Triumph shows new 400cc bikes

[steven c]

Pretty cool.
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/triumph-debuts-single-powered-speed-400-and-scrambler-400-x?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=boosted-posts%7Ctpfn-content-organic&utm_content=common-tread-organic&utm_term=triumph-debuts-single-powered-speed-400-and-scrambler-400-x-062723-%7Ctpfn-organic&fbclid=IwAR1xiFM9btGGQDrR5RBb0qpr_cBZopzXM9cgiyn7afmYMrchMNDCuQUPZiI

[kballowe]

Harley is also marketing their 440 Indian-manufactured motorcycle.
I don't know if it'll come to the USA.

https://www.hdforums.com/how-tos/slideshows/harley-s-brand-new-entry-level-sportster-breaks-cover-924580#

[fotoguzzi]

Looks like a RE

[JJ]

There is something to be said for a road motorcycle under 400 pounds!  

The big question is, with slightly less than 40 HP, will it cruise comfortably on the "Super-Slab" at 75 mph? 

6-speeds helps...and then of course, there is the vibration issue from a single...(??)

[bad Chad]

40 hp, and 28 ft torque are pretty big numbers for a 375 pound curb weight single!   If priced low enough, could be another good seller for Triumph.

[twowheeladdict]

There is something to be said for a road motorcycle under 400 pounds!  

The big question is, with slightly less than 40 HP, will it cruise comfortably on the "Super-Slab" at 75 mph? 

6-speeds helps...and then of course, there is the vibration issue from a single...(??)

Many if not most 6 speed transmission bikes reach their top speed in 5th gear.

My 24hp KLX300SM weighs 300 lbs and can do a true 80 mph on level terrain. I would think the 400 could do better, but that is not the intent of the bike. Even the V85TT is working hard at sustained 75 mph compared to liter and larger bikes. If I were riding 75 mph all the time I wouldn't choose a middle or low powered motorcycle for that.

Today's counterbalance in singles is pretty amazing and all the ones I have are as smooth as the inline 4 bikes out there.

I really like the 400x but price for performance will determine if I eventually get one. It is the same weight as an FZ07 (MT07) with a little more than 1/2 the HP. 

[JJ]

Many if not most 6 speed transmission bikes reach their top speed in 5th gear.

My 24hp KLX300SM weighs 300 lbs and can do a true 80 mph on level terrain. I would think the 400 could do better, but that is not the intent of the bike. Even the V85TT is working hard at sustained 75 mph compared to liter and larger bikes. If I were riding 75 mph all the time I wouldn't choose a middle or low powered motorcycle for that.

Today's counterbalance in singles is pretty amazing and all the ones I have are as smooth as the inline 4 bikes out there.

I really like the 400x but price for performance will determine if I eventually get one. It is the same weight as an FZ07 (MT07) with a little more than 1/2 the HP.

I have a long standing debate with a riding buddy who says he won't ride any motorcycle with less than 80 HP.

Of course, he is also a total "Speed Demon" and tends to blast past cars / trucks when he should just be enjoying the scenery...

I think a 400cc bike, like the Royal Enfield Himalayan / Scram 411 Kawasaki Verys 300, etc. would be fun for around town, but a 650cc or 850cc bike would be much better for a long trip involving any freeway...just MHO....

[bad Chad]

Right you are, but these bikes aren't amid at people planing on riding all day on the slab.  I'm sure, without question they can do it, my uncle road his KZ 400 half way across the country and back on the slab, without issue and that was 40 years ago.

[s1120]

There is something to be said for a road motorcycle under 400 pounds!  

The big question is, with slightly less than 40 HP, will it cruise comfortably on the "Super-Slab" at 75 mph? 

6-speeds helps...and then of course, there is the vibration issue from a single...(??)

I think a lot comes down to where you ride. Ive gone years without hitting the highways on a bike. I daily rode a 77 rd400 for most of the 90's and while the highway wasn't it natural home it could be a blast opening her up, and letting her scream for the few times I was on the big road. Would it be a bike I would get if that was my normal riding trips? No way.. 

[9fingers]

They certainly look great and will no doubt be well finished, at least the ones built in Thailand. The Scrambler model could be converted to an excellent ADV bike for shorter riders.....not a rough trail bike but great for dirt roads.

[chuck peterson]

Well ddaaaaammmmmnnnn…not to many new bikes make me think of selling a few, but these do…!

Thanks Steve!

[faffi]

Well ddaaaaammmmmnnnn…not to many new bikes make me think of selling a few, but these do…!

Thanks Steve!

Ditto.

Honda also has a very nice air cooled 350 single. Unfortunately, it only has half the power of the Triumph 400. https://www.hondabigwing.in/cb350rs

[kballowe]

Meh.  I think there will be a market for those smaller bikes. How much of a market is anyone's guess.

We have this Royal Enfield Meteor 350.  I think it's optimistic to say 20 horsepower - but that's what Royal Enfield says.
It'll run 60 mph all day on the back roads.  After that, it's a stretch.

