sump removal 2013 V7

[ozziguzzi]

Went to top up the oil using a funnel with a plastic hose extension on it (about 150mm). Yes, the hose came off and dropped down into the innards and can't be grabbed with long nose pliers. Now will use a self tapper to secure to funnel.
Drained the sump and removed 12x M6 machine screws(bolts?) which the manual indicates hold the sump on. Can't see anything else.
Tapped the sump with a block of wood and also a rubber hammer. It doesn't want to drop. Have left filter in place.

Read Kev M's 2013 thread on sump matters but it doesn't talk about removal - only installation.

thoughts?



 

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

You need to remove the filter cover as well - long M8 bolt. It still might not come off - on my V50, I needed to tap a single edged razor blade in between the sump and case a few places before it finally came off.

[Kev m]

Sorry, I don't remember anything being difficult or stubborn. Of course the bike was brand new.

I'm sure Charlie has it right though as I dumped the oil and filter before removal so hopefully that's all it is.

Otherwise (if you removed the filter already or do so and it's still stuck) I'd say it's "baked" on and the gasket is holding it.

[ozziguzzi]

Tks Charlie and Kev.

I've just removed the oil filter but that 8mm central securing bolt is independent of the crank case. Will just ramp up the force using a wooden block.

Plenty of time - we are for the first time ever in lockdown in Northern NSW. The idiot who caused all this, knowingly bringing it from Sydney, Zoran Radanovich, is in hospital, but he's possibly spread it all over the district. For 15 months we lived in a - free bubble. Now hes managed to wreck peoples jobs and destroy businesses.

EDIT
Up until now, my toast has always landed butter side down but now forty minutes later, I walked outside and here was the sump sitting on the ground under the bike( plastic hose in the bottom).

[Kev m]

Tks Charlie and Kev.

I've just removed the oil filter but that 8mm central securing bolt is independent of the crank case. Will just ramp up the force using a wooden block.

Plenty of time - we are for the first time ever in lockdown in Northern NSW. The idiot who caused all this, knowingly bringing it from Sydney, Zoran Radanovich, is in hospital, but he's possibly spread it all over the district. For 15 months we lived in a - free bubble. Now hes managed to wreck peoples jobs and destroy businesses.

EDIT
Up until now, my toast has always landed butter side down but now forty minutes later, I walked outside and here was the sump sitting on the ground under the bike( plastic hose in the bottom).

Lol, I think that filter cover bolt threads into the block. It passes through the filter where it is installed up against the passage in the block no?

Granted it's been ~9 years since I had mine apart. I guess I could go look at the parts info tomorrow if still curious.

Anyway glad you have it handled. Good luck with lockdown, but if you've been in a bubble for 15 months I'm having problems with the sympathy lol.

[ozziguzzi]

Yes, Kev. You're right - 8mm bolt goes through filter and screws into underside of crankcase so you must remove filter. Then only 12x M6 machine screws holding sump on. Seems probable that I can reuse the gasket.

I'm posting these pics because many v7 owners may not have removed the sump and seen how it is constructed
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So this is what it looks like when you have removed the rear 17mm bolt.  As you can see there's about 100cc of oil remaining and unfortunately it is quite viscous because it it has a sludge content in it. Only when I canted the sump up to a 30 degree angle did this stuff start to move toward the rear drain hole. Obviously you are not going to get your bike to this angle when doing an oil change. The drain hole is about 5mm off the sump floor so there is always going to be a residue of oil.

I've seen owners on this forum saying that they have taken out the 19mm front bolt to get rid of ALL the oil but it doesn't work like that. If you look at the middle of the sump there's a circular well which has the strainer on top. By removing the front bolt you are only draining this and since it has sludge in it, it is reluctant to drain. When the engine is running, it seems that the oil travels down the tower you can see at the front, through a tunnel to the well and drops crap off before going up through the screen.






So you have two points where sludgy oil accumulates and it won't move if the bike is level. This makes a case for removing the sump periodically and giving it a clean out. Mine had done 40,000 kms and is 9 years old so was due.