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The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« on: June 12, 2016, 06:45:43 PM »




Howdy all

I've been lurking around the edges of the wildguzzi site for quite awhile now - asked a few questions but never properly said hello.
Here's a bit of my tale / I don't usually write this much on forums. I suppose in a way this is my attempt at a thanks thanks for being out there in the Internet sharing your knowledge.

**** there are actually a few questions I could use some help with at the end if you want to skip past my personal story! *****

A few years ago I started the hunt for a Moto Guzzi. I secretly lusted after my mechanic friend's original V7 sport that lives in his personal MG museum.  I love that bike but what I really wanted was a modernish version that looked old and ran like a new bike!

Thinking back it must have been a few years before the new V7's came out - because that probably would've made a lot of sense if I had started the quest now.  So not knowing anything I ran into Guzziscoot's bike on the the WG site and realized that with some tweaking a Jackal could look like a whole different bike.

This seemed to be the right way to go for me and I jumped in head first.  A member here - Steve in NC sold me his bike and I rode it for a while as Italy intended it.  Being long legged I never quite got used to the seat- in fact it pained me greatly!  So I acquired the requisite parts and proceeded to get really busy with life and work...  Much time passed and then when I moved into my new shop I made a little spot for a lift and some tools so I could finally get this project going.

Although I've been around bikes awhile now - I'm still learning (a lot!) - so bear with me!

Enter my project Jackal / Lemans

I've always THOUGHT about customizing a bike but never felt up to the task.

Taking apart a perfectly good working bike was a big step for me.  I steadied my nerves and started making non-reversible changes to the frame.  Yikes that first cut was terrifying and liberating all at once!

A big thanks to Alex V. - aka Hoss here on the site.  His Jackal conversion was a big reason I felt like I could do the job.  And he has been a kind and valuable resource for a guy across the internet asking lots of inane questions over the course of several years.

It HAS taken me several years to get the project to the stage it's at.  I don't get a lot of free time so I'd chip away when I could.  Figuring out the little bits that are specific to each bike I'm trying to cobble together has been the hardest part for me.
But like everyone who has done this before me has said - making the first cut is really the biggest obstacle.  I'd say if I can do this project - surely anyone with a little bit of tool knowledge and some determination can also make it happen.  Most of the correct tabs and mounts still live on the bike. That's crazy to me but totally awesome.  It is almost a kit bike with some slight modifications here and there.

This week I got the bike running again after several years!  It was a great feeling...hampered only by a weak battery (now fixed!)

Looking at the pics you can tell I still need to do some work and have a few decisions to make.  After wondering for so long if these changes would make the bike comfortable here's what I can say on day 1.

The Lemans seat is WAAAAY better for me personally.  I could probably use another inch of height but it rides so much better than the jackal low seat did. I can also scoot back if I need too +1000!
I love the tank shape.  My favorite motorcycle tank of all time - glad to look at on my bike.  One day I'll need to address the 2 inlet situation - maybe add a bung for a return and the fuel gauge.  It seems like everyone else has been okay running one fuel line and one return.  As long as I pay attention to my gas level I think that I 'll be okay.
I still need to permanently attach the side covers but that seems like a fairly straight forward task once I get some steel to fab into the correct tabs.

My original intent was to make a Lemans clone. (well as close as this frame would allow)  Right now I'm as far as I know how to get. 

************* Q's *********************

Two things I haven't been able to source for that plan.  A front fender (MG classics no longer stocks the fiberglass replica) and rearsets...

Rear sets.  I think I'd like that riding position.  So far I haven't been able to 100% determine the correct version of the Tarrazzi rear sets to buy or lower frame rails or....????

