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OK, second opinion required...
« on: November 05, 2018, 11:15:47 PM »
With this POS Cali I've bought it's going to need a 7/33 final drive. Not just because it's going to pull a chair but also just because I think the 8/33 is stupid high even for solo use.

So I'm in a quandary. Should I try and seek out a good, original, 7/33 box off something which will ensure the gears are good quality or should I buy a set of aftermarket gears of dubious origin and quality and build myself one?

The Stucchi/LLC gears have a reputation for being a bit hit or miss. I'm loath to invest in a set that might be iffy but good, original, 7/33's seem to be like rocking horse shit!

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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2018, 03:12:38 AM »
Just grind a tooth off the 8/33 pinion and you'll be good to go!

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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2018, 05:15:38 AM »
Just grind a tooth off the 8/33 pinion and you'll be good to go!
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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2018, 05:17:39 AM »
 Pete, I bought a high mileage well used Cali 2 to remake into a cafe bike about 6 years ago...It had  8/33 rear gears....I bought a 7/33 complete rear drive on Ebay for reasonable money....It was in very good shape and only need seals...
 You work on Guzzi's, do the rear gearsets actually wear out if not run without oil?


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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2018, 05:57:17 AM »
here's one 
https://www.ebay.com/i/272724137382?chn=ps   But personally if I had your skills, I would build it. 

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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2018, 09:38:23 AM »
Building one isn't the issue. It's the quality of the gears that concerns me. Problem with the old ones is that they're old. Really old now. That means that most of them will be worn or damaged in some way.

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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2018, 09:57:31 AM »
Pete, are the gears Teo Lamers sells Stucchi? Stein Dinse has'em too. /2/]https://www.stein-dinse.biz/product_info.php?products_id=640#prettyPhoto[pr_gal]/2/

Had no idea those boxes are going for USD$650 and up!
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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2018, 10:14:54 AM »
I sure have been disappointed with the quality of the aftermarket gears I've gotten. I'd like to say to the machinist : clean your tooling and keep it sharp. It looks to me the evidence of not doing so is on the gear faces with pits and gouges that were too deep for the grinding process to take out. Tell quality assurance to actually look at the product. The best bet would be new old stock gears from the factory.
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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2018, 10:52:11 AM »
When it comes to gears, I'd go with what you know to be solid and durable. In this case, I think I'd opt for the good old trusted box off an old bike with reasonable wear and rebuilt it with fresh seals and bearings than to go with some mystery manufacturer gears with no record other than they work for now.
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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2018, 10:57:20 AM »
Since you’re so handy, I would recommend rebuilding with new or used gears. Try a liquid penetrant to test the gears for flaws (such as the one offered by Magnaflux). If the gears are sound, the backlash correct, and the gear oil fresh, your new 7:33 should hold up well...even with a hack.
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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2018, 06:29:08 PM »
I assume that is alignment marks for assembly. I hope they use hunting tooth  gear ratios.

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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2018, 07:33:49 AM »
I assume that is alignment marks for assembly. I hope they use hunting tooth  gear ratios.
33 isn't evenly divisible by 7 and 33 isn't divisible by 2 so I'd assume they would hunt.
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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2018, 08:35:26 AM »
Just grind a tooth off the 8/33 pinion and you'll be good to go!

Or 1/2 a tooth off of opposite sides to even it out.
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I have an 8/35 set that I am going to try this winter. Not sure how that will work out.
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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2018, 07:22:52 PM »
My experience has been you are always better off using OEM gears if possible.
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Re: OK, second opinion required...
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2018, 09:23:21 PM »
Buy the new gears, have them cryogenically treated and nitrided. Spendy but it'll put them right.
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