Author Topic: Do you know of another Italian made two-wheeler with Linked Brakes?  (Read 8434 times)

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In addition to former Moto Guzzi tradition, the Honda SH150i scooter. It was designed and manufactured by Honda of Italy and sold in the U.S. during 2010. According to the company, during its day, it was "the best-selling scooter in Italy." Which says a lot, considering Piaggio's homecourt presence.

MOTORCYCLIST described the braking system as follows. "The front wheel carries a single 220mm disc that's pinched by a twin-piston caliper. The rear hub holds a standard drum brake that's linked to the front via Honda's COMBINED BRAKING SYSTEM (CBS). Pulling the left-hand brake lever applies the rear brake and also routes some pressure to the front for improved braking performance. [Simultaneous application of both the drum brake arm and the disc brake's hydraulic piston is done via a mechanical crossover wire connected to the left-hand lever for more balanced stopping power.]  Pulling the right-hand lever does not activate the rear brake."

Since 1983, Honda's been using a more sophisticated Combined Braking System on such machines as the Gold Wing and CBR 1100XX Blackbird. But they weren't manufactured in Italy. SH150i production began in 2001 and is still going. 

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I don't know about that Honda system but, I have a 1937 Rudge in my shop with cable operated linked drum brakes
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That Honda SH150i is a great machine, there was a guy who completed the 2023 Scooter Cannonball event on one, coast-to-coast in 8 days, though he also rode it to the starting line.
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Piaggio has had quite a few Vespa scooters with linked brakes, I suspect some Aprilia ones have had it too as EU regulations imposed a requirement of combined braking or ABS on sub-125cc 2-wheelers.
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Both levers at the bar are connected to front and rear brakes, one more pronounced on the front

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As I remember there is a patent on the Guzzi Integral Braking system with the number printed in service manual. Honda's is different somehow.
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Outside of Italian bikes, the Rudge Ulster had combined brakes in the 1930s. Wonder if any others had it earlier.
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Quite frankly, the front lever activated linked brakes makes more sense than the Guzzi foot operated linked brakes.
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Quite frankly, the front lever activated linked brakes makes more sense than the Guzzi foot operated linked brakes.

I have seen data implying they when riders panic, they often stomp the brake pedal with their foot and freeze their hand on the handlebar, so not applying the front brake lever at all. Using the brake pedal to also give a bit of front brake makes sense in that situation.
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I have seen data implying they when riders panic, they often stomp the brake pedal with their foot and freeze their hand on the handlebar, so not applying the front brake lever at all. Using the brake pedal to also give a bit of front brake makes sense in that situation.

I can apply more pressure with my foot to brake then with my hand
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