

ps:  Please let me know of any well sorted Daytonas you guys find for sale for $7k. I would love to buy me a couple of them.

'Most' sports for sale are not as nice as any of yours Andy, and thats why they are indeed selling around $4-5k. Thats why I said a stock 'rider' that hasnt had any upgrades and wasn't particularly babied is likely a $4.5k bike. You DO get what you pay for, allmost always true.

You've deff put the time, work, and research into turning a couple tired geese in that category into $6.5+k screaming eagles... But most of these that come up for sale have been used and loved and broken in... then languish in garages because they arent the most practical bike in the world but the owner knows they are great bikes and dont want to part ways.  When people finally give in and put them up for sale, they need all the stuff you mentioned- tires, brakes, paint work or detailing, tune ups and more...  THOSE are the Sports selling for $4k. The dusty bike with 25k+ miles missing the stock take-offs with a little dent in the exhaust, a scrapes on the fairing... $4k all day.
Of course if you find one like your Canadian with excellent providence, tons of period carbon farkles, tuning, exhaust, and performance upgrades... They can easily go for $7k and beyond.

[rocker59]

Man, I love to see the Sport 1100 talk.  Refreshing.

[Furbo]

20 yrs ago you could find a good clean LeMans I in the MGNOC news for $2500. Give it time and I think the "Spots" are going to go up in value, particularly the early ones with the carbs and the 'hole' in the frame.

As Andy said, they were made to be a sport bike, and it's the last time Guzzi really tried to do that. It's a shame they aren't more comfortable as I have a hunch that alot of Le Mans riders were in or approaching their 40's when they came out....so.  Guzzzi left that "gentlemans sporster'  nitch open until what....2001? Bad business move. 

[bigbikerrick]

I am curious....as  I have always admired the 1100 sports, but have never swung a leg over one. How does  the riding position of the sports compare to a Lemans IV 1000?  I would imagine the 1100 is more aggressive, because the ergonomics on my LM IV are not bad at all, especially with the adjustable tarozzi clip ons in the highest position.
Rick.

[Petrus Rocks]

Well, I'm waiting for a nice Sport to come my way.  I have been slowly upgrading my Tonti frame into a cafe but the Daytona and Sport are bella gravissimo to me!  There's a few girls in the crib that will have to go...beautiful bikes and it will happen.

[rocker59]

I am curious....as  I have always admired the 1100 sports, but have never swung a leg over one. How does  the riding position of the sports compare to a Lemans IV 1000?  I would imagine the 1100 is more aggressive, because the ergonomics on my LM IV are not bad at all, especially with the adjustable tarozzi clip ons in the highest position.
Rick.

If you've ever sat on a Ducati 916 or 748, that is sorta what it's like.

A LM1000 seating position feels a lot more "standard", by comparison.

[Turin]

+1 on never selling my Daytona RS. Almost 20 years of ownership now.

If we are talking about getting what you pay for, 7K might get you a really roached Daytona. ( get you a really nice Centauro though).

[bigbikerrick]

If you've ever sat on a Ducati 916 or 748, that is sorta what it's like.

A LM1000 seating position feels a lot more "standard", by comparison.

Thanks Rocker,
I have ridden a Ducati supersport years ago. I think it was a 998, but not positive. It did have a "cannister" type muffler under the tail. I remember thinking that Italians must have very long arms, as the grips required quite a stretch to reach. I remember almost laying on the tank, and having to pull my helmet rearward on my head to be able to see forward well.
 My Lemans IV on the other hand feels very similar to a honda VFRs ergos.
Rick

[rocker59]

Thanks Rocker,
I have ridden a Ducati supersport years ago. I think it was a 998, but not positive. It did have a "cannister" type muffler under the tail. I remember thinking that Italians must have very long arms, as the grips required quite a stretch to reach. I remember almost laying on the tank, and having to pull my helmet rearward on my head to be able to see forward well.
 My Lemans IV on the other hand feels very similar to a honda VFRs ergos.
Rick

916/996/998.   Yes, you have an idea, though the rear shape of the Guzzi tank is much more agreeable".

[Tusayan]

I have a 996 and a Daytona RS, which has seating identical to an 1100 Sport.  The RS is much more comfortable than the 996: flatter, roomier seat, taller bars and generally more room to move around.  I have ridden an 1100 Sport a thousand miles in a day (although it was at age 35) but wouldn’t consider riding the 996 more than maybe 150 miles daily - it’s a torture rack by comparison, less comfortable than a bevel SS and the least comfortable street bike I have owned.

