" Dream Guzzi' ,how would it look

[Bobic69]

My Bellagio is pretty bloody close. Just a tad heavy. That 'Le Mans' V7 with the new 850 donk and better forks would work pretty nicely too.

[Kremmen]

I would have said MGS 01 with the Griso motor once upon a time, but my ass is still recovering from the burns I received for daring to mention it.

Hah, just finished reading that thread last week. I started in 2017 but got distracted lol.

I get the arguments you copped - there's too much lightspeed sci fi stuff around that can live up to the looks, etc, etc. Count me in your camp though. I just don't care, I'd buy an MGS-0x with *any* motor on Day 1 as long as riding it felt good. Or if it didn't. You can work on that.

Someone is doing that, basically! Get on it Huzo!https://www.guareschimoto.it/

Guareschi's stuff is niiiice. I'd have the full kit on the way already if it didn't have the exact same problem that an MGS Corsa does; you just cannot register one for the road here period, or so everyone says. 

My Bellagio is pretty bloody close. Just a tad heavy.

Picking them up is no fun, that's for sure. Yours looks great. Why the factory didn't offer variants like this is up there with the great Guzzi mysteries.

[JJ]

I suppose the reality is everyone's "DREAM GUZZI" is really the one currently sitting in one's garage!!

[Jorg66]

Guess ,true enough, ...whatever one has sitting in Garage, but with so many changes all the time ,perhaps to many Models,.... shrink it down to 4 or 5 Models  [this actually applies to any Manufacturer]  .
Interessting for me to see that most of you like the 850 to 1000cc [1200]  Range and 'Sporty'.
Overseas [Europe] seem to think the same way.

[blackcat]

You wouldn't need to de tune it for the street, its not that radical. 104 HP/L not really any more than a Daytona RS at 103 HP/L.

Ciao

Nope, it's 125.25 HP (93.4 KW) @ 8000RPM

And it has the better transmission and shorter wheelbase compared to the Daytona RS, which also makes this a better bike than any Carc version.
https://www.cyclechaos.com/wiki/Moto_Guzzi_MGS-01_Corsa

[Guzzistajohn]

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One of these would be fun! 

[lucky phil]

Nope, it's 125.25 HP (93.4 KW) @ 8000RPM

And it has the better transmission and shorter wheelbase compared to the Daytona RS, which also makes this a better bike than any Carc version.
https://www.cyclechaos.com/wiki/Moto_Guzzi_MGS-01_Corsa

You've misread my post and my figures are directly from the owners manual. Read my post again 104 Horsepower per litre
Almost exactly the same as a Daytona RS at 103 Horsepower per Litre and the question I was answering was with regards to needing de-tuning for the road, nothing else.

Ciao

[blackcat]

You've misread my post and my figures are directly from the owners manual. Read my post again 104 Horsepower per litre
Almost exactly the same as a Daytona RS at 103 Horsepower per Litre and the question I was answering was with regards to needing de-tuning for the road, nothing else.

Ciao

Maybe I'm missing something, but these are the figures from my 97 Daytona RS owners manual:


Compared to the owner's manual of the MGS/01:

[bobbyfromnc]

Okay I'll put a different spin on this topic. Develop a fixed fairing (Norge/Road Glide) for the 1400 Touring. Personally I like the 1400's, I own a 2014 Touring. I also have a 1997 Cal 1100 with carbs. My two cents.

[twowheeladdict]

Since what attracted me to Moto Guzzi was my first motorcycle, the Yamaha XS750, my dream Guzzi would be a V7III with every accessory available for the XS750 including frame mounted fairing so I could convert from my current "cafe", to a full on touring when the mood strikes. 







To be able to go from sporty to full touring with one motorcycle would be awesome!

[lucky phil]

Maybe I'm missing something, but these are the figures from my 97 Daytona RS owners manual:


Compared to the owner's manual of the MGS/01:

Well unless you want to get incredibly pedantic about it and the variant "claimed" figures from different sources and versions of manuals etc. I'll use your Daytona figures and references.
75 KW = 100.557 HP
Therefore
Datona RS 101.36 HP/L
MGS-01.....104.48 HP/L

So as I said in my original response both engines are tuned to as near as damn it, the same "state of tune" The MGS Makes its power and torque gains primarily from its extra capacity and its NON road compliant exhaust system not because it's in a higher state of tune. Therefore it would make a decent road engine without requiring de tuning.

