Harley help?

[leafman60]

What did he do to it to keep it from dragging parts in the curves?

As I said, suspension upgrade. Jack it up about 2 inches with premium shocks and fork cartridges.

My Super Glide has Ohlins suspension and will run with any European bike that I have.

Even the latest models H-D Touring bikes don't do too badly in stock form. It's all about what the customer wants.

[Kev m]

What did he do to it to keep it from dragging parts in the curves?

Well, he did say he has an upgraded suspension. I mean even the stock non-lowered ultras can lean about 32 degrees, so I imagine raising it a little would buy you a bit more.

That said, sounds like it was on the street, so at the end of the day rider skill (body shifting, picking the proper line etc.) probably played an important part.

[Shorty]

The advantage of Ebay is a nation wide audience. Works well with semi-rare bikes that are not available everywhere.  This guy is trying to sell a 10 year old, mildly modified Harley.....in Milwaukee . -

[oldbike54]

The advantage of Ebay is a nation wide audience. Works well with semi-rare bikes that are not available everywhere.  This guy is trying to sell a 10 year old, mildly modified Harley.....in Milwaukee . -

 Probably better there than Menomonee Falls 

 Dusty

[Cool Runnings]

ditto

Again, some people labor under misinformation and old ideas about H-D's.

A good friend has big CVO Ultra Touring bike and he recently installed the H-D 117 kit.  These big bore kits are very reasonably priced. Another mutual riding friend has a late model BMW 1600GTL 6-cylinder.  The Harley will walk away from the BMW under acceleration.

Oh and by the way, he also has upgraded suspension on the big H-D and you better be really on your game if you try to stick with him on a curvy road! We had a Norge (!) rider trashed on a curve in NC trying to stay up with the H-D.

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2013 Harley-Davidson CVO Road Glide 3.7 12.49 sec. @ 104.83 mph 107 bhp 824 lb

2010 Moto Guzzi Stelvio ABS 3.91 11.94 sec. @ 111.2 mph 104 bhp 612 lb(wet) 

[Farmer Dan]

Harley made the mistake of increasing production now you can find a new or used one anywhere.  People are starting to realize there are better bikes available at a better price.  14K for a 10 year old bike!  I could buy a brand new and better bike for that.

[Triple Jim]

I follow you leafman60 and Kev m.  I guess sufficient cornering clearance is subjective.

[Cool Runnings]

Harley made the mistake of increasing production now you can find a new or used one anywhere.  People are starting to realize there are better bikes available at a better price.  14K for a 10 year old bike!  I could buy a brand new and better bike for that.

The new Harley motors are designed to last around 35k before things start going south. 

Here we go…..

The problem is the design of the cam chain system.  It uses plastic “shoes” riding on the cam chains that can (and do) wear out. Harley has made some changes in later model bikes, but even with the new hydraulic tensioning system, it is not a true fix.  What is the problem?  The shoes rub against the two chains and the plastic shoes wear out.  When they wear in extreme cases, there will be metal to metal contact and this grinding creates metal shavings that can result in a catastrophic engine failure. If not caught soon enough, this can be so bad that the entire engine can be destroyed; cams, pistons, crankshaft and even engine cases broken.  It is a wickedly serious possible engine problem.  Be aware… it can fail as soon 15,000 miles (in extreme cases).  Even the newer hydraulic system can fail at 50,000 miles or less.  The cam chain tensioners have a section in every service manual that covers the Twin Cam engines and is very enlightening.


http://blog.jpcycles.com/2012/11/i-love-harley-davidson-but-you-must-know-this/

[oldbike54]

2013 Harley-Davidson CVO Road Glide 3.7 12.49 sec. @ 104.83 mph 107 bhp 824 lb

2010 Moto Guzzi Stelvio ABS 3.91 11.94 sec. @ 111.2 mph 104 bhp 612 lb(wet) 

 A K1600 GTL is capable of 11.7 sec 1/4 mile times . 160 HP will make even a heavy bike fast .

 Dusty

[Lannis]

ditto

Again, some people labor under misinformation and old ideas about H-D's.

A good friend has big CVO Ultra Touring bike and he recently installed the H-D 117 kit.  These big bore kits are very reasonably priced. Another mutual riding friend has a late model BMW 1600GTL 6-cylinder.  The Harley will walk away from the BMW under acceleration.

