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V10 Centauro - Pluses and Minuses
« on: June 26, 2015, 05:06:00 PM »
Unfortunately I can't seem to make the Search function work, so apologies as I am sure this has been covered elsewhere.

Anyone have any guidance on pluses or minuses on the 1997 V10 Centauro model - specific areas of known weakness or failures to look for in a used motorcycle of this vintage.

Looks like a beautiful bike, well maintained, but I have not driven this model before, so looking for guidance from anyone here who has ridden one or owns/owned one.
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Re: V10 Centauro - Pluses and Minuses
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2015, 05:46:30 PM »
Ok, I'll play. Styling is subjective, you either love it or hate it. I assume you love it. Top notch WP suspension, although NLA. Needless to say, very good handling. Brakes are fine. Many NLA parts in the head. Break a timing belt and you're screwed, it's an interference engine. Biggest issue is the oil pump/timing gears. There is no bearing or even bushing on the oil pump, it just runs in the casting. Once it starts wearing, it can take out the timing gears. That can be addressed, although not cheaply. Carillo Rods.  :thumb: That's all I can think of at the moment.
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Re: V10 Centauro - Pluses and Minuses
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2015, 08:37:21 PM »
chuck you forgot the part that riding a well tuned Centauro will put one hell of a smile on your face. there also was a grounding issue that was fixed by running a ground wire. Something to do with it grounding through the steering head bearings. A very rough edged griso. I know my belts are due to get replaced i just haven't done it yet. regarding the oil pump gear some go some don't but i think it runs about 1200 to replace. too much for me to spend. fuelling with stock setup sucks unless the chip has been updated or  pc3 has been installed.

oh and check out the centauro owners group forum.
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Re: V10 Centauro - Pluses and Minuses
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2015, 08:45:09 PM »
Note that the lovely timing gears with the special please-fracture-here design of the lower pump gear can all be replaced with the standard bullet-proof  timing chain setup and pump from a California (as done with my Daytona and others).

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Re: V10 Centauro - Pluses and Minuses
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2015, 08:56:20 PM »
Note that the lovely timing gears with the special please-fracture-here design of the lower pump gear can all be replaced with the standard bullet-proof  timing chain setup and pump from a California (as done with my Daytona and others).

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Re: V10 Centauro - Pluses and Minuses
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2015, 10:34:08 PM »
Thank you all...very helpful!  I would never have guessed any of that.

Chuck...what do WP and NLA mean...I'm sure I'm familiar with the term, but the acronyms make no sense to me at this time of night after a double mojito! 

Thanks all!
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Re: V10 Centauro - Pluses and Minuses
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2015, 11:00:14 PM »
NLA= no longer available.

This engine goes like a bat out of hell. It's called "the beast" for a reason. It's a little raw and visceral and touchy in the throttle. See if it's been re-chipped (C-5) and should have power commander. It's a 5 speed and the box is a little clunky but I liked the 5 gear set-up. It does scoot.
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Re: V10 Centauro - Pluses and Minuses
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2015, 11:00:26 PM »
WP would be the manufacturer of the suspension, and NLA usually means no longer available.  White Power I believe is the WP.

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Re: V10 Centauro - Pluses and Minuses
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2015, 04:33:30 AM »
WP would be the manufacturer of the suspension, and NLA usually means no longer available.  White Power I believe is the WP.

Because of the connotations White Power changed their name to 'Works Performance' as I understand it. Another case of an innocent name causing problems due to politicisation.

As others have said 'Old' Hi-Cams have their issues but apart from important stuff like castings and camshafts most things needed to keep them going *are* still available. Maybe not 'Over the Counter' as it were, but if you are determined and go looking they are a out there.

I love the first generation Hi-Cam bikes, especially the Centy. But would I own one now? Only if I had someone else to do the hard yards for me.......

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Re: V10 Centauro - Pluses and Minuses
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2015, 08:33:17 AM »
yeah i need the belts done and planned on having joe W do them, but he moved his shop to the other end of chicago and i just havn't had a chance to bring it up there. the oil gear thing if i recall used to run about 600 in parts and another 600 in labor, but that was a while ago. someday mine may explode, but i know chucks had plenty of miles and still looked good when he checked it. at least i think that's what he said.
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Re: V10 Centauro - Pluses and Minuses
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2015, 12:48:32 PM »
I think I can add a few things here as I bought what was seemingly a 'decent' example of a 1996 here in DK 14 months back and today I can say it is the goods. To own this bike, IMHO, you need to be mechanically able and prepared to troubleshoot.

I  trawled the net looking for all the information I could find on the beast over 7 long years before mine popped up at what could only be called a steal at the time. The guy I bought it from had no mechanical inclination and was way in over his head. When I first went to see the bike I popped off the bung on the ECU to see what was running this beast only to find a KK (original) chip :shocked: The guy hands me the original oil pump and invoices for the upgraded pump installation, recent belt change and the full history since new, PERFECT  :thumb: Ok, let's go for a ride anyway. It was RAW!!! The bike was stone cold and started perfectly and then ran with a few stumbles as it was fast idling and it I couldn't slow it down below 2000 RPM. I rolled out the drive and tried to ride sedately down the road but it was just not satisfied until it was past the 3-4000 RPM mark and beyond that switch in the throttle it was like I was riding an electric motored vehicle  :drool:. So, it is true, the original injection setup is rubbish for real street riding. On the open road and motorway, it was perfect and flawless but in the real world of moving around you need to use the tractability and it is impossible with the original ignition curves. Then about 10-15 kms out the rear brake was hard on. What? I came to a stop sign with a weird stop and then a tiny chirp as the rear wheel locked  :huh: I pull off the road pump the foot brake and I am rolling like there was nothing wrong. I immediately ride back to the owner and offer him below his price and left for home wondering what I was trying to get myself into  :undecided: I got the call the next morning, offer accepted. I picked it up 4 weeks later as I was leaving that day for a holiday.