I also have a LeMans II and it is substantially more comfortable than either - enough so that it was used as my main touring ride for about a decade. 

[rocker59]

I have a 996 and a Daytona RS, which has seating identical to an 1100 Sport.  The RS is much more comfortable than the 996: flatter, roomier seat, taller bars and generally more room to move around.  I have ridden an 1100 Sport a thousand miles in a day (although it was at age 35) but wouldn’t consider riding the 996 more than maybe 150 miles daily - it’s a torture rack by comparison, less comfortable than a bevel SS and the least comfortable street bike I have owned.
 

It's the most similar comparison I could come up with.  Sure, there are some differences.  I've owned a Sport 1100 and ridden 996s and 748s when working at a Triumph/Ducati/Moto Guzzi dealership.  They're similar enough for me that I could ride either over the same distances, though there is LOTS more room on the Guzzi seat that really helps.

My last big day on a Sport 1100 was the Colorado Classic 1000, back in June 2015.  My 48 year old body survived the 21-hour ride surprisingly well.  Many 400-800 days on that bike.  It was a good one.

[jpv7]

I have a 996 and a Daytona RS, which has seating identical to an 1100 Sport.  The RS is much more comfortable than the 996: flatter, roomier seat, taller bars and generally more room to move around.  I have ridden an 1100 Sport a thousand miles in a day (although it was at age 35) but wouldn’t consider riding the 996 more than maybe 150 miles daily - it’s a torture rack by comparison, less comfortable than a bevel SS and the least comfortable street bike I have owned.

I also have a LeMans II and it is substantially more comfortable than either - enough so that it was used as my main touring ride for about a decade.

Lol...After retiring my 916 from track duty, I thought I'd convert her over to street duty.  I was 35 the last time I rode it on the street and could do 500 mile days on it.  Fast forward 16 years, and off I go...for the last time.  That hurt.  As much as I hated doing it, I had to sell it.  But I'd love to try an 1100 for a day - it looks like an awesome machine.

[Furbo]

I am curious....as  I have always admired the 1100 sports, but have never swung a leg over one. How does  the riding position of the sports compare to a Lemans IV 1000?  I would imagine the 1100 is more aggressive, because the ergonomics on my LM IV are not bad at all, especially with the adjustable tarozzi clip ons in the highest position.
Rick.

I went from a LM V to a Sport 1100.   The Sport is much more aggressive. Bars are lower and further forward and the distance from the seat to the pegs is shorter.  The faring limits what you can do with bars. I fixed the upper on mine by fitting a V11 LM faring and some swan neck clipons. Much better. Still cramps my knees a bit tho.
 

[Lumpy Idle]

i went from an 80 t3fb  california with a great spoon seat back to my t3 with a sort of comfy breadloaf looking full seat. as everyone knows the sporti riding position and seat take a bit of getting used to but it didn't bother me that much. if anything i missed the visibility from the more upright riding position. road visibility while doing the squidly freeway work is slightly more difficult in the barking dog riding position.

the big difference was that i couldn't wear my sidi on-road boots with the sporti. i had to go back to shorter hiking boot style in order to get comfortable with the rear brake pedal.  i would prefer to ride with full boots but the sporti won't accomodate them comfortably... (YMMV.)

all told the most comfortable ride i have ever had on a bike was the t3 california with the spoon seat and the floorboards - all day long.

[pressureangle]

I paid $3500 plus $500 shipping for my '97 1100i two years ago. I knew it needed help, but the price was right and I knew I was going to change a bunch of stuff even if it didn't need it. So I'm happy with everything.

As for riding position; I'm far more comfortable on the Sport than on my '85 LM1000, even with it's Corbin saddle. I did a 10k mile tour in 8 weeks last summer on the 1100 and the last day was 875 miles. Not for everyone, for sure, but it fits me better than anything else I've ever ridden (though a close second is an '86 GSXR 1100 lol)

I put a Jeffries MyECU in it, being secure in my EFI tuning ability. Simply perfect, but demands knowledge, experience and time to perfect.

[rschrum]

I put Will Creedon's perfect chip in and spent my expertise and time doing other stuff.