Ducati flips

[John A]

A guy turtles at road speed. Interesting https://youtu.be/C-QwJoJIep8

[Caffeineo]

I bet this will be used by the "do not use the front brake" crowd. 

[nc43bsa]

Ignoring the fact that most of them ride bikes with brakes incapable of doing it.

[Dr. Enzo Toma]

What in the world is a 2022 Ducati RS? I'm not familiar with that model. Looks like he shouldn't have turned the ABS off.

[Moparnut72]

I don't think ABS had anything to do with it. It appears that the front tire didn't lose traction so the ABS didn't enter the situation. I didn't think a front tire could get that much traction at that speed for the bike to do a forward flip but I guess I am all wet.
kk

[nc43bsa]

Just as some motorcycles have much more power than most riders can fully utilize, some have much more powerful brakes than most riders can appreciate.

Unlike with a car, you can't just apply full braking on a modern sport bike with the expectation that the worst that could happen is a skid.

[John A]

He surprised his front tire. Good brakes!

[Dr. Enzo Toma]

I don't think ABS had anything to do with it. It appears that the front tire didn't lose traction so the ABS didn't enter the situation. I didn't think a front tire could get that much traction at that speed for the bike to do a forward flip but I guess I am all wet.
kk

That would be true for an older bike, but not a modern Ducati sport bike. The ABS doesn't just compare front to rear wheel speeds and modulate to prevent a brake from locking up, it functions more like traction control keeping the bike stable under hard braking and cornering. It wouldn't be that easy for a novice rider to accidentally pull an endo like that if it's functioning correctly.

[faffi]

That Ducati has the IMO correct type of ABS, meaning as long as there is traction, ABS will not intervene. my son's MT-07 is set up the same way.

Many bikes are set up like Enzo Toma describes, where they basically measure if the rear wheel is lifting, and if the system thing the rear end is about to leave the ground, ABS will intervene and reduce braking force. While this setup can save inexperienced or lesser skilled riders from doing an endo as shown in the video, it will also reduce the amount of braking force one can safely use over bumpy roads (where the system read the bumps as rear wheel about to lift) or the rear wheel is lifting, but the rider is still in control.

The way I used to ride, having ABS prolonging my stopping distances would not just be annoying, but downright dangerous. When you judge your braking down to the last yard (I know, not correct behavior for the road, but something I enjoyed) and your ABS kicks in and prolong your braking distance by 3 yards, you overcook the corner. Potentially fatally so.

Also worth noting as that ABS prolong you braking distance more and more the more slippery the surface is. Be that car or bike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW1fVY2m7JI

[moto]

It looks like he was demonstrating the dynamic capabilities of his bike to a pack of cruisers he had caught up with. Mission accomplished!

[faffi]

LOL@moto



Anybody else notice that non of the Harley squad seemed to notice what happened right behind them, let alone stop and see if the person required medical assistance?

[SIR REAL ED]

A guy turtles at road speed. Interesting https://youtu.be/C-QwJoJIep8

"TURTLES" as in a verb, not a noun.  I like it!

the impressive part is he went over the bars with no appreciable loss of speed.

"Prototype testing of power brakes on the new Ducati models continues at an undisclosed test facility!"

[faffi]

LOL@SIR REAL ED

[Huzo]

The way I used to ride, having ABS prolonging my stopping distances would not just be annoying, but downright dangerous. When you judge your braking down to the last yard (I know, not correct behavior for the road, but something I enjoyed) and your ABS kicks in and prolong your braking distance by 3 yards, you overcook the corner. Potentially fatally so.

I said exactly that in a post here many years ago and was absolutely howled down. I still maintain it’s got some merit.

[normzone]

I did something very similar when I first took my new mountain bike out.

I was not prepared for the evolution of bicycle brakes between a 1980's two hundred dollar Costco mountain bike and and my brand new 2000 Trek Fuel 80.

Rolling downhill on pavement by my home, a young kid did something stupid in front of me and I laid into the brakes with the same enthusiasm I would have used on my old bike.

The bike literally stopped where it was and I kept going.

[faffi]

I said exactly that in a post here many years ago and was absolutely howled down. I still maintain it’s got some merit.

Ignorance can be hard at times. I have likely been guilty myself of speaking against others in cases where I was utterly convinced they were wrong, while perhaps I was in the wrong.

Regarding the ABS brakes, my V9 owner's manual even warns that under certain conditions, like bumpy roads, brake distances can be prolonged. Guzzi decided, like many other brands (some do it just for some of their models, not for others), to add one safety feature at the cost of another; you cannot flip the bike over, which is a good thing. But your maximum braking distance will become longer under other conditions, which is a bad thing. There are pros and cons with absolutely everything.

[SIR REAL ED]

I said exactly that in a post here many years ago and was absolutely howled down. I still maintain it’s got some merit.

By now Huzo, you should know, your critics are just envious of you!

or it might not be the content you post but your accent......   

