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Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« on: April 29, 2020, 12:08:20 PM »
This would be well above my pay grade, I'm sure.  Any of you guys or gals ever true a motorcycle wheel?  It appears (visually) the front wheel on my new-to-me Triumph T120 may be exhibiting a very small amount of axial and radial movement when spun.  I have no truing stand, and will spend time on the phone and internet today to see if I can locate someone in the Cleveland area that is experienced in truing wheels. 

The following link took me to what appeared to be a reasonably well-though-out article on wheel truing.  I'm afraid it would be easy to get in way over my head, making the problem worse vs fixing it.

Any thoughts from those who have trued their wheels?

https://bikebrewers.com/true-motorcycle-wheel/
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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2020, 12:16:05 PM »
Yes.
I don’t know if there’s a definitive method or not, but I take the spokes up finger tight first then attack the axial runout next.
Tightening a spoke will pull the rim in that direction, but you’ve to make sure the one on the other side is loose enough to allow it to move.
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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2020, 12:26:23 PM »
Over the years I’ve had a few wheels trued at a couple of Harley shops. They didn’t care that they weren’t Harley wheels. Both times it was local and surprisingly inexpensive.
Worth talking to the local guys.

Just an idea.

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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2020, 12:27:10 PM »
First, it's best with the tire removed, but can be done with it deflated.

There's a difference between truing a 'true wheel' and one that's been tweaked. If it's a little bit bent, then it's going to place undue stress on the spokes pulling it back in line. If one of the sides has a flat spot, it'll probably be low and wobble to that side.

If the rim is undamaged, it's relatively easy truing it up. I'm sure you've gotten the basics now. There really isn't much to it. But do get the proper spoke wrench for your nipples. Don't try substituting anything else, crescent wrench, pliers, vise grips, etc.

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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2020, 12:37:08 PM »
Over the years I’ve had a few wheels trued at a couple of Harley shops. They didn’t care that they weren’t Harley wheels. Both times it was local and surprisingly inexpensive.
Worth talking to the local guys.

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What!

My nearby Harley dealer wouldn't even sell me a tire, because he know I might take it home and mount it on a non-Harley.
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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2020, 12:37:28 PM »
Send it to woodyswheelworks.co m

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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2020, 12:45:11 PM »
  Just how much ?  1/32" , 1/4" , the first I'd suggest ignore it . The later , cause for attention .  Peter

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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2020, 01:26:22 PM »
:shocked:

What!

My nearby Harley dealer wouldn't even sell me a tire, because he know I might take it home and mount it on a non-Harley.

I’ve heard other people say they had similar experiences.
Personally I’ve never owned a Harley but have bought a fair bit of stuff from them over the years. Never had an issue.
The fact that there are probably 10 or 12 HD dealers within say...75 miles...might have something to do with my experience.
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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2020, 02:00:26 PM »
At one time I had a connection with a bicycle shop for wheel work, you may try that avenue.  DonG

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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2020, 02:03:59 PM »
I have trued a couple and laced one up from scratch. I didn't use a truing stand, just my bench vise gripping the axle  and my dial indicator on the vise anvil. A bit tedious but not that hard really.
BTW use a proper spoke wrench. Craftsman iginition wrenches are not up to the task.
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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2020, 02:17:39 PM »
Reposted

I rebuilt and trued two stock HD wheels in my time.
It was  very easy, because I knew which hub, spoke and rim combination to use.

 Using a home made wooden truing stand and a simple spoke wrench, As Frank told me at Crazy Frank's Bike Shop:
 "you lace it up loose as a goose in whatever the pattern is. ie cross 2, cross 3. It pretty much builds itself once you see the pattern."

Put wheel in the open v-notches of the truing stand with the axle bolt with a simple wooden stick used as an edge gauge so you can see the rim wander from side to side when spun. In small decreasing increments, tighten on one side to pull rim one way and tighten on the other for the opposite.

Normally wheel and tire is removed.
To do it on the bike would be less accurate since the tire is still on there in your case, but you would deflate, loosen up them spokes and then true it if you could strap a stable edge gauge to the fork somehow. The (axial?radial?)out-of-roundness is usually not something you would have to worry about in truing side side to side and is probably due to another factor such as the tire. A wheel would have to be grossly out of adjustment when built or bent to have truing produce an out of round configuration.