And the Fender - I know the Metal and maybe the Aluminum Sport had the shorter fender - I can't find one -  does anyone have one or know someone who does?  I'd be very appreciative! Promise.  From my internet sleuthing it seems like the Bellagio might have used that fender too?  I have no idea how to get one of those though. 
I've thought about chopping my fender  (averse to this if idea) or finding someone to make one for me (not sure who that might be)

Until I can source those parts though I'm all about riding. I'm thinking I might paint my Jackal fender Black to match the side panels I have.  With the front fender and the floor boards  I've been referring to it as the Moto Cruzzi. (inspired by Craigo's Geezer Guzzi build of a similar ilk.)!
The ultimate goal is to see that through but this other look is starting to grow on me too. 

I would love to figure out a plan for my panniers as well.  I have a set of the National bags with mounts. I think they might look a little funny now - Might use the frame and mount something else
How are those Thermos Saddle bags?

Also I suppose now have a clean silver jackal tank, rear fender - with lights, some side covers (one is cracked), a seat and possibly a front fender if anyone is looking.

Lastly
I need to get all the maintenance squared away - is there a good resource for what a semi handy guy with access to a moto-shop of tools needs to know to do the basic services?

Epilogue

I'm looking forward to riding this thing!  On my brief test ride - it felt great.  I see many trips in my future.  We have a lot of new amazing choices in the moto guzzi universe that maybe make this build out a little more of an odd choice now.  But for me it has been a great learning experience and I'm on the path to my own personal vision for a machine.  Thanks to everyone who keeps on posting cool stuff that gives the rest of us ideas.   Hopefully I'll have some tales to tell soon.  if I can help anyone else out - please let me know!


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« Last Edit: June 12, 2016, 11:09:15 PM by nashopolis »

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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2016, 06:58:14 PM »
Looking good. Thought about going that direction with my old Jackal a couple of times.

So sorry the fiberglass fender is no longer available. I installed that on mine and really liked it.

I'm sure you could actually chop your fender if you took your time. You might also buy something off the shelf drill/mount it to the OEM fender mount.

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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2016, 10:18:28 PM »
Might check some Harley accessory catalogue or cafe racer parts for a front fender.

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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2016, 04:28:18 AM »
I think you've done a great job, one of the better looking modern tonti conversions I've seen...  grey, black and red works for me... I see no reason to paint or chop the front fender,  those big ones work great in the rain...

well done, I think it oozes charm, reminds me of the original v7 sport as well...

its not perfect, not precious, love it!

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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2016, 10:26:38 AM »
I concur with Lazlo. The front fender is well designed to protect the rider. I put the small front on my Jackal and get covered in mud from the kneecaps down on dirt roads.
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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2016, 11:30:30 AM »
 Very nice. I have read folks using a Sportster front fender.
 Do you have any photos on how the fender and seat attached? I have a Cal 2 I would like to put a Convert rear fender on.
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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2016, 11:50:01 AM »
thanks all for the kind words and the tips! 

I thought I wouldn't like the larger fender on the bike but it actually has been growing on me and as you say looking back it seems like there is sort of precedent for it on the V700...even the silver paint.

Keep the suggestions coming - I'd love to try a "sportier" look maybe just because i'm obstinate though. 
Anyone ever use the thermos panniers?  I think they might look nice with this setup.

Anyone have tips on how to do some mid controls or rearsets?

Am I crazy to worry about burning my knees on the cylinder heads?

StevenC the fender attaches to some preexisting welded on bungs - this seat hinges from the back - the fender attaches to the seat and tightens down on some also preexisting notches on the frame.
It's like Moto Guzzi was waiting for me to do this!
I'll take a pic of it when i get a second. 
« Last Edit: June 13, 2016, 11:51:37 AM by nashopolis »

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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2016, 02:31:32 PM »
If you're worried about burning your legs (wrong worry -- be more afraid of hitting a pothole and knocking your kneecaps off), there are rubber-covered boot guards that are made to attach at the carb mounts.  They sit between your knee and the valve cover.  They are only supported on one end, so they have a little 'give' when they slap you.

