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V7 4500mile review
« on: December 19, 2015, 10:00:26 AM »
I've had my 2014 V7 Stone since Sep 2014, have put about 4500 miles on it, and thought I might write a review about it. 

Here's a bit about me and why I chose the v7:
First off, I'm basically a new rider. I occasionally putted around for many years on a 90cc honda cub clone, but the v7 is my first real bike.  My wife and I took the MSF course and thought we could get a bike for occasional fair-weather commuting and weekend solo day trips. We originally thought the V7 would primarIly work for her urban commute and I would use it for weekend rides to the Shenandoah.  My wife's commute is a 12mile urban choker in and out of DC.   My commute is 40 miles each way, all highway, with a long stent on the DC beltway.  About twice a month I have a 1hr:45min each way trip into rural southern MD. We are both of medium (american) build and around 5ft 9in, although her inseam is longer. We both wanted a classically styled and lightweight standard.  Remember we were coming from a honda cub!  I looked at the V7, triumph bonneville t100, royal enfield, and the honda cb1100.  We preferred the v7 due to the lighter weight, liked the idea of something unique, and thought it looked the best.  Hp numbers didn't factor in. 

The Moto Guzzi experience:
 
The dealer network sucks, even in a large metro area.  It was hard to find a dealer and a bike.  I also realized after the initial service the dealer was rather inept.  This is the price to pay for something unique.  However, a much better and closer dealer has opened up since my purchase.  The bike is well built, but reminds you that it was done by hand.  It needed a bit of sorting at the beginning.  A few things needed to be tightened up and lock-tighted and I had a fueling/o2 sensor issue.  There is a thread on it, but basically I burned up a cat due to a faulty-loose-corroded 02 sensor and the extra lean map.  This was all replaced under warranty and I got an awesome new map with no warm up time.  It did take a few weeks however.  Not fun when you just got a new bike.  Once initially sorted and properly broken in, this has been a reliable bike. This is no toyota, but we wouldn't get motorcycles if we wanted a toyota!  I think the general theme with moto guzzi is that it gets better the more you ride it.  Everything has broken in nicely now.  Much smoother shifts, easy neutrals, and a notable increase in power.  With a few tweaks it has become a balanced well rounded machine.  Not great at anything in particular, but good enough at everything.

The bike has been in service as my weekend day tripper, local roadster, and occasional commuter.  The stiff clutch pull was unfortunately a deal breaker for my wife and her commute.  The v7 has a stiff clutch that is minimally adjustable.  The best I could do was put some adjustable levers on it.  This clutch makes the bike wholly unsuitable for the kind of city stop and go traffic we have here.  It was really a disappointment and contrary to what others say about this being a great urban bike.  A bike as nimble and svelte as this should have a butter soft clutch.  No worries as she is now happily riding her 2015 Vespa GTS 300.

The other major problem is the rear shocks.  I think they are better than the stock setup on a bonnie, but are likely no good unless you are an Italian model that only rides on freshly paved roads.  Again many threads on this, and an easy fix.  I put some basic Ikons on and now its great.  People have suggested modifying the front forks, but I haven't found the need.  As a new rider, I don't push the corners too hard.

A few minor niggles:  The rear brake has no feel and comes on strong.  I have locked the rear several times.  I imagine the newer models with ABS would help this.  The front brake is fine and stopping force is great for a bike like this.  Despite the light weight, the bike is a bit top heavy and can feel cumbersome in very low speed maneuvers and in particular parking.  Perhaps the top heaviness adds to its flickability.  This is no cruiser, so the seat height is significant.  I have a 30in inseam and can only flat foot with proper riding boots.  The ikons helped almost a 1/4 inch with rider sag.  Again, I think the newer model has a slightly lower seat height. 