Correcting an out of round wheel with spoke adjustment is outside of my realm. I would say remove tire, disassemble wheel, straighten or replace rim, rebuild and true wheel.

It is really very easy.
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2020, 02:49:57 PM »
I don't know the Cleveland area, but Cleveland Moto is open by appointment and I'm sure they could true a wheel for you.  Here is link to their website; https://www.clevelandmoto.com/

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2020, 03:20:32 PM »
Kinda like a garage door spring! Best left to a expert.
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2020, 04:45:33 PM »
Kinda like a garage door spring! Best left to a expert.
How did they get to become experts ?
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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2020, 05:22:00 PM »
How did they get to become experts ?
BTW
I believe you on the garage door spring ... :angry:

Can't claim to be an expert in either field, but building a wheel never bit me like that garage door spring did...  My blood & guts former Marine boss almost fainted & then couldn't find the big first aid kit  (right there on his desk in front of him)  and the doctor that gave me stitches was so pretty I was happy to be there.  Good scar. It's funny now.

It's pretty straightforward to build a wheel.  Remove tire. all spokes equally loose &  laced in proper pattern.  bent wheel is different than out of true, a "real" stand isn't mandatory.  Go slow.  Remember to think opposites when needed. I blended the corners on my old dog bone spoke wrench.  Now it's lots more comfortable to use &  have less interference. 

If you're reusing spokes & nipples- debris between nipple and rim can cause issues with getting tension right.  My favorite book/manual  recommends not changing spokes to different holes in wheel hub.  When new, a spoke will index to the specific hole in hub and may be more likely to fail if relocated when reused. 

A bum tire (actual flawed or badly mounted) can mimic a bent rim.  A bad tube/tire can also pull a rim out of true if the spoke tension is bad, rim has been damaged or both.  This is more common with bicycle wheels & tires, but we've seen more crap motorcycle tires in recent years than in the last 20+ yrs combined.
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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2020, 07:10:03 PM »
Really appreciate all the advice and comments.  Got more suggestions here than on the Triumph forum, although a few of them had first hand info on tire problems on the specific bike with the OEM tires that caused wobbling issues.

Worst case ..... if I can't find a shop that can do the job, at least I'll rig up a stand that lets me spin the wheel and measure runout.  Hopefully it won't be severe, and with some luck, the replacement Michelin Activ 100/90-18 will cure the problem.

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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2020, 07:50:02 PM »
Really appreciate all the advice and comments.  Got more suggestions here than on the Triumph forum, although a few of them had first hand info on tire problems on the specific bike with the OEM tires that caused wobbling issues.

Worst case ..... if I can't find a shop that can do the job, at least I'll rig up a stand that lets me spin the wheel and measure runout.  Hopefully it won't be severe, and with some luck, the replacement Michelin Activ 100/90-18 will cure the problem.

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Don’t rely on luck mate..
Get an old wheel that’s a bit out and practice pulling it back, or get an ok one and loosen the spokes off a bit and take it back up.
I did the ones on my Norge and it was surprisingly drama free..

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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2020, 08:50:39 PM »
Don’t rely on luck mate..
Get an old wheel that’s a bit out and practice pulling it back, or get an ok one and loosen the spokes off a bit and take it back up.
I did the ones on my Norge and it was surprisingly drama free..
First, I want to know how bad/good the run out numbers are. I'll go from there.  I'd forgotten you installed the spoke wheels on your  Norge until reading your post.

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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2020, 10:20:33 PM »
Over my pay scale as well. If my T120 needs wheel truing I live close enough to go to Buchanans.

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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2020, 10:24:34 PM »
Over my pay scale as well. If my T120 needs wheel truing I live close enough to go to Buchanans.

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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2020, 11:29:39 PM »
My experience is similar to Cliffrod's (except the garage door spring missed me!).  Even wrapped tape around the spoke wrench to smooth the edges.

I've always trued my bicycle wheels and LD BEnnetts's article in the BSA club gave me the courage to try it with motorcycle wheels. I can't find a link to his artical so posting the text below.
 
You don't need a truing stand.  If you true the wheels on the bike, you know where the centerline is.  On the motorbike you can tape paint stir sticks to the frame, swingarm or fork to see the runout at the edge of the rim.  With the tire off you can tape them inside the bead.