So, what problems have I encountered and fixed over this last 12 months :-

Rear brake caliper, leaking and won't release. I checked there was enough freeplay to allow the master cylinder piston to release all the way, there wasn't :huh: and you cannot buy a kit to refurbish that caliper. A new item is around $50 which includes pads, you can't bitch about that.
The speedo was hoping a bit. I took the inner out and fount it had been kinked at some point. I bought a new inner cable and fitted it, problem solved.
The screws holding the speedo casing on were stripped in the heads. I slotted them and replaced them with equivalent stainless items.
The exhaust was sitting completely skew and as a result there is a small blemish on the right hand of the rear swing arm. I found the left and right mid pipes were swapped over. I fitted them correctly and then aligned the system and tightened it up.
Flushed/replaced brake fluids and found the front wheel fitted incorrectly. The spacers were on in the incorrect order offsetting the wheel 3 mm which was causing the pads to wear unevenly :huh:
New tyres, Angel Sport ST  :thumb:
Fuel tank has some blind inserts for screws of the side tank panels, the right one at some point had a screw that was 2-3mm too long. This somehow became a weeping issue. I sealed it with some lactate sealant and it hasn't leaked in over 12 months. All fuel here has an ethanol content but this was not the cause of problem and the bike runs on E10 blend daily, again without any issues.
Adjusted the forks to factory settings and the rear has a little more comp and rebound dialed in. I've not moved it since. It seems to work really well for me as is  :cheesy:
The forward uni joint in the drive axle had the grease nipple sheared off. Fitted a new one and greased the shaft.
Intermittent cutting out where the fuel pump won't prime on re-power. This took time to sort because although the relays had been replaced I finally cracked one open and found the tang for the normally open contact bent at about 30 degrees so the contact when it was being powered was there BUT it couldn't manage any current. I found this on 3 relays :angry: There is lots of evidence of power issues to the the fuel pump and ECU. Be sure they are good relays and are seated correctly when plugged in. You should hear an audible click as the sockets lock onto the spades on the relay.
The seat was sitting down on the tank and fairng, the plastic of the pan had stretched and the feet were slipping over the frame rails. I fitted some wider supports there.
I fitted the Will Creedon C5 chip, ride-ability was good, fact is the difference was night and day BUT there was still some stumbling and fuel economy was pretty ordinary. I had read that if I fitted a Cliff Jefferies MyECU it was perfect. So I did it and I can say, it is perfect and I expect it to be better when I enable closed loop in the not too distant future :bow: and consistently runs in the 40 MPG range. If you are heavy on the gas it won't las long though.
Second ride with the MyECU and the cam sensor died. Actually, it became intermittent. I was up to speed on this and caught it fast. I came to some lights and the bike just stalled  :undecided: So I dragged off to the side and tried to start, NOTHING. Triple checked relays and they were good. I had a plug tube in the kit and pulled a plug, no spark. I tried several times and then I had spark, Great says me, I won't be pushing it home. Got on moved 15 meters and then dead :sad: Called the wife to come and get my gear and I'll walk it home. She turns up, I say let's try once more with the jumper cables (the battery was somewhat tired by this point) and it fired and ran. I was on it like a shot and moving before you could blink an eye and managed to ride the 3-4 kms home all be it with a bucking and heaving monster. I sourced an original sensor from Latvia for $15 (bought 2) and installed it to correct depth and it hasn't missed a beat since  :bike-037:
Left tank side panel kept popping loose, replaced the rubber grommets all round and now both panels sit correctly.
I've replaced all bulbs except the fuel idiot light and headlight with LEDs. I made a rectifier for the instrument indicator to work on both turn signals.
I fitted Oxford sport heated grips.
Gearbox is dropping a few drops from the clutch rod housing at the rear of the gearbox. I need to source a larger body O ring this week and hopefully that'll have that sorted.
I have a leak in the timing chest gasket, unbelievably right in the 12 o'clock position, this will be changed in the coming weeks when I can get to it. It weeps and then runs down the left side of the engine when on the stand.

The only time I've been kept off the road with it is when the cam sensor failed and it was at Easter time so the parts took an extra 2 weeks to get here.

Moto Guzzi's don't tend to be good garage queens and if what you are looking at has been, you can expect lots of work replacing seals and gaskets etc.. As Pete/Vasco has mentioned in many other threads over many years, you are looking at a used vehicle, nothing is certain. The best thing you can do is get on your bike and ride it, it will love you for it  :thumb:

Good luck!
 
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Re: V10 Centauro - Pluses and Minuses
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2015, 05:07:42 PM »
Hell of an educational write up there Adam.  This sounds like a beast...over my mechanical abilities...it's a spectacular machine, but I don't have the time to be tinkering on it like this for sure especially with all of the gear issues mentioned above.  I may have to leave this project for when I have more free time as it sounds like even if this particular one I am looking at is running well, I need to be prepared for a future of tinkering!

Very informational...tha nk you all for your advice and guidance!

Paul
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