Speculating if/when other GUZZI models will go liquid cooling...

[twowheeladdict]

What do you think?  Will the V7 and V85TT stay air cooled, and other models will come out with the V100 drivetrain?

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

I think the V7 (and V9 if it sticks around) will remain aircooled.. they just bumped up the displacement and seem to have a great 'new' bike there that is meeting Euro5... plus its entire personality is build around 'retro'

As for the V85, no idea. But I think it's possible they go to a 4 valve head and retain the basic bottom end of the engine in place now. 

I do think they will offer some variants on this v100, but I doubt they will be releasing any new engine configurations in their already successful lines. By all accounts the v85 and the 850 V7 are hits...  The roamer is not as popular, but the owners rave about them. 

So with no clue and no inside info...

I think they will have the V100 Mandello 'standard', plus a V100 'touring' model with higher bars, stock bags, maybe a bigger wind screen, heated grips, fairing lowers, and/or engine guards..
and a V100 sport/lemans/racer model with clip-ons/1-up seating/race ergos.

Plus the V7/9/85 line aircooled line mostly as-is. 

Perhaps down the road they will develop a 1200 or 1400 engine based off the V100 and get back in the power cruiser game?

 

[flip]

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-new-model-and-engine-details/

This article states that the new V100 engine was designed to be able to displace larger and smaller displacements. That sounds like a replacement for the air cooled engines as noise and pollution regulations become more strict.

[Perazzimx14]

I think Guzzi will stay with air/oil cooled and continue to build around the small block platform until forced by emission standards to change the engine. Then Piaggio will let them fade into obscurity or sell the brand to a Chinease manufacturer.

[egschade]

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-new-model-and-engine-details/

This article states that the new V100 engine was designed to be able to displace larger and smaller displacements. That sounds like a replacement for the air cooled engines as noise and pollution regulations become more strict.

Also that it has been simmering for 10 years... "Late Piaggio Chief Project Engineer Dr. Federico Martini started working on the new engine prior to 2010, and the early prototype was ready about 10 years ago"

[twowheeladdict]

I think they will have the V100 Mandello 'standard', plus a V100 'touring' model with higher bars, stock bags, maybe a bigger wind screen, heated grips, fairing lowers, and/or engine guards..
and a V100 sport/lemans/racer model with clip-ons/1-up seating/race ergos.

Higher bars?  I was looking at this bike and was wondering if lower bars like my LSL clubman bars would fit on it without hitting parts.  LOL!

I guess it makes sense that as long as a bike can pass emissions there is no good reason to go liquid cooled.  I know even my little KLX300SM throws more heat at me than the V7III because all that heat is coming from the radiator.   

[ScepticalScotty]

Wow Pera don't be Buzz Killington!!! With all this investment in the new bike I think the brand has a healthy future, as a quality alternative to the more bland, more mainstream brands.

[rocker59]

What do you think?  Will the V7 and V85TT stay air cooled, and other models will come out with the V100 drivetrain?

The new V100 engine family will replace the air-cooled mills over time.   

First to get the reduced size LC engine will be the V85TT.  Then the retro V7 line will get it, but after a larger standard/cruiser model is released.

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Higher bars?  I was looking at this bike and was wondering if lower bars like my LSL clubman bars would fit on it without hitting parts.  LOL!

I guess it makes sense that as long as a bike can pass emissions there is no good reason to go liquid cooled.  I know even my little KLX300SM throws more heat at me than the V7III because all that heat is coming from the radiator.

I am surprised how high the Mandello bars are, but I guess they are thinking of it as a standard... even with the frame mount fairing

By higher bars I meant something on risers like the breva/norge

[egschade]

It's my thinking is that the V100 is a platform upon which derivatives like a sport, touring, cruiser and ADV models can be spun up with little additional investment. Swapping some bodywork, controls, wheels and suspension tune is straightforward and already done by most manufacturers.  I would expect that the focus will be on replacements for the CARC bikes with the current V7/V9/V85 continuing as long as sales are sufficient.

However, as much as Piaggio is investing in content and production, they had better wake up and deal with their dealership and support issues if they really want to ensure the future of MG.

[Dimitri_Harkov]

The new V100 engine family will replace the air-cooled mills over time.   

First to get the reduced size LC engine will be the V85TT.  Then the retro V7 line will get it, but after a larger standard/cruiser model is released.

Exactly my thoughts.
The air cooled ones will only pass one, maybe two more Euro emission steps max, then it's water cooled on all models (That's 4 to 8 years).

Cheers,
D.

[twowheeladdict]

When I compare Moto Guzzi to say Kawasaki, I would say Moto Guzzi makes frequent updates to their models.

Kawasaki spits out a bike and then runs it unchanged for 10 to 20 years. 

The V7 is now in its fourth iteration in 10 years. 

[rocker59]

Not being a buzzkill just posting my speculating as asked. The CARC bikes were a big investment and improvement IMHO and how long did they last? Piaggio already has liquid cooled horses in the stable. Not sure they will invest too heavily into converting 100 years worth of air-cooled bikes and buyers into lovers of new fangled liquid cooling.

The CARC bikes were an Aprilia investment which Piaggio inherited.  They were outdated when released new.  Designed to compete against the R1150 BMWs, but BMW soon introduced the R1200s and the Guzzis suddenly looked rather piggy.  Piaggio let the CARC bikes run their course and die a natural death.  Though never selling very well, they actually had a decent life span by today's standards.  1100 Griso hit the streets in 2005 and lasted through 2016 with Griso 1200 8v SE..

Piaggio's influence really began with the remaking of the small block with the V7 Classic of 2009.  They hit on a theme which buyers wanted, and soon the V7 line was selling like no Guzzi had sold in 35-years.