Ciao
 

[Kremmen]

The MGS Makes its power and torque gains primarily from its extra capacity and its NON road compliant exhaust system not because it's in a higher state of tune. Therefore it would make a decent road engine without requiring de tuning.

Some of the road going European examples are up to what, 3000 kms or so at this point, just going by the ones which have been advertised for sale recently.

I got your point, 102 HP divided by 1 litre times 1.225 litres is pretty close.

As Pete has fulminated at some length though, regardless of tune, the motor doesn't exactly seem very low-maintenance. TLM currently has most of the required parts on clearance sale and I'm considering building one but I do not think it is a good idea as such.

It's just a *sexy* idea. 

Edits: man, I can't drive a forum tonight. NLM is Morini stuff, lol
More edits: good *grief*, how do I keep hitting 'quote' instead of 'modify'?! sorry

[blackcat]

"As Pete has fulminated at some length though, regardless of tune, the motor doesn't exactly seem very low-maintenance." 

That is the impression that I got from reading various accounts of the bike, not an enjoyable street bike. Unless you lived in a relatively remote area with great roads, few if any traffic lights, stop signs and dense traffic.  And then you'd end up racking up miles and within a very short time span the engine would need to be rebuilt. 

[lucky phil]

Some of the road going European examples are up to what, 3000 kms or so at this point, just going by the ones which have been advertised for sale recently.

I got your point, 102 HP divided by 1 litre times 1.225 litres is pretty close.

As Pete has fulminated at some length though, regardless of tune, the motor doesn't exactly seem very low-maintenance. TLM currently has most of the required parts on clearance sale and I'm considering building one but I do not think it is a good idea as such.

It's just a *sexy* idea. 

Edits: man, I can't drive a forum tonight. NLM is Morini stuff, lol
More edits: good *grief*, how do I keep hitting 'quote' instead of 'modify'?! sorry

I've recently fully rebuilt a Daytona/Centeuro engine from the ground up and have a future project in the pipeline for an engine with 95mm bore. I'm not really a "take it to the max" type of guy and the reasons for using 95mm I can go into at some later point. I can say that Even the Daytona engine isn't what I'd term a robust design with lifter and valve guide wear an issue. There is a fix for the guide wear and somewhat the lifters.
We all know about the cam gears and pump which has 2 options that work with the gold standard fix the Caruso gears and pump.
The MGS engine has a few upgrades over the Daytona engine as in Jackshaft delete and the cam gear now supported by ball bearings, oil squirters for the pistons and 1 out of the 3 bearings supporting the cam in each head is now a needle bearing. The rear bearing assembly is now sealed by an o ring and the breathing system and oil feed to the heads are different and there is no thermostat to the oil cooler which is bad for road use.
Building another engine esp modified to MGS specs isn't really a viable thing to do cost wise and the 1200 8 valve is a better engine but I just like an engineering project and the look of the engine.

Ciao

[lucky phil]

"As Pete has fulminated at some length though, regardless of tune, the motor doesn't exactly seem very low-maintenance." 

That is the impression that I got from reading various accounts of the bike, not an enjoyable street bike. Unless you lived in a relatively remote area with great roads, few if any traffic lights, stop signs and dense traffic.  And then you'd end up racking up miles and within a very short time span the engine would need to be rebuilt.

Not sure, Paul Minnaerts engine has a few miles on it now I believe and its basically a MGS-01 engine without the enhancements like needle bearing cams, and jackshaft ball bearings and piston squirters which wont hurt the longevity. The head component upgrades are the most critical to getting some decent road miles out of the engine. The V11 derived chain drive for the jackshaft and oil pump are pretty reliable so all in all as a Sunday ride bike you should expect some decent mileage out of it. racing is another thing though.

Ciao