If you read other reviews they always poo-poo the power and such.  Like Rolls Royce, they should just write "adequate" on the spec sheet and not release the numbers.  They really don't matter for this sort of bike.  It is more than enough for me as a new rider and a good fit for the bike's other components and real world use.  It has plenty of torque and in the city you can short shift like a diesel truck.  Short shifting makes up for the vice grip clutch pull; except in stop and go traffic jams.  There is enough roll on from 55-80mph to comfortably pass whatever is in your way.  It can easily do the ton, but won't keep up with your friends sports-bike.  Even triumph took a lesson from guzzi on hp/torque for their 2016 street twin. 

You can specialize this bike somewhat for your particular needs.  For example here is my cooler weather touring/long commuting setup:  heated grips, a heated vest, LED headlamp (to decrease amp draw), a dart marlin flyscreen, throw-over soft bags, a quiet full face helmet, and barkbusters.  I've just added a corbin gunfighter solo seat, I'm hoping that will ease the soreness I feel on the edges of my current racer seat after an hour.  I could imagine creating a moderately capable scrambler type bike with knobbies and such, or a decently handling rearset (albiet underpowered) sport bike for the twisties.   

My favorite thing about this bike is its character.  I love how you can see the air cooled cylinder heads and feel the vibrations and torque twist.  Add some aviator goggles with a scarf, and its the closest thing to being a vintage fighter pilot without leaving the ground.   Then there is the burbling note of the exhaust.  No parallel twin, flat twin, inline four, or single thumper, sounds like a Guzzi!  Ok, I admit have Agostini pipes. 

Overall this is great beginner bike with a few niggles.  Tremendous character and a decent all rounder. 
« Last Edit: December 19, 2015, 10:36:01 AM by rastoga »

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Re: V7 4500mile review
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2015, 01:46:51 PM »
Very nice honest review. Well done. :thumb:

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Re: V7 4500mile review
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2015, 03:46:23 PM »
Glad you're enjoying it and that was a pretty fair review.

However I'll take issue with a few niggles, which I assume are because of your relatively small statures.

Clutch pull - I would call it the light side of average. Many hydraulic clutches being lighter but most cables being heavier. You think that's heavy, try a brand new Sporty, which has been lightened a few times these past few decades.

Top heavy - you only think a V7 is top heavy because you haven't tried to ride bikes that actually are, since they're too tall. Try a Paris-Dakar GS, heck even most CARC Guzzis are more top heavy. My Oilhead BMW was more top heavy than any Harley I owned.


Rear brake - typical for any bike with standard to sporty ergos, the rear brake is more for show than slow. Aside from trail braking or using lightly in low traction conditions, the rear brake only slightly contributes to overall braking on anything that isn't a long/low/heavy/rear biased bike.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2015, 06:15:30 PM by Kev m »
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Re: V7 4500mile review
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2015, 06:06:02 PM »
The clutch pull shouldn't be hard. While not as light as a hydraulic clutches, it's not too far off. Try another clutch cable (you should have a spare one in your kit anyway - because sooner or late ...). The later cables have a rubber block in-line to keep the cable out of the cylinder fins. Take care with the cable routing - no sharp bends. Test the pull on other V7's to check if yours is significantly different.

It's very pleasing that you, too, are happy with the bike. They are a whole heap of fun.

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Re: V7 4500mile review
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2015, 06:42:47 PM »
Great review.  Hope your new dealer is better than your previous dealer.  That's not only Guzzi, but all brands will have dealerships of varying quality. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2015, 06:54:50 PM »

Clutch pull - I would call it the light side of average. Many hydraulic clutches being lighter but most cables being heavier. You think that's heavy, try a brand new Sporty, which has been lightened a few times these past few decades.

Top heavy - you only think a V7 is top heavy because you haven't tried to ride bikes that actually are, since they're too tall. Try a Paris-Dakar GS, heck even most CARC Guzzis are more top heavy. My Oilhead BMW was more top heavy than any Harley I owned.