       


To verify that your rim is out of true, tape some paint sticks or some other telltale near the rim and spin the wheel.  If it has a kink, flat spot, or a dip on one side and not the other, it will be difficult to true.  If it is a gentler egg shape or side to side sweep it will be easier to true.

Bennett points out that the big difference between bicycles and motorcycles is that the motocycle wheel must be trued with all the spoke nipples finger tight, then the spokes can be tensioned.  Tensioning a 40 spoke wheel is 1/4 turn of every 3rd spoke until all the spokes are tight.  You can make minor adjustments in alignment as you tension. 


Tech Feature: To Lace or not to Lace; That is the question.
By L. D. Bennett


Part One: Component Selection and Preparation

Your restoration project is coming along smartly and economically, then you hit the wheels. The drums need paint or polishing, the rims are rusted and/or dented or wrong for the model year and the only way is a wheel disassembly. "My God , how will I ever get all those little spokes back in the right holes pointing the correct direction" you exclaim. Most restorers are intimidated by wheel lacing but that is not necessary. You can save + per wheel if you do it yourself.

The first thing is to decide what combination of components you will need. For rims you can use Akront copy alloy rims, English made steel rims, Italian econo steel rims, American flangeless Sun alloy rims, Japanese alloy DID or Excel rims and even English Stainless rims. There are other choices, as well, including straightening and re-chroming the originals. For spokes you can go with New-Old-Stock(NOS) original manufacturer, Stainless from either England or US made Buchanan, or newly manufactures plated spokes. Spoke nipples can be plated brass, Stainless, unplated brass, and perhaps other choices. My personal preference for spokes and nipples is stainless for both, from Buchanan, using whatever rim makes sense for the application. The absolute strongest for racing rims are the Excell hardened aluminum alloy only followed by the Sun rims.

It is hard to avoid using the Stainless combination spoke, nipple, and rim. The pitfall here is that stainless on stainless galls, requiring Anti-Seize on the spoke threads. That combination gives years of service without the worry of rusting components. Also remember that stainless steel does not look like chromed steel, if that is important. Be aware that brass nipples plated or not are delicate and need to be assembled with care to avoid marking the wrenching surface. Stainless it a lot more durable in that respect.

Purchasing a rim at the junk yard or at a swap meet is probably not wise. You see, every hub requires a unique and specific pattern of angled holes in the rim to angle the spokes correctly. And the pattern of the spoking called the "cross" effect the angles as well. As an aside, the pattern cross can be 2, 3, or 4, or one on show bikes. This refers to the number of spokes that a given spoke crosses over (actually touches) on its path from the hub to the rim. Most normal British wheels are laced cross three or maybe cross two if the hub is particularly large in diameter. Racers like cross four since it is the strongest lacing pattern. Of course the number of spoke holes in the rim and hub has to match. The common sizes are 36 and 40 hole. The way to resolve the rim problem is to lay it on your rim supplier. Buchanan, for instance, has all the specification on record so that they can drill a blank rim to virtually any hub and cross pattern you desire while you wait. Don't forget to have them drill the rim for tire locks if you plan to run them

Purchasing the spokes can be a problem as well if the pattern is to change from the original. The different cross patterns require different length spokes. Again Buchanan has his spec book that tells him what you need. In fact, his crew cut and thread the spoke while you wait. Of, course you could mail order from him if traveling to the Azusa area in LA County is a problem. Other wheel shops offer similar services but Buchanan is the largest shop and they make the spoke blanks, Sun rims, and nipples themselves.

The easiest approach is to re-lace the wheel just as you found it-stock. Take photos or make drawings of the lacing patterns. Note that the spoking is done in groups of four, all criss crossing among themselves. In the space between groups the spokes are all aimed away from each other. This is the ideal space for the tube air valve or the tire lock bolts. Most British bikes have either 9 or 10 groups of four, 36 or 40 spokes total, with half emanating from each side of the hub. The pattern is such that every spoke has a mate on its' side of the hub that pulls in the opposite direction. Most also have a pattern that puts these pairings on opposite sides of the hub on the same side of the wheel. Another way to assure you'll get the wheel back together the right way is to take a group of four and trace each spoke back to the hub and uniquely mark the hub, spoke, and rim for each one. That's four marks on the hub, four marked spokes and four marks on the rim, each spoke path uniquely marked, all hidden from normal view of course. The rest of the lacing is that pattern, just moved around the wheel. I'll refer to this set of four spokes as the master set.

