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Offline Bud

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Quality control?
« on: June 22, 2018, 08:35:19 PM »
     This is probably a well known story to you veteran Guzzists. I was reading the July/August Motorcyclist magazine and on page 26 they have a story about Dr. John Betts. He was committed to Moto Guzzi and they were developing a 4 valve engine and wanted him to use it in the season opener at Daytona in 1988. The engine arrived and when he took it apart to inspect it he found the heads were cracked!
     You can't make this stuff up! 

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Re: Quality control?
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2018, 09:20:28 PM »
Dr. John Wittner. Did they really call him Betts? If so, that's shameful.
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Re: Quality control?
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2018, 09:40:13 PM »
Legend has it the cracked heads were a test, to determine the doctor's attention to detail and ability to respond to challenges.
That's the combustion chamber of the turbo shaft. It is supposed to be on fire. You just don't usually see it but the case and fairing fell off.

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Re: Quality control?
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2018, 09:42:24 PM »
I does say Dr. John Wittner.
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Re: Quality control?
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2018, 11:21:05 PM »
Nothing has changed, a friend had to get a new head on a Stelvio. Burned oil from day 1.
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Re: Quality control?
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2018, 11:25:24 PM »
In '88 Wittner's race bike engine was nothing to do with either production or QA. The original engine supplied to Wittner was a tired development prototype because with engineering resources being limited at Mandello, Todero didn't want to give away an unworn unit.  This was about 5 years before the engine was in production.  Eventually Todero and Wittner got together and the Daytona was the result.

Finding the right alloy to use for the heads was a major reason it took until '93 to get the Daytona engine into production. The highly temperature resistant alloy used in '93-on production was difficult to cast, and as a result the occasional casting flaw snuck through, which was a QA issue.  Most were fine but I saw one come off a near new Centauro once, in two pieces  :grin:

After Piaggio took over and decided to continue with Aprilia's Griso development, basically an update to the Centauro concept, they looked at the existing 8V engine and decided to move the cam drive to the back of the head so air flow could cool them better.  That necessitated chains instead of belts because space was limited behind the heads.  It took a while to complete, so the first year (2007) Griso was produced with the two valve per cylinder engine.



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Re: Quality control?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2018, 11:14:19 AM »
     Yes Dr. Wittner, sorry.

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Re: Quality control?
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2018, 11:31:35 AM »
Magazines have been known to regurgitate total BS when it comes to Guzzi. I'v seen stories about how the Guzzi V-twin was originally used in a WWII light tank, or a tractor that went up 89 degree inclines and climbed trees, or a rejected fiat car prototype engine that was sitting around and then stuffed in a motorcycle chassis.

Get a copy of .

It was probably the source for the article. lots of good stuff in here and dispels a lot of the myths. I've read my copy about 5 times.
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