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Offline Dilliw

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Re: Crash on Interstate
« Reply #60 on: May 15, 2016, 10:58:22 AM »
Stephen has been riding that same EVT for a long time and I'm sure it wasn't a technique issue.  You can grab a handful of that front lever on the EVT and the usual consequence is that you don't have enough stopping power.  This time it obviously had too much.  Looking at that picture of the RH side above if you do a closeup of the rotor it looks like there's a black mark on it and I'm wondering if he got a piece of debris or something in there just as he squeezed. 

I dug out the mirrors so I'll get them down to him.


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Re: Crash on Interstate
« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2016, 11:57:36 AM »
For a floorboard set up, one of Honda's systems in which (I recall) the front lever operated the rear disk and one front disk, would be better. This might not be too difficult a change to make on your bike, if you can source the appropriate master cylinders. Maybe you are considering this?

Well no, I hadn't considered that. But given that for all intents and purposes nearly all stopping comes  from the front end and considering what would have to be done to achieve the suggested set up I doubt I would do that.

What I have been thinking about, and I grant freely that I'll have to think about it quite a lot more, is converting the front right disk set up (the handlebar operated one) to the specks of the same year EVs that had a single front disk.

The rational being that they were meant to operate on their own on the front and would have sufficient braking power to do it.

This would mean that the right hand would achieve its expected results without applying the foot brake at all, buy me time, and that the foot brake would help matters along once applied.

It would also be a lot simpler and cheaper  than delinking.

The only flaw I can see in this idea to date, is that in total my front brakes could well be much too powerful, with one full steam front brake on the right and another 1/2 steam one on the left being applied at once.

This might not be as bad as it sounds in practice though as I, as I'm sure you have, have long learned to treat the back brake with a great deal of caution, especially under heavy braking. 

This is of course because as the weight moves forward to the front wheel the available traction at the rear reduces considerably. It then slides at the drop of a hat. (and yes, I know ABS would fix that, but I don't have it.)

As a result, through another of those long ingrained habits, I tend to stab the back brake peddle somewhat gingerly under heavy emergency braking. I use it more as a steadying brake and rely on the front for real stopping.

As an example, my last bike had a powerful front brake and a pretty useless back one. It was however built in a time when tires were narrower than they tend  to be these days (it had 19" wheels). None the less, given a rough chip road surface in good condition it could lift the back wheel nearly a foot off the ground under emergency braking. Not much traction for the rear brake then! In fact it may as well not been fitted! 

(I would add that it did this  with absolutely no encouragement from me. Intentional "Stoppies" were unknown at the time and would have been considered a very stupid thing to do)

If I do get around to making this brake mod it will carefully tested. It will depend a great deal on the feedback and feel of the brake and I just might have to drop the hydraulic pressure a little in the right front, but that is a relatively easy thing to do.

There are however a great many higher priority items on the bike to spend money I don't have on before that reaches the top of the list.

I also think we may have strayed far from the OPs post and intent.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2016, 12:00:41 PM by johnr »
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Re: Crash on Interstate
« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2016, 12:20:44 PM »
Very glad you are OK! Another testament to wearing our gear. Thank goodness there wasn't a semi barreling down behind you! Continue to mend, and hop back on and enjoy life :cool:

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Re: Crash on Interstate
« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2016, 01:06:36 PM »
The rear end of my 98 EV began passing me and my wife as the bike slowly low sided when I grabbed too much from brake in a.panic situation.

Photos revealed that I was on a painted arrow when the front wheel locked and the bike spilled us onto the road. The bike faired better than we did.

We had all the gear on. My wife suffered a cracked bone in her wrist. I suffered a banged up knee and a sore ankle from the Guzzi taking a short ride on it.

Sue's  gear survived. My helmet took a whack on the back, my riding pants are missing some material at the knee and my boots are missing some shiny leather from the toe area.

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Re: Crash on Interstate
« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2016, 11:02:51 PM »

I dug out the mirrors so I'll get them down to him.

You're a good man George.  Thanks.

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Re: Crash on Interstate
« Reply #65 on: May 16, 2016, 08:54:10 AM »
kentktk, this is'nt a simple pol so that won't do. You need reasons behind such an opinion.

At this point of time I am not convinced that the wheel did lock up, or if it did, that it was not caused by something physical (rather than over braking) which would have rendered ABS null and void.

We'll just have to wait and see what the OP comes up with in his postmortem.

I am not however dissing the effectiveness of ABS, it's the kind of thing that I would not mind having but don't feel sufficient need to fit it.
I'm an ABS fan but am not yet convinced that it would have prevented this particular wash out.  Holy cow, so glad that once your ribs heal you'll be ok.  Great job with the ATGATT.
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Re: Crash on Interstate
« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2016, 09:14:08 AM »
Agreed, this is a bit of a problem, though I've found I can adapt to using different systems better than I first expected. In my case, with only two bikes, my preference would be to link the brakes on my Griso, rather than de-link the ones on my T3. Maybe someday.

I definitely prefer the everyday riding experience of the linked brake system.

Floorboards *would* be different. I don't like them, Sam I am.. :) for that very reason of having to pick up your foot to apply the brakes. I pretend the brakes aren't linked, and always start to slow down with the front brake, followed by coordinating the rear. The linked brakes just give a much more powerful coordinated brake application. You *can* get lazy, though, and use the rear brake all the time. This will give you grief getting on the Mighty Scura.. :) so I don't do that..
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Re: Crash on Interstate
« Reply #67 on: May 16, 2016, 12:01:39 PM »
In my case, with only two bikes, my preference would be to link the brakes on my Griso, rather than de-link the ones on my T3. Maybe someday.

I definitely prefer the everyday riding experience of the linked brake system.

Same here.  I'm getting better with my G11 during panic stops but I still have problems with locking the back wheel.  I don't think it's a matter of control after decades of soccer, some taekwondo and generally using my feet because I don't want to lean over or pick up stuff chubby mans long reach.  I think is more a matter of my 260 lbs geared up pressing down on the little brake lever.

Maybe I need to get a bigger master cylinder to increase the effort on my rear brake.

I would prefer linked to be able to use more of my brute leg force and less of my finer control hand strength.

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Photos revealed that I was on a painted arrow when the front wheel locked and the bike spilled us onto the road. The bike faired better than we did.

I hate those damn Thermoplastic Arrows!  The Engineer that designed those accidents waiting to happen should be horsewhipped.  Whenever I see them I figure the arrows are just hidden oil pools waiting for the unsuspecting 2-wheeler.

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Re: Crash on Interstate
« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2016, 06:22:55 PM »
kentktk, this is'nt a simple pol so that won't do. You need reasons behind such an opinion.



I am not however dissing the effectiveness of ABS, it's the kind of thing that I would not mind having but don't feel sufficient need to fit it.

You will only need it when you need it and then it`s too late.


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