I've had loop, jackal, and EV fenders on my Convert, mostly on account of I think the oem convert fenders are ugly as sin.  They can all be made to fit.  My favorite look was the loop fenders followed by EV (which is what it wears currently).  To get around the fender stay differences I use turnbuckles as braces and tweak them to center and stiffen the fender.

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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2016, 03:52:02 PM »
Its possible Clubman Racing has a fender you might like. http://www.clubmanracing.com/fendersandmounts.php   You'll have to measure and give them a call, very nice to deal with them.
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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2016, 04:30:51 PM »
just to be pedantic and clear, I did of course mean the original v700 in my earlier post, not the v7 sport...!

looking at it again, I still really love the look of your bike nashopolis, well done!

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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2016, 07:23:13 PM »
No worries I caught your drift!  - thanks again - I still gotta say knowing the detail and finish on other folk's customs  this is still a 35 footer and or a work in progress.


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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2016, 09:41:20 PM »
Looking good there Nashopolis! And thanks for the mention in the O.P. I've seen quite a few Jackal conversions here lately and it gives me the itch to try another. Regrettably the one I had built was crashed by the new owner's daughter. I'm not sure if he ever got it back on the road.  Good luck with the project, I'll keep an eye out for a front fender for you.
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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2016, 11:05:31 PM »
You bet Scoot -  I definitely studied your thread on your conversion like it was required reading.

I wanted to buy your bike but didn't have the dough at the time - sorry to hear of its demise.
I feel like if I did this again I might use a t3 tank and seat / that would keep the cost down for sure.

It has been fun / looking forward to riding it! 

I know you tried lots of foot positions and lower rails on your bike - did you keep any of that stuff?

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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2016, 12:30:23 AM »
Nice build,

I think one of the big attractions of the Big Block guzzi, is the LEGO likeness of being able to use parts from all kinds of models and then fuse all the parts together to a motorcycle you like yourself. It is a bit like a kit motorcycle where you can pick and choose the parts you like :grin:

On my project of rebuilding a 850T5 I also searched for an aluminium sport or a bellagio fender. I found one at Harpers to around 65-70$ so I ordered that one. Turned out to be backordered and when they where able to source one again the price had changed to 350$. Safe to say I decided to live without a original MG fender.

I ended up buying a aluminium fender from Louis.de in Germany and made a special bracket for the fender. You can see pictures in my build thread :grin:
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=81135.0

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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2016, 12:51:32 PM »

Try Glass from the Past for fenders

http://gftpstore.com/Other-Products_c10.htm

Very nice build. Looks like you used real V7 Sport gas tank, rear fender and seat or repops.

I bought a EV last summer that I hope to do the same with.

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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2016, 05:51:45 PM »
Price is right.. 5 hunnerd might buy it.
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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2016, 06:26:50 PM »
wow - somebody love that bike -

Ulrick you are just what I'm talking about!  Nice work

Yep all original pieces on the bike Airone!  So far

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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2016, 06:35:07 PM »
Anybody have suggestions about rearsets or even mid control pegs?

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Re: The meandering tale of my jackal conversion
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2016, 08:09:43 PM »
You bet Scoot -  I definitely studied your thread on your conversion like it was required reading.

I wanted to buy your bike but didn't have the dough at the time - sorry to hear of its demise.
I feel like if I did this again I might use a t3 tank and seat / that would keep the cost down for sure.

It has been fun / looking forward to riding it! 

I know you tried lots of foot positions and lower rails on your bike - did you keep any of that stuff?

I think I tried every foot control option out there. Ironically, the original Jackal setup would have probably been the best fit for me with the new seat. By the time I had that figured out, it was too late. I may still have some stuff but it's scattered across a couple states. We are in the process of moving to Arkansas and I've been hauling bit by bit each time we go. I'll be heading there this weekend, so I'll take a look. I'm bringing up the old T this trip so she'll be in her new home in a few days. Maybe the new shop will be inspiration to finish her up. What, it's only been eight years!


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