[Dr. Enzo Toma]

It's good for business to try to keep the majority of your customers, who aren't expert riders, alive and riding.
https://www.iihs.org/topics/bibliography/ref/2042

[Huzo]

By now Huzo, you should know, your critics are just envious of you!

or it might not be the content you post but your accent......   

I’ll just post some nice stories and they’ll love me again.

[SIR REAL ED]

I’ll just post some nice stories and they’ll love me again.

You're a natural born charmer.....

Making friends on the internet is easy.  Just agree with whatever anyone posts.   

Next time you need advice, just ask......

[faffi]

I like the way this thread is going 

It's good for business to try to keep the majority of your customers, who aren't expert riders, alive and riding.
https://www.iihs.org/topics/bibliography/ref/2042

Interesting, but also fully expected. About 20 years ago, MOTORRAD did a braking test with highly skilled and little experienced riders. Everybody stopped quicker on the first stop, but the pros could improve on the ABS braking numbers on some bikes with practice. The big difference in confidence came for the inexperienced group, because even if they failed to activate the ABS, they still dared to stop much harder when they knew they had ABS.

Maximum braking is something I have practiced ever since I rode bicycles. Especially on snow and ice. I am actually less reluctant to brake extremely hard with ABS than without, which of course is just something wired wrong in my head. Now that I am getting old and my hands badly riddled with arthritis, I do not practice these things as much as I probably should, but I have typically voluntarily locked up the front wheel in the wet and sometimes in the dry just to keep my reflexes sharp. I also used to brake at the latest moment going into corners when I was younger, but once you stop doing something regularly, you start losing skills. That's why I have grown happy to have ABS on my motorcycles now, as they can mask my own degrading skills.

[SIR REAL ED]

Dear HUZO,

If you want to get back in our good graces, please post a video of you "turtling" your Honda Trail 90.

thanks in advance,

Everyone on the Internet......   

[SIR REAL ED]

I like the way this thread is going 



Interesting, but also fully expected. About 20 years ago, MOTORRAD did a braking test with highly skilled and little experienced riders. Everybody stopped quicker on the first stop, but the pros could improve on the ABS braking numbers on some bikes with practice. The big difference in confidence came for the inexperienced group, because even if they failed to activate the ABS, they still dared to stop much harder when they knew they had ABS.

Maximum braking is something I have practiced ever since I rode bicycles. Especially on snow and ice. I am actually less reluctant to brake extremely hard with ABS than without, which of course is just something wired wrong in my head. Now that I am getting old and my hands badly riddled with arthritis, I do not practice these things as much as I probably should, but I have typically voluntarily locked up the front wheel in the wet and sometimes in the dry just to keep my reflexes sharp. I also used to brake at the latest moment going into corners when I was younger, but once you stop doing something regularly, you start losing skills. That's why I have grown happy to have ABS on my motorcycles now, as they can mask my own degrading skills.

Huzo has an excellent sense of humor.  No point in worrying about offending him.  His ancestors and my ancestor came over on the same boat!

As the old saying goes:  "You are the slave of all those from whom you seek approval.  If you desire the joy of their approval, you must also suffer the pain of  their criticism!"

Excellent explanation of why ABS came into existence.

First thing I do when I buy a bicycle with hand brakes is switch the front brake from the left side lever (seems to be the standard in the US) to the right side lever.

Hopefully, it will be long after I pass before everything is made safe.  No risk tends to make people complacent and inattentive.

[Huzo]

Yes.
I want to be free to make mistakes that are life threatening, but be able to circumvent those mistakes through experience and some skill level.
It’s what lends the whole thing it’s charm.
I’m happy to let modern technology improve upon archaic mechanisms, ( points, drum brakes, feeble lighting, poor tyres etc…), but I do not want a computer taking away my command judgement decisions.
I want to remain the ultimate arbiter of what is or is not good for me.
I don’t like the way the world is going in this regard.

[Huzo]

Huzo has an excellent sense of humor. His ancestors and my ancestors came over on the same boat!

My Grandma was a bit of a party girl back in her day, by all accounts…With nothing to do and no TV at night..?
We might actually be related SRE….

[SIR REAL ED]

My Grandma was a bit of a party girl back in her day, by all accounts…With nothing to do and no TV at night..?
We might actually be related SRE….

Amen!

Perhaps, I'm still trying to decide on what personal pronoun maximizes my ROI.

Hats off to your Gramma!!

Being raised by people who fled oppression in foreign lands, who lived thru WWI, The Great Depression, and WWII was truly a gift.

If one chose to be a whiney butt, cry baby as a yute, one could expect a lecture on what a tough life actually was, or the more succinct response "Quit yer whining, or I will give you something to whine about!"

Life was so much simpler when no one gave a sh*t about your feelings! 

Still waiting for my Roo Jerky......

[Frulk]

That should buff right out in an afternoon with an assortment of sandpaper of various grits and a 12 pack.