I said Norge 8V but Stelvio NTX is also Looking Good

[pete roper]

Hey, the judge said I could take the tracking bracelet off, OK!

Pete

[Bonaventure]

Found a left over 2014 NTX still new in the showroom at a dealer much closer but they're asking more $$ than the far away shop with the left over 2016.  Even if the 2014 was reduced more, that's a long time to sit and how many times has it been started and let to idle for a potential buyer to hear it run?  That's a lot of moisture left in the crankcase over three or four years. 

The new 2016 is $11,995 but about $2K xtra after freight, setup, doc fee, cross country transport to my driveway.  Still well within the settlement GEICO paid on my totaled Duc however.  And yep, I know the depreciation hit is a bitch on not just new bikes but the new Guzzi's in particular.  However, I'm not looking to get one to turn around and sell it in a few yrs either.  The thing about the Guzzi's that I like, coming off a high tech bike stoked with all the newest goodies is that they're (Guzzi's) basically already old (prefer term Classic) when you buy new.  Pretty much what has worked for Harley Davidson but hd's aren't my cup of tea.  Did learn to ride on a '98 Sportster 1200 95th anniv edition, then traded up to a dyna, then sold and took flying lessons, bought a '67 Pa-28 140, got milked to death on upkeep of that old bird (whole other level of required upkeep in aviation...), sold and stopped flying... started riding again in 2013 (2013 Multistrada) as a tonic for my soul after the unexpected death of my wife @ age 45 in 2012.  Hit a deer with the 2013 Duc December 2015, totaled it, bought the 2016 Duc to replace, totaled it this past February after encountering gravel kickout 2nd half of an s-curve.  Pretty much recovered from broken left ankle (plate and screws installed), broken right arm (titanium rod installed), broken neck (C6, C7 spinous process's 12 weeks in a neck brace).  If I'd not been wearing full gear I'd be gone, the old cliche' "helmet saved my life" came true, but I always ride geared up.  Well, at least helmet gloves and boots... summer heat has seen me ditch my jackets occasionally (bad idea, I know).  Got a concussion even w/ the Nolan N104 on. 

Granted, any bike would have went down in the scenario I encountered, or so I tell myself to make it feel better.  In retrospect the accident was preventable and that's hard to admit.  Knew the road knew the curve and shouldn't have made that sort of run through it that time of year was about 50mph through the apex. 

How did this turn out to be about recent personal history?.... must be the coffee. 
 

[Huzo]

At least you've got a history mate...Flew Cubs and Pawnees a lot. Which one is the PA 28 ?

[Bonaventure]

At least you've got a history mate...Flew Cubs and Pawnees a lot. Which one is the PA 28 ?

Piper Cherokee 140 with the RAM 160hp STC, it was about 500 SMOH by Zeypher in Florida at the time I acquired it.  Wasn't a bad airplane had been through a restoration so had recent paint and interior, firewall-forward was done at time of the major overhaul as well, but I still lost a vacuum pump (sun was setting on way to home base I'm only VFR rated, that was fun...not), then later needed altimeter (had a yellow tagged unit put in), King kx135 gps went flakey, gear struts constantly sticking (common cherokee thing) had to have rebuilt, nose wheel shimmy on roll out after landing, starboard fuel tank draincock began leaking ... and more.  Was always something but that's old airplanes.  Was based at a class c airport where fbo's labor rates were high, was lucky to have an A&P/IA 30 minutes north at a small country field who charged about half that and allowed owner to participate in the annual inspection.  She was still a nice flier, well rigged & flew hands off once trimmed in cruise flt. 

[Huzo]

Never did much in Cherokees. Mainly C172 RG and aforesaid Super Cubs and Pawnees

[rocker59]

Even if the 2014 was reduced more, that's a long time to sit and how many times has it been started and let to idle for a potential buyer to hear it run?  That's a lot of moisture left in the crankcase over three or four years. 
 

Seriously.  You overthink everything, don't you?

[Bonaventure]

Seriously.  You overthink everything, don't you?

Pretty much, yeah.  Some call it OCD I call it being thorough 

[Huzo]

Pretty much, yeah.  Some call it OCD I call it being thorough 

That's fair enough Bonaventure, but if you think about something and end up with more questions than answers, sometimes best to just say "bugger it" and jump. And are you sure it's OCD? The letters look all wrong that way, the arrangement is all wrong and it bugs me to death...!

[Kev m]

Let's see...

• Engine oil every 6K miles / 10K km. That's less often than most cars on the road today, let alone motorcycles. 20 minutes.

I'm not defending the OP's position, but being a stickler for precision that statement is just not true.

Normal usage for MOST cars today is in the 8-10k range.

Yeah, air-cooled bikes still tend to be in this range, some even more frequent.

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[Kev m]

Found a left over 2014 NTX still new in the showroom at a dealer much closer but they're asking more $$ than the far away shop with the left over 2016.  Even if the 2014 was reduced more, that's a long time to sit and how many times has it been started and let to idle for a potential buyer to hear it run?  That's a lot of moisture left in the crankcase over three or four years. 

No, no it's not.

First, what dealers start a bike in a showroom to let it idle? Even the moron Harley salesman don't do that.

But then if they did you aren't getting jack in condensation because they aren't going to then let it sit and idle in the showroom for 10 minutes to come to temp (or close, which is really what is needed to get enough cooling for condensation).

But even if it happened 2 dozen times the damn thing lives in a show room, not a swamp or shed.

Nah, nope, not a real worry.

Though I still don't think a Guzzi is the right path for you.

Hell it barely is for me and I can only tolerate one at a time. I need my nice low maintenance more reliable Harleys to fill in all the gaps.

I'd add <ducking and running> but I'm serious.

[ITSec]

I'm not defending the OP's position, but being a stickler for precision that statement is just not true.

Normal usage for MOST cars today is in the 8-10k range.

Yeah, air-cooled bikes still tend to be in this range, some even more frequent.

[/list]

Perhaps a slight bit of hyperbole, but I would note that there's a difference between 'most cars sold today' and 'most cars on the road'. Long intervals started with performance cars back around 2004 or so (I first saw it on my '04 GTO) and gradually worked their way across all models. Since so many older cars are still being driven, my SWAG is that there are still a lot out there with a 3-4000 mile oil change specified. Either way, the recommended interval for the Moto Guzzis is basically a *shrug* - no big deal.

BTW, I had a lab check my oil in the Norge after it had been in for 11,000 miles one time, and it was still within spec and basically clean. I don't do this all the time, but I wanted to see exactly what the limits were in case I ever did something silly (like the IronButt Rally). So I tend to take a relaxed attitude about the issue.

[Kev m]

Perhaps a slight bit of hyperbole, but I would note that there's a difference between 'most cars sold today' and 'most cars on the road'. Long intervals started with performance cars back around 2004 or so (I first saw it on my '04 GTO) and gradually worked their way across all models. Since so many older cars are still being driven, my SWAG is that there are still a lot out there with a 3-4000 mile oil change specified. Either way, the recommended interval for the Moto Guzzis is basically a *shrug* - no big deal.

BTW, I had a lab check my oil in the Norge after it had been in for 11,000 miles one time, and it was still within spec and basically clean. I don't do this all the time, but I wanted to see exactly what the limits were in case I ever did something silly (like the IronButt Rally). So I tend to take a relaxed attitude about the issue.

Mea-culpa I did read most cars today as "most cars sold today" or "most current production cars".

The said I was writing for Chilton in the 90's and maintenance intervals we're already longer on most cars sold then, it's just that most owners were stuck on the 3k oil change mentality which was already only for severe service.[/list]