I'm in Mandello. Are CARC bikes in production? No.

[Lcarlson]

Well, one of the key things to keep weight down and handling up is a modern single-sided swingarm. The back end of the current 1400 would need a complete redesign. The frame is also poorly suited to non-cruiser designs IMHO. The current 1400 would need to lose at least 150 lbs (65 kilos for the educated among us) to get somewhere near its competitors, and to leave room for the returned weight of luggage and fairing in future developments.

There's a clear gap between the bored-out small block and the largest big-block, and the next generation (if it comes to be) needs to have power and weight approaching that of the Caponord, without necessarily pushing the envelope with electronic suspension and similar extremes. It also needs to be in the 525-625 lb weight class. Otherwise, it's relegated to cult status before ever leaving the drawing board (most Guzzis achieve that status only after reaching showroom floors, or even customer delivery!  )

Agree about the weight, and also think the cruiser frame would be unsuitable for a different class of bike. Still seems that the 1400 engine and drive train (or at least the engine) could power some brand new models.

[beetle]

The only difference between the 1400 BB and the 1200 are (ignoring the bore size) the heads. They are the same engine, essentially. You could install one in any CARC bike.

Basically, as Larry said, stick the engine in a new chassis. There's no need to 'trim down' the current 1400 chassis. Simply build a new one.

[ITSec]

The only difference between the 1400 BB and the 1200 are (ignoring the bore size) the heads. They are the same engine, essentially. You could install one in any CARC bike.

Basically, as Larry said, stick the engine in a new chassis. There's no need to 'trim down' the current 1400 chassis. Simply build a new one.

The earlier post talked about taking the 1400 as a bike and restyling it (at least as I read it). My point was that the effort would need to be more involved and expensive to be successful - and it looks like there may be some resistance to making such an investment. The answer may be simple, but it's not easy...

[Lcarlson]

As the author of that earlier post, I may not have expressed my idea clearly. I wasn't suggesting that the Cali cruisers could simply be restyled. They're too big for that. My point was that the 1400 engine, which already exists, is the logical power unit around which new model lines could be developed. IOW, Guzzi doesn't need to develop yet another motor at this time in order to design a new series of modern bikes. I suggested this in response to the numerous posts predicting brand new engine designs with watercooling, or whatever. I don't think they're needed, and I still predict that the 1400s are the big block future for some new non-cruiser models in the near term.

[oldbike54]

 Larry , that's a relief , I had a thousand word rebuttal almost completed 
No , you were clear initially 

 Dusty

[beetle]

Larry, you speak wisely.

[ITSec]

As the author of that earlier post, I may not have expressed my idea clearly. I wasn't suggesting that the Cali cruisers could simply be restyled. They're too big for that. My point was that the 1400 engine, which already exists, is the logical power unit around which new model lines could be developed. IOW, Guzzi doesn't need to develop yet another motor at this time in order to design a new series of modern bikes. I suggested this in response to the numerous posts predicting brand new engine designs with watercooling, or whatever. I don't think they're needed, and I still predict that the 1400s are the big block future for some new non-cruiser models in the near term.

My reading skills this weekend appear to have gone to the Diavel (or Diavolo - it's a thread reference  ).

However, I actually do think there needs to be a new engine design. The 1400, as new as it is, will not meet upcoming emissions and other spec requirements, and would make only a temporary solution if placed in a new frame. One can regard the 1400 as the apex of the current big block, and the V9 as the peak in its line - but by 2020 we will need more than just tacked on mods to the existing blocks. Since Guzzi models in recent decades have had a life of perhaps ten years (in order to earn back the investment) any replacement for the CARC lines will likely need to be planned to meet all specs through about 2028 or so....

[fossil]

In the moment the 1400 engine only complies with Euro 3. In one of our German magazines a leading Guzzi man (I have to look up who he was) clearly stated the Cali - engine will be the last one that is air-cooled....

[Zoom Zoom]

The Audace has an air pump on the engine I think. It complies with Euro 4.

John Henry

[beetle]

The Audace has an air pump on the engine I think. It complies with Euro 4.

John Henry

That is correct. Euro 4.

[pete roper]

Not so much a pump as an air injection system that works on simple Venturi effect I think.

Pete

[pete roper]

Not so much a pump as an air injection system that works on simple Venturi effect I think.

Pete

[fossil]

The Audace has an air pump on the engine I think. It complies with Euro 4.

John Henry

Oh yes, I see. Very good. Then this rises a question: is there any other brand that can provide air-cooled Euro 4 - bikes?

[Chuck in Indiana]

Stolen from another site.. give me one of these New Falcones..

Yeah, when pigs fly.

[oldbike54]

Stolen from another site.. give me one of these New Falcones..

Yeah, when pigs fly.

 More like when pigs fly , to another galaxy .

 Wait , wasn't there a Muppets episode called "Pigs in space" ?
 
 Dusty