Rear brake - typical for any bike with standard to sporty ergos, the rear brake is more for show than slow. Aside from trail braking or using lightly in low traction conditions, the rear brake only slightly contributes to overall braking on anything that isn't a long/low/heavy/rear biased bike.

 :1: and my thoughts exactly on these first two; however, I will agree with him on the rear brake.  I thought my issue with mine was the tires, then the tire pressure.  I thought I had it remedied with an adjustment of the tire pressure but then upon further testing there it was again.  I just put on new Michelins and they didn't prove any better.  It's nothing severe but I do find that under heavy breaking the rear will slide a good bit more than just about any other modern bike I've owned.  And I welcome abs but I probably won't trade the little Green Bean in since I generally use both brakes under heavy breaking anyhow.  And the bike is so light, I do find the single disc up front performs quite well. 

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Re: V7 4500mile review
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2015, 07:56:37 PM »
I guess I'm saying look at the short wheelbase, look at the weight bias. How much braking do you think it can do?

It was easy to lock the rear brake on my Breva 1100 too.

I think ABS, in regards to rear brakes, just gives people warm and fuzzy feelings that when they jab em, they don't lock and slide, but how much braking is being done? I bet little.

I treat bikes like the V7 or B11 and others like them as if they don't have a rear brake for must braking situations. I use the rear for trail, low friction surface, and other non-usual braking concerns. But for panic braking, know it's a low friction tool.
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Re: V7 4500mile review
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2015, 09:11:03 PM »

I treat bikes like the V7 or B11 and others like them as if they don't have a rear brake for must braking situations. I use the rear for trail, low friction surface, and other non-usual braking concerns. But for panic braking, know it's a low friction tool.

I'm actually glad I'm in the good habit of using both brakes concurrently and modulating each differently to bring about as quick and steady a stop as possible.  It's something I HAD to pick up in my dirt bike riding days back in the mountains.  Try descending a steep dirt grade using only your front or rear brake.  Hello mud sandwich.  Been too many years since I've broached the dirt.  You learn a lot there, I think.  I've been considering taking that dirt riding class for street in...Georgia I think.

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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2015, 09:17:51 PM »
I'm actually glad I'm in the good habit of using both brakes concurrently and modulating each differently to bring about as quick and steady a stop as possible.  It's something I HAD to pick up in my dirt bike riding days back in the mountains.  Try descending a steep dirt grade using only your front or rear brake.  Hello mud sandwich.  Been too many years since I've broached the dirt.  You learn a lot there, I think.  I've been considering taking that dirt riding class for street in...Georgia I think.

I'm not saying I don't or I can't, but look at MCN's (M Consumers News) performance index on stopping distances.

There's no doubt that the V7 front brake is superior to many others. And the V7 is lighter than the Sportster by 100-150#.

Then why is the stopping distance LONGER on the V7?

(at least in the 883L I was just comparing the other day, but I'm betting it's a pattern).

Reason? Simple physics. There's just not enough weight over the rear wheel, especially under threshold braking, for the rear wheel to significantly contribute on bikes with architecture similar to the V7.

Learn to use what you've got any way you want, that's cool.

But that doesn't change the simple rules of physics.
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Re: V7 4500mile review
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2015, 11:18:17 PM »
"The rear brake has no feel and comes on strong.  I have locked the rear several times."


Maybe you could adjust or modify the linkage to lower the brake pedal.  Does anyone have the factory-approved ankle geometry?

Nearly every control on motorcycles is adjustable (or replaceable) so you can custom fit the bike to yourself. 
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Re: V7 4500mile review
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2015, 05:33:09 AM »
Yesterday, I was at our local Guzzi dealerr having tires put on the Stelvio. While hanging around and chatting with one of the salesman there, I mentioned that I'd like to ride the new V7 sometime as my only experience with the small blocks, was the V50III I owned for a few years (and really liked). I was curious as to how the new single throttle body performed.

He mentioned that a couple of people had taken one for a test ride and that it was all warmed up and ready to go, so go have fun. This is my impression.

