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Right hand switch and throttle replacement
« on: May 13, 2015, 12:28:32 AM »
Hopefully this is helpful to someone here.

I have had early '80s switch gear and twist grip on both Guzzis.  After fighting with the goofy twist grip cable assembly, one of the wire connecters to starter switch broke.   :P  I resoldered it, but it was a bodge so had to be replaced.  This is on an 81 Monza, but other early '80s Guzzis are probably similar.

K&S makes a nice starter-kill switch so got that:  http://www.thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_tonti_handlebar_switch_-_k_s_12-0203.html
but the OEM part is one piece - integral with the twist grip - so had to find a dual cable throttle that would work and look OK.   

Original one-piece switch and throttle:


I could find, nice, expensive Italian thottles but they are all over 100 clams so found an Emgo 44-29474B that was cheap (Guzzi content) and looked OK, but has some issues (see below):
http://www.emgo.com/images/pdf/2014%20EMGO%20Controls-ebook.pdf



Simplest was installing the new switch.  Test fit switch and twist grip:



Pull 4 pin Molex under tank:


Cut off the plug ends of the K&S switch and soldered on new Molex connectors (available at a well-stock hardware store) so that the new K&S switch now has the correct connector.


The order of the wires is marked:


Drill hole for locating pin:


Starter and coil connections can be checked just by plugging in the new switch and hitting the starter - its grounded through the wiring.

The PITA was the twist grip.  It has a throttle stop for wide-open, but none for closed throttle.  Carb springs will return the throttle, but the twist grip will turn another 1/4 turn past the point where the cables enter the twist grip.  This seemed likely to dislodge the cables.  The fix was to drill a 1/16" hole through the lower section of the barrel and drive a small nail in to make a stop.


The other issue was that the cable ends are slightly too big to fit through the ferrules.  A little filing on the edges took care of that.


The new twist grip and switch installed:


There are 2 things I don't like about the Emgo throttle: no closed throttle stop, and both the open throttle stop and the throttle friction adjuster screws stick out in such a way that they seem likely to tear flesh in the event of an "excursion". However, throttle cable balance is much better.  Throttle cables are firmly held in the Emgo twist grip (they are loosely located in the original) and throttle cable synchronizing easier and more consistent.  Consequently carb synchronization has been more precise.

The transformation has been dramatic:  The bike starts quicker with the new switch despite the fact that the starter relay mod has been done for years and my immediate impression was that it felt smoother and stronger.  I celebrated with a 100 mile ride.  ;D



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Re: Right hand switch and throttle replacement
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2015, 06:54:57 AM »
Thanks. I went through this process on my V50III. I used the same switch and a Tarozzi throttle. The bike developed an odd problem immediately after this install- it will not hold idle, yet runs down to very low rpm and dies. I have no idea what is going on. Does it have to do with the lack of a stop?
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Re: Right hand switch and throttle replacement
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2015, 08:04:57 AM »
It could be.  When I had a Triumph dealer sync my carbs one time they reset the idle using the throttle cable adjustments.

I did the same switch thing this year.  I also had to get a new brake mc (thanks to Charlie).  I love my Thomaselli throttle.  It does have a nice low and high throttle stops.  I also added cable adjusters at the throttle end as well as the carb end.
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Re: Right hand switch and throttle replacement
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2015, 08:55:19 AM »
You can buy an original style throttle switch assembly for under $100:
http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=131&products_id=4603

Also, the price of the Tommaselli 2C has dropped quite a bit recently, presently only $58:
http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=131&products_id=739
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Re: Right hand switch and throttle replacement
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2015, 10:37:22 PM »
Also, the price of the Tommaselli 2C has dropped quite a bit recently, presently only $58:
http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=131&products_id=739

Wow, didn't know you could get a new original throttle assembly, but it is such a PITA to get the cables into and the connections so fragile I'd only do it for a restoration. 

That Tommaselli is nice!  It's about $30 more than the Emgo unit but I'll spring for it when the LM switch goes. 
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Re: Right hand switch and throttle replacement
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2015, 07:06:48 AM »
You can buy an original style throttle switch assembly for under $100:
http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=131&products_id=4603

Also, the price of the Tommaselli 2C has dropped quite a bit recently, presently only $58:
http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=131&products_id=739

Ooh, quarter turn throttle, Cheap. Thanks for that, Charlie.. the Lario needs someone with a double jointed wrist to open the throttle in one twist.  ;D
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Re: Right hand switch and throttle replacement
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2015, 07:21:01 AM »
ROFLMAO

Yeah, the T5's original throttle was almost 180 deg.  Learned why they used to say, 'grabbed a double handful' of throttle.  Crank it up, shift grip, crank it again.

Thomaselli made me feel like I added 20hp to the engine.

Oh, and it is soooo much easier to install and adjust the throttle cables.
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Re: Right hand switch and throttle replacement
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2015, 07:33:30 AM »
ROFLMAO

Yeah, the T5's original throttle was almost 180 deg.  Learned why they used to say, 'grabbed a double handful' of throttle.  Crank it up, shift grip, crank it again.

Thomaselli made me feel like I added 20hp to the engine.

Oh, and it is soooo much easier to install and adjust the throttle cables.


Seeing how nothing is free, I *assume* that makes the throttle pull pretty heavy?
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