V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest

[blu guzz]

I tried another V100 yesterday.  This one is a 23 Navale with 500 miles on the bike but a new engine replaced under warranty.  This is for sale btw at Cadre for the same price as a new V7, under $9,000.  If you have wanted one, this may be the one to get as it is literally brand new.
I will not be getting it however.  I noticed the shifting since it has been discussed a lot recently.  You want your front brake lever applied for when it goes into 1st.  It never bulked, but there was a bit of a lurch as it slipped in.  I had no trouble locating neutral either.  It was a little different than the air cooled Guzzis I have had recently but would be no big deal for me.  As for the rest, this would have been perfect for me about 15 years ago.  A new level of performance for Guzzi but not as demanding as the sporty Ducatis of the time.  Now, it just asks too much of me from the standpoint of the riding position.  So, I have faced the fact that I must be a confirmed air cooled guy.  I am really looking forward to the V7 Sport coming to town, with the improvements and cruise control, it may finally be time to move on from the 1400.  BTW, 80 mph is only 4,000 rpm on that beast.  No aerodynamics for that bike, just blunt force shoving the air aside.  V100 = formula one; 1400 = NASCAR   

[Moparnut72]

I put Rox risers on mine, the adjustable ones. A 1" lift and also allowed the bars to rotate backwards. Made for a more upright riding position. I just recently discovered that at a stop the shifter will stop in neutral from 1st. Very handy, don't have to even look at the neutral light or the gear indicator.
kk

[bronzestar1]

"...It sounds like you just really don't want to ride the bike...The '26 Aprilia Tuono 660 Factory looks like a fold up and hunch over the tank bike. Do you plan on riding it?...

As I mentioned earlier, that shift from neutral into first on the V100 annoys me so much that given a choice between the three bikes that I have, it's third on the list.  The Tuono has a handlebar like the V100 and V7 Stone, so a more upright riding position.  The RS is the one with the hunched over riding position, and it costs $2K more than the Tuono, so I think I'll be good.  I actually enjoy riding the Triumph Scrambler 400X more than the Guzzis, thus why I'm trading in my V7 Stone on the Tuono.  I'm too upside down on the V100, but I own the V7, so that's the one leaving the flock.  The Tuono will share storage space with the V100, so it'll get ridden (whenever I have a chance to ride).  With work taking up my time M-F, and going down to NC every other weekend, leaves me about 4 weekend days a month to indulge my hobbies here in VA (the two Guzzis, Jag, Lancia, and firearms).  The vehicles only get taken out when it's dry outside, and the bikes have the added variables of not being too cold or too hot (like it was today).  So given those parameters, I can see now why the V100 only has 473 miles after 12 months.  Full retirement should create a LOT more riding time for me!       

[Clifton]

OK you can't be "too upside down" to sell a bike that you don't like. It'll only be worth less the longer you wait, get rid of it now and cut your loss.

[blackcat]

Saw this on FB about another 2024 Aviatione owner complaining about the first gear clunk and someone's response, might be worth pursuing:
 
"The clunk into first is pretty annoying. Have you tried starting in gear? Start as normal in neutral, let it warm up, turn it off, then restart in gear. You will have to hold the clutch in. Not the best solution but it works.

Also, ask the dealer to look for a warranty campaign number for the shift position sensor.
Mine (0330) was replaced under warranty. Shifts much more smoothly."

[Moparnut72]

When my '23 Navale was new it could not be shifted from 1st or 2nd into neutral when stopped even with quite a bit of force on the shift lever. It could be when the bike was moving. When I complained to the dealership all I was told was that all Italian bikes do that when they are new. So much for taking anything to this dealer, not the only issue I have had with them. Never to darken their doorway again. Anyway I just learned that while stopped the shift from 1st to neutral is easy, the gearbox will not pass neutral into 2nd. Pretty nice feature. I think now that maybe the mechanism that controls this was not working properly. The problem disappeared after approx 1,000 miles. I will have to look at the parts breakdown to see how this all works.
kk

[PeteS]

My 2025 Wind Tunnel arrived a few days ago. Have only put a few hundred miles on it so far but one problem that persists is not being to find neutral reliably. This both from a standstill and rolling to a stop and also trying to go from 1st to neutral and 2nd to neutral. It either jumps right past neutral from 1st to 2nd or 2nd to 1st. Easing up slowly I see the N as I am lifting from 1st and it seems to actually be in neutral but letting my foot off it goes back to reading 1st even though now its neutral.

My question is there an adjustment I can make or is this a dealer item that requires going into the gearbox.

I see a wire and black module on the vertical linkage but have no idea what it does.

TIA

Pete
(Not new to Guzzis)

[nmroadrunner]

Give it time to loosen up...it will. 

[Vagrant]

I imagine that's the quick shifter.

[Huzo]

I imagine that's the quick shifter.