My impressions (spoiler alert;I really liked it):

The common complaint that the bike needs more power from my perspective is complete bullshit. The single throttle body motor is so torquey that it is and absolute blast to ride, and not once did I think while riding it that it needed more horsepower.

The sound of the stock pipes were fantastic.

The handling is light and nimble and an absolute blast in the twisty stuff. I think you'd be hard pressed to find any similar bike that handles any better or has a more enjoyable riding experience.

Brakes (anti-lock) were excellent. Gear box was crisp. Bike comes from the factory with Pirelli Sport Demons (which I love) and is sure footed.

I had it up to nearly 90 mph at one point, and while it didn't get there quite as quickly as the Griso or Stelvio, it was still pretty brisk.

It seems if I remember correctly that 2000 rpm was it's sweet spot. It pulled cleanly from pretty much anywhere to red line.

It's definitely not the brutal acceleration of the Griso 8v, but it's totally enjoyable none-the-less.

If you haven't ridden the single throttle body version, I'd recommend a test spin. I fully appreciated it for what it is and what it is not.

I totally get why Guzzi has stuck with it now. The updates make it feel like a fun modern bike.

I will say, it is a small bike though and someone very tall may find it a little cramped.

I had my Sidi Adventure boots on too because it was cold and I had a bitch of a time getting my toe under the shifter. it would definitely need to be adjusted for bigger boots.

The V7 oozes with essence of what a great standard was.

If I see a Nuovo Stornello come through, I may have to buy one. It would be a terrific commuter bike.

Now I understand why this bike is Guzzi's best seller. It's a solid package.

I also overheard a young guy in there that came in to look at the V7 tell the salesperson after he brought him over to show him the Ducati Scrambler "The Ducati really isn't my thing. I really like the Guzzi better".

It was cool hearing that.



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Re: V7 4500mile review
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2015, 06:56:11 AM »
OP's comment about the rear brake on his V7 got me to thinking about the fact that many new riders rely on the rear brake, particularly in a panic situation, as their primary brake.  I wonder if this has some connection to the fact that we use our feet to brake in a car and thus foot braking becomes a natural first response.  Is there some carryover to stopping a motorcycle?  The danger here is twofold: leg muscle is much stronger than forearm muscle so stomping on the pedal can transfer some serious force to that rear brake; add in the fact that as you apply the brakes the weight shifts forward and now there is very little friction between rear tire and road.  You'll notice that all motorcycles have smaller brake discs on the rear, recognizing the fact that the rear can more easily lock up in an emergency. 

Another thought, along the same lines, is that OP is coming off a 90cc bike with about 1/2 the weight of the V7.  I suspect the ratio of bike weight to rear tire patch (and to actual rear brake power) favors the smaller bike. 
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Re: V7 4500mile review
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2015, 07:08:06 AM »
Yesterday, I was at our local Guzzi dealerr having tires put on the Stelvio. While hanging around and chatting with one of the salesman there, I mentioned that I'd like to ride the new V7 sometime as my only experience with the small blocks, was the V50III I owned for a few years (and really liked). I was curious as to how the new single throttle body performed.

He mentioned that a couple of people had taken one for a test ride and that it was all warmed up and ready to go, so go have fun. This is my impression.

My impressions (spoiler alert;I really liked it):

The common complaint that the bike needs more power from my perspective is complete bullshit. The single throttle body motor is so torquey that it is and absolute blast to ride, and not once did I think while riding it that it needed more horsepower.

The sound of the stock pipes were fantastic.

The handling is light and nimble and an absolute blast in the twisty stuff. I think you'd be hard pressed to find any similar bike that handles any better or has a more enjoyable riding experience.

Brakes (anti-lock) were excellent. Gear box was crisp. Bike comes from the factory with Pirelli Sport Demons (which I love) and is sure footed.