To work on the wheel I lay a flat piece of relatively heavy plywood on top of my vice into which I have tightened the wheel's axle. Of course a hole in the center of the plywood in necessary. That makes a table for the rim and a center on which to rotate the wheel as I true it. At this point you must document the offset of the rim. Using the plywood as a flat plane and with the wheel on the axle measure the distance to the center of the rim. If your wheel is terribly out of true you only have to ask Buchanan for that dimension and to what it is referenced. You may have to resort to making this measurement with the hub mounted in the bike. If so, remember to allow for tire and chain clearances. Compare the new rim to the original, looking for the group of four, checking out the angle of the holes. Transfer the rim hole marking for the master set to the new rim from the old. Disassemble the wheel from the tire side of the rim using an electric screwdriver, if you have one, but re-verify that you have put matching marks on the four spoke group that you marked earlier. This is necessary as each of the four spokes is likely to have a different length and head angle. By marking them and comparing them to the new spoke set you'll be able to separate the spokes into their appropriate styles and not get everything mixed up.

Next time we'll start the actual lacing.

Part Two: Wheel Lacing, At last.

This time we start the actual lacing process but last time we documented the original wheel as to offset, we photographed it or made a drawing of the spoke pattern and the crossover relationships of the criss crossing spokes and we marked the four master sets of spokes on the hub, the rim (both old and new), and the spokes. The rim, spoke, nipple, and pattern were selected. We made our lacing "table" (a sturdy piece of plywood). And we disassembled the old wheel. Now, boss, now?

To start the actual lacing pick one of the four master spokes, gather up all the spokes that match in length and head angle, and install them in every other hole of the hub, starting at its marked hub hole, all the way around the hub, pointing them in the correct direction. Select the next master spoke that is suppose to be on the same side of the hub and lace them onto the hub, in every other hole of the hub, starting at its' marked hub hole, all the way around the hub, pointing them in the correct direction. Refer to your photos or drawings to determine how the spokes lay over each other. Do the same on the other side of the wheel. Now start feed the appropriate spokes into the rim. Do one master spoke set at a time. That is to say do all the forward facing spokes on the brake side first, then the reverse facing spokes on the brake side. Turn the hub over and do the next set then the final set. To keep the spokes in correct alignment before pushing them into the rim masking tape at the cross over points can help. Some of the last ones can be tough to get into the rim holes, so bend the spokes as necessary and re- straighten them once they are into the hole. It is easier if you start the lacing with the shorter spokes first since that allows the last spokes to be the longer ones which can be bent into the rim holes easier than the short ones. For each set spin the nipples on only a turn or two, just enough to keep the spokes from falling out of the rim hole. If it is stainless spokes on stainless nipples don't forget the anti-seize or the assembly lube provided by Buchanan, a drop per nipple. You must pay attention to get the correct spokes into the hub holes with the spoke head on the correct side of the hub flange and with the spokes pointing in the correct direction. Also make sure that the rim holes are angled correctly as per your drawings or photos. Also verify that you end up with the same cross pattern as the original. If the master set of four spokes is correct all others will also be correct, so bothering to do the marking of the master set is a huge help.

Next comes the centering and truing. It takes patience to true a wheel. Just take your time. Make a pointer out of an old piece of coat hanger wire with a point ground on one end and a small loop on the other. Using a wood screw affix the pointer to the plywood so that you can get the pointed end of the pointer close to the rim. Start by tightening the spokes around the rim using your electric screwdriver. This first tightening should be done evenly for every spoke but only to the level of minimum tightness (just enough to pull the rim barely tight against the spokes). Set up the wheel so you can measure the wheel offset by placing the hub down on the plywood and measuring from the plywood, using it as a plane. To center the wheel to that offset tighten all the spokes on the side of the wheel (brake side verses other side) to pull the rim over and loosen all the spokes to move the rim away. The final accuracy has to be + or - about 1/32 inch. Just get close the first time. At this point the end of the spoke will start to protrude into the nipples screw slot, not allowing the slot to be used for tightening. All additional tightening will require a spoke wrench. Get a good wrench that has a jaw face that is at least 1/4 inch wide and fits the nipple perfectly. The one by Rowe Products fits six different size nipples and works well.