Great…!
Now all it needs is a quick neutral finder, why the hell would you want a quick shifter in the first place, it’s a damn Guzzi.
What a crock…

[PeteS]

I don’t believe its a quick shifter. Its just mounted in the heim joint shaft but who knows. I just played with it some more, key on, motor off. Neutral light comes on when I raise the shifter and goes off when I release. With the side stand down I can start the bike with shifter raised up and neutral indicated lit but it stalls as soon as let the shifter down thinking its in gear.

Pete

[Kiwi_Roy]

Whats the purpose of the fins that motor out from the tank?
its a bit weird IMHO

[PeteS]

Whats the purpose of the fins that motor out from the tank?
its a bit weird IMHO

They are supposed to deflect the rain. I am not a fan of all the nannies and electronic stuff. Its got a great motor, brakes and handles well. Better than any Guzzi I have ever ridden. The V85 also does everything well, just doesn’t have the grunt the V100 has.

Pete

[bronzestar1]

I don’t believe its a quick shifter...

If your shift linkage looks like this, I believe it has a quick shifter (QS).  The linkage on my non-QS equipped '24 V100 Mandello is just a plain rod.  My '26 Aprilia Tuono 660 Factory has a QS, but I don't ever plan on using it.  I'm old-school, firmly believe in using the clutch to shift gears, having a QS on a street bike is silly IMO.



 

[Huzo]

Ok I’ll come from this angle…
I know it’s your money so you get to make your choice, but as Lenny Kravitz said….
“What I really want to know is..” ?
Why would someone choose to opt for a quick shifter, I know they are entitled to, but the question is…Why ?
What is the perceived benefit of such a gadget, real or otherwise ? Also, is the clutch disengaged in any way during the shift/s ?

[PeteS]

If your shift linkage looks like this, I believe it has a quick shifter (QS).  The linkage on my non-QS equipped '24 V100 Mandello is just a plain rod.  My '26 Aprilia Tuono 660 Factory has a QS, but I don't ever plan on using it.  I'm old-school, firmly believe in using the clutch to shift gears, having a QS on a street bike is silly IMO.



 

OK, thats what I have. No mention of it in the owners manual but then I haven’t found that very helpful. Thanks for the tip.
I guess the next question is, has anyone replaced this? Wouldn’t be hard to make a new linkage. I did that on my EV.

Edit: Remind me what a quick shifter does. As I recall it just cuts the ignition for a second? I doesn’t do anything inside the gearbox like move the selector drum??

Pete

[Moparnut72]

I don't know if you have the quick shifter or not but my V100 with the standard shifter was just horrible with very similar issues. It took some riding to sort itself out. My unofficial opinion is that it is caused by the mechanism that allow the transmission to shift from 1st directly to neutral when stopped without by passing neutral to 2nd. My trans was very rough shifting when new but got quite good with a few thousand miles. Hang in there.
kk

[draco_1967]

Ok I’ll come from this angle…
I know it’s your money so you get to make your choice, but as Lenny Kravitz said….
“What I really want to know is..” ?
Why would someone choose to opt for a quick shifter, I know they are entitled to, but the question is…Why ?
What is the perceived benefit of such a gadget, real or otherwise ? Also, is the clutch disengaged in any way during the shift/s ?

QS is awesome for aggressive riding on twisty roads and a track. When a QS is done well, it makes quickly shifting through the gears smooth and easy. The QS mechanism cuts or adds throttle to allow the gearbox to change gears without the clutch.

It's definitely not a necessity on a road bike, but very fun. Much like how modern performance auto transmissions are far quicker and smoother shifting than any human on a manual gearbox (regardless of what our ego may say...).

Having a QS on the bike does not mean you have to use it. Pulling in the clutch disables the QS mechanism.

[bronzestar1]

"...Much like how modern performance auto transmissions are far quicker and smoother shifting than any human on a manual gearbox (regardless of what our ego may say...)."

Given a choice, I'd still prefer three pedals and having to manually row thru the gears than paddle shifters, it's just not the same.  Same can be said for a QS on a street bike.  I can see the slight advantage a QS could have on a track, but still think they're just a gimmick for street riding. 

[PeteS]

QS is just another gimmick I don’t need. Like the tire pressure light that keeps on blinking even though the tire is at recommended pressure.
It appears its not affecting the neutral light issue, rather thats due to tight tolerances and a dragging clutch.
I played with the shifter some more. On the centerstand it shifts smoothly from 1st to neutral as well as all the other bikes I have. You only have to move the shifter about 3/4” so its pretty sensitive. I will have to practice that on the road. If the neutral light just shows for a second then its in neutral even if the indicator goes back to 1. Just have get used to fact the indicator doesn’t work.

Pete

[Moparnut72]

If shifting from 1st to neutral it will automatically stop in neutral. I didn't know that for several thousands of miles. I thought I was getting really good at finding neutral. 
kk