I had it up to nearly 90 mph at one point, and while it didn't get there quite as quickly as the Griso or Stelvio, it was still pretty brisk.

It seems if I remember correctly that 2000 rpm was it's sweet spot. It pulled cleanly from pretty much anywhere to red line.

It's definitely not the brutal acceleration of the Griso 8v, but it's totally enjoyable none-the-less.

If you haven't ridden the single throttle body version, I'd recommend a test spin. I fully appreciated it for what it is and what it is not.

I totally get why Guzzi has stuck with it now. The updates make it feel like a fun modern bike.

I will say, it is a small bike though and someone very tall may find it a little cramped.

I had my Sidi Adventure boots on too because it was cold and I had a bitch of a time getting my toe under the shifter. it would definitely need to be adjusted for bigger boots.

The V7 oozes with essence of what a great standard was.

If I see a Nuovo Stornello come through, I may have to buy one. It would be a terrific commuter bike.

Now I understand why this bike is Guzzi's best seller. It's a solid package.

I also overheard a young guy in there that came in to look at the V7 tell the salesperson after he brought him over to show him the Ducati Scrambler "The Ducati really isn't my thing. I really like the Guzzi better".

It was cool hearing that.

Told ya!  Did you mean to say 4000 RPM is the sweet spot?

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Re: V7 4500mile review
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2015, 07:09:48 AM »
I'm not saying I don't or I can't, but look at MCN's (M Consumers News) performance index on stopping distances.

There's no doubt that the V7 front brake is superior to many others. And the V7 is lighter than the Sportster by 100-150#.

Then why is the stopping distance LONGER on the V7?

(at least in the 883L I was just comparing the other day, but I'm betting it's a pattern).

Reason? Simple physics. There's just not enough weight over the rear wheel, especially under threshold braking, for the rear wheel to significantly contribute on bikes with architecture similar to the V7.

Learn to use what you've got any way you want, that's cool.

But that doesn't change the simple rules of physics.

I had never thought of this and I think you are likely absolutely right.  When I was again test braking it the other day I struggled to describe the familiar feeling I was getting, the shifting weight and such; yet, when I read your comments, bingo.  I immediately thought of older pickup trucks I've owned and rear's different performance with varying or no loads while braking or even under acceleration.  I'm not sure this is a correct or good analogy on my part but it's what immediately came to mind.  It would also possibly explain at least one other conundrum I was struggling with, that is, why even the vintage bikes I've owned (with heavier rims and rear ends but with much more wooden brakes per se) didn't give me so much grief from the rear brake as this wonderful little Stone. 
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2015, 07:13:52 AM »
I too am in the habit of using both front and rear for hard braking.  I'm used to it as my other three bikes (and most of my prior bikes) are vintage with drum brakes.  On those bikes, you NEED both if you ever want to stop.
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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2015, 12:13:03 PM »
Difference of opinion: the clutch lever action on my 2013 V7 Special is"light"
Not triumph street twin light but on the light side of average
Maybe something is misadjusted or routed wrong???
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2015, 04:30:59 PM »
Love the review!

I'll come back later to ask a few questions and read through the comments, but wanted to post a reply so I could find this thread later.

Thanks

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Re: V7 4500mile review
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2015, 06:57:48 PM »
>>>The V7 oozes with essence of what a great standard was.<<<

Nailed it.   That's one reason I like my 13 Stone so much.   Grew up on 1970s era standard bikes.   The Guzzi is a better standard than anything I had back then. 

You are also right about the horsepower.  It's fine.  Don't be fooled by the modest paper specs.  In the real world, given the torquey character of the motor and the light weight of the bike, it's just fine.  Not a superbike, but just fine for a standard motorcycle.
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Re: V7 4500mile review
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2015, 09:47:10 AM »
I recently put an extended peg on the brake pedal on my V7
MG sells one for$20
I made mine
It makes it easier to regulate the rear brake as I now have more foot on the pedal
Just a thought


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