Put a spacer (socket) between the plywood and the hub to raise the rim clear of the plywood for easy spinning. Remove the radial runout of the rim by tightening the spokes to move the rim away from the pointer and loosening spokes to move the rim toward the pointer. Adjust the spokes the most at the peak point tapering the adjustment over about 6 spokes in each direction of the peak. Make the opposite adjustment on the spokes directly opposite (top vs. bottom). If you don't tighten some and do the loosening of the opposing pair you'll end up with spokes way too tight and a wheel with rising and fall points everywhere.

Remove the spacer and do the offset adjustment again. Then install the spacer and do the radial adjustment. Repeat until you get to the + and - 1/32 inch tolerance or better for both radial and offset. I use the tire seating surface both vertical and horizontal (where the bead runs) as my reference point for the pointer but remember that rims are made from continuos extrusions of material, bent to be round, then joined by welding. This leaves a small discontinuity in that bead surface at the weld which has been ground by hand to look good, not necessarily perfectly round or flat. Once you are satisfied with the radial truing and the offset adjustment (wheel wobble) tighten all spokes approximately the same amount, i.e., one half turn or one turn or whatever. All spokes should end up with uniform ringing when the spoke wrench is used as a mini-hammer on the center of the spoke. Each set of master spokes should ring with approximately the same note. The results are usually four different rings, one for each of the master spoke types. If you are unaware of how tight is tight and what the ring should sound like try a known good wheel just for a test. The tightness does not have to be violin tight. After the final tightening recheck the radial and offset again and make any small adjustment necessary. Usually none are needed.

Unless the new spokes were perfect in length (highly unlikely) the spoke end will protrude beyond the end of the nipples into the tube area of the wheel. This protrusion must be ground even with the nipple or a flat tire is in your future. A Dremel tool or equivalent with a small grinding stone works well. Buchanan uses a bench grinder with a shaped grinding wheel.

Well, that's it. You're done. It usually take a couple of hours per wheel, working slowly but your first one could take twice as long. The wheel doesn't have to be perfect. The + and - 1/32 inch tolerance is more than adequate. Dirt bikes can get away with a large tolerance. Ride the bike for a couple of hundred miles then tighten the spokes again but on the bike. It should only take a small part of a turn on each spoke at worst.

Part 3

After writing the previous parts in this series I had my confidence shattered when our Vintage racer's (1975 CZ 400) wheel broke out 9 of its 36 spokes while competing in a Vintage Motocross event at Gorman's Hungry Valley competition track. Fortunately, Dave my son, was able to get back to the truck without getting hurt but the wheel wobbled ferociously. The tire had rubbed on the frame so hard it polished the powder coating off both inner surfaces of the tubes, and the virtually new tire had the knobs ripped off a foot long section on each side destroying the tire. The very scarce and expensive CZ magnesium hub was undamaged as was the Excel aluminum rim. Only the shorter brake side spokes broke, the ones with the most angled heads. What had gone wrong?


I asked other racers with years of motocross experience as to what could be the matter. One showed me his CZ wheel laced cross four (stock is cross one on the brake side and cross two on the other side) claiming that was the answer. Still another stated that the more cross lace patterns were actually weaker. Still another said the spokes must have been too loose even though I had tuned up the wheel two days before the event. My son insisted that I must have over tightened them. Heavier gauge spokes were discussed but the CZ magnesium hubs are very fragile and could not handle being drill out to fit the larger diameter spoke heads. The hub would most certainly break at the flange. What to do? Call Buchanan's and ask for advice, that's what!