Great for loading up on a pickup truck hitch carrier and hauling to wherever

[twowheeladdict]

Right you are, but these bikes aren't amid at people planing on riding all day on the slab.  I'm sure, without question they can do it, my uncle road his KZ 400 half way across the country and back on the slab, without issue and that was 40 years ago.

Wasn't the national speed limit 55 mph 40 years ago?    A little easier on the smaller displacement bikes. 

[DaSwami]

As a former RE Classic 350 owner, I am leery of India-made bikes.  Plus it is water cooled, so a no go for me.

Looks nice and nice spec sheet, but I was done with Triumph when they moved wholesale to liquid cooled

[bad Chad]

Wasn't the national speed limit 55 mph 40 years ago?    A little easier on the smaller displacement bikes.

That's a fair point.   But even today, you can run 70 , and sure your going to get continually passed, but if that's ok with a rider so be it.  40Hp should make these bikes easily cruise-able at 80, might be buzzy, but that's plenty of power to do it.   Anyway, most of us have bikes with more power than that, and still prefer to stay off the slabs when possible.

[Shorty]

Meh.  I think there will be a market for those smaller bikes. How much of a market is anyone's guess.

"Great for loading up on a pickup truck hitch carrier and hauling to wherever"

Yes. Haul it to the good bike roads, and enjoy your second childhood on a "beginner bike." 

 

[PeteS]

There is something to be said for a road motorcycle under 400 pounds!  

The big question is, with slightly less than 40 HP, will it cruise comfortably on the "Super-Slab" at 75 mph? 

6-speeds helps...and then of course, there is the vibration issue from a single...(??)

A KLR makes 34-35 HP and 75 is about max for steady cruising. If Triumph made a 650 adventure that made 55-60 HP I would be interested.

Pete

[tommy2cyl]

The Triumph 400 X Scrambler and the new 2024 Husqvarna Svartpilen that is coming next year have my interest.  I also think the new 450 water
cooled RE Himalyan will be worth a look.  I like the trend of making small bikes with decent quality components. 

[bigbikerrick]

I like the Triumphs much better that the harleys.
Rick.

[twowheeladdict]

That's a fair point.   But even today, you can run 70 , and sure your going to get continually passed, but if that's ok with a rider so be it.  40Hp should make these bikes easily cruise-able at 80, might be buzzy, but that's plenty of power to do it.   Anyway, most of us have bikes with more power than that, and still prefer to stay off the slabs when possible.

I don’t like being on the slab even in my truck pulling my trailer. I see it as a sometimes necessary drudgery because of limited time.   Too many people on the interstates.

[faffi]

Highways are great if you just want to go from A to B quickly (in a car, preferably) if they are not congested. On a motorcycle, I want scenery and curves. Lots of curves. Preferably no straight bits of asphalt at all, if possible.

[faffi]

That's a fair point.   But even today, you can run 70 , and sure your going to get continually passed, but if that's ok with a rider so be it.  40Hp should make these bikes easily cruise-able at 80, might be buzzy, but that's plenty of power to do it.   Anyway, most of us have bikes with more power than that, and still prefer to stay off the slabs when possible.

Agree on both accounts. Back when, Germany had insurance levels set at 10, 17, 27, 50 and 100 hp. The gaps were huge, and insuring a 100 hp motorcycles was about 25% that of the sticker price. Hence the 27 hp class, which much more reasonable rates, was very popular. A lot of bikes could be had in restricted form, like the CX500, KZ440, GS450, SR500. People would ride these bikes on vacations throughout Europe, carrying passengers and luggage. And still have fun. So 40 hp is plenty, but more demanding than having 100 hp or more in some conditions. Like passing an 18-wheeler uphill facing a gale carrying passenger and luggage for 3 weeks on the road.

[Roebling3]

Most any 200cc 2 stroke twin can cover that problem - and weigh less than 300#. Just stay out of close cropped mountains - or gear it better.
The 350, 400 & 500 never show their age and miles, plus; Two 125cc's handle so well you feel like a kid again. -especially when that guy mowing his lawn hears you coming and you see him vigorously punching the sky with both fists.   R3~
BTW: The oils are much better. 'No smoke no more'













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[Canuck750]

The bikes look nice, good for Triumph for bringing these to market, I hope they sell, we need more small displacement motorcycles.

[Moparnut72]

When I lived in Connecticut I had 1958 BMW R50/2. It had a grand total of 26 hp. It was fine for riding the secondary roads in New England. But then I wound up in Colorado where the 26 hp was totally inadequate. I took delivery of  R75/5 as soon as the first one became available. Much better. So the new Triumph probably won't be the best out in mountainous and wide open west but should do well with limitations.
kk

[Seventy One]

I think this bikes marginal power would be the least of my concerns.

After buying a new Triumph in 2013, my primary concerns with this bike would be whether or not it came with all its piston rings correctly installed, whether or not the dealer will actually honor the warranty (or bother to inform Triumph when I did encounter issues), parts availability, reliability, whether or not the paint was going to slide off and what potential re-sale value it may have.


Looking back on my past experience with Triumph, I'd much rather spend my money on a used Versys 650 and have a good bike rather than risk my cash on something which, at best, only looks good.