Author Topic: first impressions eldorado (Read 2766 times)

ampm7 · « **on:** January 19, 2020, 03:06:29 PM »

After 600 miles and after purchase here are my observations. I really like the bike. It handles well, has plenty of power for an old dude, stops very well and looks good. Averaging more than 40 miles to a gallon. Luckily the bike came with bags (not pictured) and Agostini pipes. I put a Boosterplug on for low rpm fueling and will probably add a K&N filter and possibly open the airbox just a bit. Came with a lithium battery that weighs practically nothing and I just put on Progressive 944 shocks a definite improvement. All in all,

I am quite happy!

s1120 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 19, 2020, 05:03:50 PM »

Nice! I really like the looks of that bike. I normaly like a little more sporty, but if the funds were there... Id be looking at parking it at my house.

Beowulf · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2020, 05:27:23 PM »

Congrats. That's a beautiful bike. What's your thoughts on the lithium battery?

Gliderjohn · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2020, 06:55:27 PM »

Very nice!

GliderJohn

oldbike54 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 19, 2020, 08:48:57 PM »

What is a "booster plug" ?

Never mind , found something on it . Please don't let Pete see this .

Dusty

bobrebos · « **Reply #5 on:** January 20, 2020, 04:50:04 AM »

Nice Bike!

kballowe · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2020, 06:00:42 AM »

Congratulations.

Blaufeld66 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2020, 07:43:54 AM »

Nice looking bike!!!

ozarquebus · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2020, 07:53:23 AM »

Awesome bike!

redrider90 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2020, 09:05:52 AM »

Quote from: oldbike54 on January 19, 2020, 08:48:57 PM

What is a "booster plug" ?

Never mind , found something on it . Please don't let Pete see this .

Dusty

Hells bells tell me what a booster plug is as I need education. I do not know what it is.

Kev m · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2020, 09:32:14 AM »

He's talking about something like an O2 sensor fooler. Basically a dumb device that alters the resistance of the O2 sensor circuit to fool the ECM into thinking the bike is running lean and therefore richen up the mixture.

The concept is attractive if you over-simplify the fuel mapping and assume everything is lean on a modern bike. But since the EPA and eu only specify tests under certain conditions the over-simplification is misleading.

Since we know that Guzzi maps go rich, can sometimes even pig rich at certain points, a fooler device such as this carries the risk of worsening performance or even possible engine damage under certain conditions.

YMMV, but when Pete sees this expect him to lose his bloody mind.

kballowe · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2020, 10:18:36 AM »

Quote from: Kev m on January 20, 2020, 09:32:14 AM

The concept is attractive if you over-simplify the fuel mapping

So, I pulled the plugs on my 1400 at 3,000 miles and the porcelains were snow white. All of them. Unmodified.

Valve adjustment was good. Screwed spark plugs back in, and continued riding. It could benefit from a richer fuel mixture. Maybe.

The bike runs great.

Bpreynolds2 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2020, 10:23:04 AM »

Quote from: kballowe on January 20, 2020, 10:18:36 AM

So, I pulled the plugs on my 1400 at 3,000 miles and the porcelains were snow white. All of them. Unmodified.

Valve adjustment was good. Screwed spark plugs back in, and continued riding. It could benefit from a richer fuel mixture. Maybe.

Careful. Don’t monkey too much with my future bike!!!!

As for the original poster, big congrats. You just got a gorgeous bike with a wonderful engine.

Kev m · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2020, 10:24:05 AM »

Quote from: kballowe on January 20, 2020, 10:18:36 AM

So, I pulled the plugs on my 1400 at 3,000 miles and the porcelains were snow white. All of them. Unmodified.

Valve adjustment was good. Screwed spark plugs back in, and continued riding. It could benefit from a richer fuel mixture. Maybe.

Except that in the absence of performing a plug chop the plug analysis is near useless. You only have evidence of idle or whatever the last conditions were before you shut it down.

There's no doubt in my mind that EFI bikes (especially closed loop systems) are tuned lean in spots (per testing standards).