Oh and by the way, he also has upgraded suspension on the big H-D and you better be really on your game if you try to stick with him on a curvy road! We had a Norge (!) rider trashed on a curve in NC trying to stay up with the H-D.

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I labor under an inability to put trust in any anecdotal data about "How Fast My Motorcycle Is" that doesn't have a timing slip with it.

Along with any data about "He's on a Really Fast Bike" that isn't from a track.   Data from the street is more about degrees of idiocy, risk-taking, and bones with morphine already in them than anything about actual rider skills ...

Lannis 

[Kev m]

2013 Harley-Davidson CVO Road Glide 3.7 12.49 sec. @ 104.83 mph 107 bhp 824 lb

2010 Moto Guzzi Stelvio ABS 3.91 11.94 sec. @ 111.2 mph 104 bhp 612 lb(wet) 

Well, not for nothing but the 2013 CVO was only a 110" (1802cc) motor.

And Leaf did say his friend had a 117" (1917cc) motor.

And I'd expect a stock CVO to be emissions compliant, which can mean a big hit in hp.

So not exactly apples to apples.

[arveno]

The new Harley motors are designed to last around 35k before things start going south. 

Here we go�..

The problem is the design of the cam chain system.  It uses plastic �shoes� riding on the cam chains that can (and do) wear out. Harley has made some changes in later model bikes, but even with the new hydraulic tensioning system, it is not a true fix.  What is the problem?  The shoes rub against the two chains and the plastic shoes wear out.  When they wear in extreme cases, there will be metal to metal contact and this grinding creates metal shavings that can result in a catastrophic engine failure. If not caught soon enough, this can be so bad that the entire engine can be destroyed; cams, pistons, crankshaft and even engine cases broken.  It is a wickedly serious possible engine problem.  Be aware� it can fail as soon 15,000 miles (in extreme cases).  Even the newer hydraulic system can fail at 50,000 miles or less.  The cam chain tensioners have a section in every service manual that covers the Twin Cam engines and is very enlightening.


http://blog.jpcycles.com/2012/11/i-love-harley-davidson-but-you-must-know-this/

gear driven cams and te problem is solved, easy peasy..... gee........

[Kev m]

The new Harley motors are designed to last around 35k before things start going south. 

Here we go…..

The problem is the design of the cam chain system.  It uses plastic “shoes” riding on the cam chains that can (and do) wear out. Harley has made some changes in later model bikes, but even with the new hydraulic tensioning system, it is not a true fix.  What is the problem?  The shoes rub against the two chains and the plastic shoes wear out.  When they wear in extreme cases, there will be metal to metal contact and this grinding creates metal shavings that can result in a catastrophic engine failure. If not caught soon enough, this can be so bad that the entire engine can be destroyed; cams, pistons, crankshaft and even engine cases broken.  It is a wickedly serious possible engine problem.  Be aware… it can fail as soon 15,000 miles (in extreme cases).  Even the newer hydraulic system can fail at 50,000 miles or less.  The cam chain tensioners have a section in every service manual that covers the Twin Cam engines and is very enlightening.


http://blog.jpcycles.com/2012/11/i-love-harley-davidson-but-you-must-know-this/

Uh, old news.

1. That hasn't applied to new Harleys since 2007 when they replaced the TC88 motor with the TC96. The TC88 used spring loaded timing chain tensioners which were basically too strong and promoted wear. The TC96 uses hydraulic controlled tensioners that varies and better matches tensioning force to ideal needs in during operation.

2. Even if you have TC88 with the spring loaded tensioners (and you CAN retrofit the new system) it ONLY really means that you need to add inspection (small cover, a few bolts) to the maintenance routine to decide when to replace them.

[Kev m]

gear driven cams and te problem is solved, easy peasy..... gee........

Ha ha true, or that! 

[Cool Runnings]

I labor under an inability to put trust in any anecdotal data about "How Fast My Motorcycle Is" that doesn't have a timing slip with it.

Along with any data about "He's on a Really Fast Bike" that isn't from a track.   Data from the street is more about degrees of idiocy, risk-taking, and bones with morphine already in them than anything about actual rider skills ...

Lannis

Problem is, Harley's have to 'short shift', tell me some big Harley twins will red line at 8,000 rpm? Then again, our BIG BLOCKS run of  steam @ 8K while the likes of FJR's pull strong all the way to 11k.