Kevin at Buchanan's first question was "How long is the spoke wrench you use?". I told him that the neat little wrench I recommended here was about 3 inches long. His comment was that I needed to be using a wrench 6 to 7 inches long. He stated that the tightening torque should be 80 inch lbs! That results in a spoke tightness such that if two crossing spokes are pinched together they will not move more than 1 mm. I have never tightened spokes that tight. I was always afraid of breaking them. He described exactly the nature of the broken spokes, jagged ends broken at the hub. He stated that with the "loose" spokes the hub works them back and forth and work hardens the ends at the hub. They become brittle and break at the first big load, like the jumps at Gorman. He suggested a break away torque wrench set that includes one handle that breaks at 50 to 60 inch lbs for initial tightening and for older British steel rims, and a final one that breaks at 80 inch lbs. The wrench set is made by Fasst in Long Beach. Buchanan's sold me a long handled wrench sized for the Buchanan's CZ spoke on one end and for British spokes on the other end. Kevin re-iterated to be sure to use the anti-seize on the internal threads of the spoke nipples and any handy oil on the outer surface of the nipples that tightens against the rim. The oil makes the torquing and tightening more accurate and not effected by the aluminum to stainless steel friction. As to the extra strength of increased cross patterns? Up to a point, he said, extra crosses do increase the strength but that the earlier practice of lacing Maico wheels cross five and six was totally unnecessary. He assured me that the cross one cross two pattern of stock CZ wheels was adequate if the spokes are tight enough. It was necessary to re-lace the wheel, throwing away all the original spokes, as they are now work hardened, and follow Kevin advise on tightening the spokes.


I started the relacing by completely removing all the old spokes and lacing in the new ones. I started on the brake side (shortest spokes) with the nine (36 spoke wheel) spokes that lay to the outside of the wheel. Next I did the brake side nine spokes that lay closest to the center of the wheel. This sequence of outer first then inner was tremendously easier than other sequences I have used. After feeding the spokes through the appropriate holes, the nipple was just started onto the spoke threads to keep the spoke from falling out of the rim holes. You will have to move and twist the partially laced rim in reference to the hub to get some of the last spoke in without resorting to bending spokes. The same sequence of lacing was used on the side of the wheel with the longer spokes. The pattern was made easier to follow using the master four spoke marking plan discussed in the previous articles only this time before disassembly of the broken wheel I marked each type (four total) at both the hub and the spoke's rim hole. That four marked set is just repeated nine times for the total of 36 spokes. The next step is the real learned lesson. The nipples are tighten up equally to the absolute minimum tension to just keep the rim from flopping around. All truing is done at this minimal tension. If the rim needs to move in or out, left or right, the spokes are tighten on one side and loosened on the other, keeping the same level of minimal tension on all spokes. Do not use higher tension on one side to pull the rim one way or the other. All spokes must have equally low tension. Verify that equal level of tension between each and every moving of the rim. Once the wheel is true and the offset is correct start the tensioning exercise and I do mean exercise. You have to really pull to get the nipples up to 80 inch lbs. The longer wrench is absolutely necessary. I might caution that older rims and especially hubs, would be best left at 60 in lbs. The Fasst torque wrench, while expensive, leaves the question as to how much is enough tension purely academic.


Using the long spoke wrench (6 to 7 inches available from Buchanan for less than ) tighten each spoke exactly the same number of turns. Just like cylinder heads a pattern is necessary. Three revolutions around the wheel are required, since you tighten a spoke then skip two. This results in tightening of every third spoke. Work the tension of the spokes up slowly at about one revolution of the nipple for each set of three times around the wheel. It takes something like five or six set of three revolution around the wheel to get the tension to the right level, with the final determination based on the torque wrench or perhaps the twanging test. Go for High-high C. But they must be tight! The stainless Buchanan spokes and nipples will support over 2000 lbs of tension before braking or the threads stripping, according to Fasst. The tightening process can pull the wheel out of true if all the spokes didn't start at the same low minimal tightness required at the initial truing process. The final caution is to double check the offset of the rim by fitting the trued wheel to the bike before and after the spoke tightening process, checking it to some pre-wheel-tear-down measurements to the frame, forks, or swinging arm. Don't ask me how I know that is necessary!

Well, I guess even old farts can learn a thing or two. This concludes this series and I hope you have learned something from it. I did! If nothing else, some of the mystery and "secrets" of wheel lacing has been revealed and you may be able to appreciate what is involved. If frustration is not your bag then let the "man" do it. Half a C-note per wheel might be acceptable.
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Re: Truing a wire wheel - Yikes!
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2020, 11:54:51 AM »
Could you be a little more specific mate... :popcorn: :bow: :thumb:


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