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Offline ozziguzzi

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VIN number identifiers - bit of a mystery here
« on: November 20, 2021, 05:24:29 PM »
I am looking at a VIN number ZGUVNAVNARM011870 and the characters of interest are the third to the seventh inclusive
because these are the vehicle type identifiers.
The Hobart MG workshop tell me that UVNAVis NOT an SP3 designation but a STRADA, a model that was not imported into Australia (UK got them).
This VIN number was assigned to a 1991 SP3 which was used as the donor for a 1000S replica and I have spoken to the the guy who stripped off all the body fittings so there is no doubt about the original model type.
The 10th digit  generally denotes the year but M is 1994 and SP3s were long finished.

So what is going on here?  Tasmania's DMR will not make original registration records available to me, only the firs owner. Bureauratic B/S.

Does anybody have a list of the 1985 to 1995 MGs with 949 engines 3rd to 7th VIN no, model identifiers

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Re: VIN number identifiers - bit of a mystery here
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2021, 05:39:40 PM »
I am looking at a VIN number ZGUVNAVNARM011870 and the characters of interest are the third to the seventh inclusive
because these are the vehicle type identifiers.
The Hobart MG workshop tell me that UVNAVis NOT an SP3 designation but a STRADA, a model that was not imported into Australia (UK got them).
This VIN number was assigned to a 1991 SP3 which was used as the donor for a 1000S replica and I have spoken to the the guy who stripped off all the body fittings so there is no doubt about the original model type.
The 10th digit  generally denotes the year but M is 1994 but SP3s were long finished.

So what is going on here?  Tasmania's DMR will not make original registration records available to me, only the firs owner. Bureauratic B/S.

Does anybody have a list of the 1985 to 1995 MGs with 949 engines 3rd to 7th VIN no, model identifiers

I can't answer your question except to say that trying to nail down precise details from an "Italian" VIN of this era could well be a forlorn hope. Could be factory left overs or anything. A bit like a Guzzi "limited edition" Scura of 600 units and a European dealer having a brand new one with #672 on it new in stock. It's Italian, anything is possible.

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« Last Edit: November 20, 2021, 05:56:28 PM by lucky phil »
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Re: VIN number identifiers - bit of a mystery here
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2021, 06:42:42 PM »
a few things amiss there, Dave, that might be leading you astray.

since1/8/1989 all VINs have been 17 digits

Order

 1 - world mfr id - country (Z - italy)
 2 -                    - G Guzzi
 3 -                    - U

 4
 5
 6
 7
 8

4-8 are model identifiers

 9 - is a check digit

10 - model year (R - 1994 or 2024 - I'd stick with 1994)

11 - plant code (M - Mandello)

12
13
14
15
16
17

12- 17 are the bike's/frame serial no


So, the ZGU part is Italy Moto Guzzi
the VNAVN is Guzzis model designators
the other A is a check digit
the R is the date/year code
The M is the Mandello del Lario plant
the 011870 is the serial no.

I've never known where to find Guzzi's model designators, somebody might.

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Re: VIN number identifiers - bit of a mystery here
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2021, 08:20:19 PM »
a few things amiss there, Dave, that might be leading you astray.

since1/8/1989 all VINs have been 17 digits

Order

 1 - world mfr id - country (Z - italy)
 2 -                    - G Guzzi
 3 -                    - U

 4
 5
 6
 7
 8

4-8 are model identifiers

 9 - is a check digit

10 - model year (R - 1994 or 2024 - I'd stick with 1994)

11 - plant code (M - Mandello)

12
13
14
15
16
17

12- 17 are the bike's/frame serial no


So, the ZGU part is Italy Moto Guzzi
the VNAVN is Guzzis model designators
the other A is a check digit
the R is the date/year code
The M is the Mandello del Lario plant
the 011870 is the serial no.

I've never known where to find Guzzi's model designators, somebody might.

Mal

Did you only count 16 digits originally in the OP's post or was it just me?

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Re: VIN number identifiers - bit of a mystery here
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2021, 09:03:34 PM »
This Wiki article sums the subject nicely:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_identification_number

This article corresponds with other documents I have from SAE, so I give it more veracity than I would normally give a Wiki article.
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Re: VIN number identifiers - bit of a mystery here
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2021, 01:59:21 AM »
Not to answer the vin conundrum but
Guzzi engine and frame number prefixes are model identifiers
« Last Edit: November 21, 2021, 07:20:43 PM by jacksonracingcomau »

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Re: VIN number identifiers - bit of a mystery here
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2021, 04:45:59 AM »
To clarify.
I need to get the correct build date because to go on to Historic Registration bike must be a 1991 (or earlier ). Nothing to do with value etc

I expected someone to confirm that SP3s were not built after 1991 so if donor was an SP3 then.........

Does anyone recognize  VNAVN as a particular model?

Engine number is    N*13125*

I'll post a couple of pics of rebuild


file:///C:/Users/werewasi/Documents/MG%201000S/image002%20(1).gif



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Kawasaki Drifter
Kawasaki GPZ 500
2012 racer TTB
K75
SV650X cafe
W800 cafe
GB 500
Suzuki Titan T500
Honda MB5 (with a whoppa 100cc engine transplant)
Kawasaki Sherpa
CX 650 (2)
DR 650
Kawasaki BR250 (3)
DR 200
Honda Spadas (3)
Vespa Della Moda

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Re: VIN number identifiers - bit of a mystery here
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2021, 10:21:16 AM »
VN 11111 -  VN 11901           1000 SP III (1988 - 1996)
VN 20001 -  VN ...               1000 Strada RR (1994)
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Re: VIN number identifiers - bit of a mystery here
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2021, 07:29:01 PM »
To clarify.
I need to get the correct build date because to go on to Historic Registration bike must be a 1991 (or earlier ). Nothing to do with value etc

I expected someone to confirm that SP3s were not built after 1991 so if donor was an SP3 then.........

Does anyone recognize  VNAVN as a particular model?

Engine number is    N*13125*

I'll post a couple of pics of rebuild


file:///C:/Users/werewasi/Documents/MG%201000S/image002%20(1).gif

In Vic for club plates, anything post 1975 has to have either an ADR plate (dated) or a prior full AUS reg (any state)
Without, they make you get a VASS (exy) to prove compliance, makes imports post 75 a bit of ag

 


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