That doesn't preclude then going rich and sometimes pig rich at points in the map. Just fattening it up everywhere is not a smart solution.

kballowe · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2020, 10:26:40 AM »

Quote from: Bpreynolds2 on January 20, 2020, 10:23:04 AM

Careful. Don’t monkey too much with my future bike!!!!

As for the original poster, big congrats. You just got a gorgeous bike with a wonderful engine.

Sorry Brian - I was just getting it ready for you. Just making sure that everything is in fine, fine order.
I even knocked the dust off of it - sitting there in the basement man cave.

kballowe · « **Reply #15 on:** January 20, 2020, 10:29:05 AM »

Quote from: Kev m on January 20, 2020, 10:24:05 AM

You only have evidence of idle or whatever the last conditions were before you shut it down.

Oh, I get it.

Well, seeing as I only ride it on Sundays (and only downhill) then that makes sense.

blu guzz · « **Reply #16 on:** January 20, 2020, 10:37:19 AM »

When I had my 1400, I tried one of the plugs with a return guarantee. I had thought that the bike ran fine just as it was, however, I really noticed an improvement in roll on power as I did not have to twist the throttle nearly as much and on the move, the tip-in was much smoother. Mileage did not seem to change.

ampm7 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 20, 2020, 11:44:47 AM »

The Boosterplug is basically a resistor that provides a consistent current/signal interrupting the air temp sensor. I had first used one on a BMW R1150rt that had bad fueling. It improved it quite a bit, however the Eldo has better fueling to begin with so the improvement is somewhat smaller. I have used EJK fuel controllers on a couple of bikes and they work really well however, they do not make them for Guzzi's except the 1200 Sport and they won't ship to California. Basically the device (Boosterplug) just enriches the mixture at low rpm's but doesn't affect it when increased rpm's and more throttle. The biggest problem is with installation. Normally most air temp sensors are in the airbox but not on the Guzzi. Instead on the Guzzi, the air temp is on the throttle body manifold so, you have to lift the tank, prop it up and move a bunch of stuff to get at it. One of the reasons that I had a concern for this was, that the headers were heavily discolored blue meaning a very lean mixture. Not good. On another note, has anyone put Matris or Traxxion cartridges in the front forks and how do you like the improvement?

Kev m · « **Reply #18 on:** January 20, 2020, 12:31:10 PM »

Why would changing the air temp circuit resistance ONLY enrichen the mixture at least rpm? Is the mapping disregarding the air temp at least higher rpm in a speed density system? Or otherwise reducing it's importance?!?

ampm7 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 20, 2020, 03:05:32 PM »

As I recall, the stock air temp on most bikes are subject to lots of fluctuations in air/fuel delivery particularly down low-usually lean. The only way to know for sure is have a dyno test of the air fuel mixture. Each bike is going to be different. The last bike I had a dyno test on was my VII with a Power Commander installed. It was lean below 4000rpm's so they corrected for that. It didn't solve everything, but it made the bike more pleasurable to ride. I guess when it comes to mods 'different strokes for different folks'.

Two Checks · « **Reply #20 on:** January 20, 2020, 03:22:06 PM »

Hmm....installing a booster plug to enriched the mixture and then installing a K&N lessfilter and drilling holes in the airbox to allow more air.
Does anyone see a problem with this?

drbone641 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 20, 2020, 07:24:59 PM »

I love my Eldo. I loved my Touring. Both are surprisingly nimble and extremely comfortable. I have never enjoyed riding big bikes and was so convinced of it, that I sold my Touring, after an incredible cross country, and regretted it on the drive to deliver it to Britman. That is fixed now.

wymple · « **Reply #22 on:** January 21, 2020, 05:15:50 PM »

Quote from: kballowe on January 20, 2020, 10:26:40 AM

Sorry Brian - I was just getting it ready for you. Just making sure that everything is in fine, fine order.
I even knocked the dust off of it - sitting there in the basement man cave.

Dang that's pretty.

Zoom Zoom · « **Reply #23 on:** January 23, 2020, 05:44:44 AM »

Congrats ampm7!

Yep, I've been happy with mine for a while now.

John Henry

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