Author Topic: 1996 California Starting Issue. (Read 11060 times)

Tom · « **Reply #30 on:** August 29, 2016, 05:34:27 PM »

:1: on the load test. Batteries are cheap for that bike. That is unless you want a LiPo battery or Odyssey.

Thundergoose · « **Reply #31 on:** August 30, 2016, 04:42:22 AM »

Bike wouldn't start tonight after being on battery tender all day. Fuel pump is spinning while engine cranks. A few shots of starting fluid didn't do the trick. Oreilly will have my plugs tomorrow, had to order them in. Only thing I didn't do because it got too late was attempt to jump the bike with cables to non running vehicle. Weird thing is it fired right up in the am. I was sure it would run this evening, but no go...

Question, does the crank case sensor on left side come with a bulge in it? It is a super tight fit and had to wiggle it in and out. I noticed that it was bulged in the middle of the plug, wider than at the ends... Not sure if I should be suspicious of sensors at this point. Maybe I'll take the battery to work with me tomorrow so I can have it load tested on lunch break. Although this problem is the same issue I had 2 years ago and brand new battery did not resolve the issue then...

Does this sensor look compromised? or should it bulge in the middle?

Thundergoose · « **Reply #32 on:** August 31, 2016, 12:31:07 AM »

Had battery load tested. Battery is fine. Replaces plugs. Still no start. Fuel pump is working when key is turned and while cranking. Previous post makes me wonder if this is the RPM/crank sensor causing this problem.

My ignition key only has on and off position. To pull up the Guzzi Diag I just plug in the jumper, turn key and bump starter?

rodekyll · « **Reply #33 on:** August 31, 2016, 12:44:49 AM »

Quote from: Thundergoose on August 31, 2016, 12:31:07 AM

Had battery load tested. Battery is fine. Replaces plugs. Still no start. Fuel pump is working when key is turned and while cranking. Previous post makes me wonder if this is the RPM/crank sensor causing this problem.

My ignition key only has on and off position. To pull up the Guzzi Diag I just plug in the jumper, turn key and bump starter?

I don't know what that means.

Is there 12v at the 15 post of the coils?

Thundergoose · « **Reply #34 on:** August 31, 2016, 12:54:03 AM »

Sorry, I was referring to the procedure to check error codes. Here's what it flashed.

https://vimeo.com/109563128

If I'm not mistaken, that error code is 1.2.???
Phase signal (TDC) failure
The trouble can be in the sensor itself (circuit opened), in the wiring or in the connector (circuit opened). It can also be caused by an excessive air gap. When this fault is intermittently occurs during running the code 1.2 is present together with the code 1.3.

Or did I read the code wrong?

Will check coils tomorrow. Too late to be cranking on the starter now. Pretty sure neighbors hate me.

fotoguzzi · « **Reply #35 on:** August 31, 2016, 07:39:39 AM »

yes that is a 1.2 code.. do you have reference for what 1.2 means?

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #36 on:** August 31, 2016, 07:45:50 AM »

Quote from: Thundergoose on August 31, 2016, 12:54:03 AM

Sorry, I was referring to the procedure to check error codes. Here's what it flashed.

https://vimeo.com/109563128

If I'm not mistaken, that error code is 1.2.???
Phase signal (TDC) failure
The trouble can be in the sensor itself (circuit opened), in the wiring or in the connector (circuit opened). It can also be caused by an excessive air gap. When this fault is intermittently occurs during running the code 1.2 is present together with the code 1.3.

Or did I read the code wrong?

Will check coils tomorrow. Too late to be cranking on the starter now. Pretty sure neighbors hate me.

Easy enough to use and ohmmeter on the sensor to verify it.

And that vintage California will pop the starter magnets if you crank it too much.

Thundergoose · « **Reply #37 on:** August 31, 2016, 01:03:58 PM »

Any local (US) source for the Alternative parts used in Fiat/Lada...

Fiat p/n PDTS0032, 60810103, 64820168010, SEN8I3, SEB163, 7733001

I've been looking online and cannot seem to find a US source for these significantly cheaper sensors. If nothing else I'll order a few from the UK and go ahead and buy from the local Guzzi dealer (Ride Now) to get my bike up and running.

Tom · « **Reply #38 on:** August 31, 2016, 02:38:55 PM »

Doesn't hurt to pull the sensor and clean it off.

Thundergoose · « **Reply #39 on:** August 31, 2016, 04:17:37 PM »

So, just got off the phone with the only local dealer (Ride Now Motorsports) and they claim this sensor has been discontinued by Moto Guzzi, so they couldn't even order it in. Is that even possible???

fotoguzzi · « **Reply #40 on:** August 31, 2016, 05:03:20 PM »

Harpers might have them.. MGcycle says sold out.. YIKES retail is $201.15

I'll look for one in my stash when I get home.

Tom · « **Reply #41 on:** August 31, 2016, 05:54:07 PM »

Yikes! Remove and clean.

Thundergoose · « **Reply #42 on:** August 31, 2016, 05:55:30 PM »

I've removed and cleaned it twice. Waiting on replacement part now...

Tom · « **Reply #43 on:** August 31, 2016, 05:57:32 PM »

Didn't know. Okay. Just for grins and giggles. Disconnect the lead to the sensor. Try and fire the bike with throttle open just a little.

Thundergoose · « **Reply #44 on:** August 31, 2016, 10:57:55 PM »

Quote from: Tom on August 31, 2016, 05:57:32 PM

Didn't know. Okay. Just for grins and giggles. Disconnect the lead to the sensor. Try and fire the bike with throttle open just a little.

Tried your suggestion, nothing. Engine turns over, fuel pump runs, bike does not even attempt to start. Figured it was worth a shot. Looks like I got the last sensor from MG Cycle. Should arrive tomorrow/Friday.

azguzzirep · « **Reply #45 on:** September 01, 2016, 01:30:36 AM »

You should be Sainted for your patience!

I would have sold mine for a nickel by now!!
Keep up the good work! We're rooting for ya!!

Tom

Tom · « **Reply #46 on:** September 01, 2016, 04:15:52 PM »

Let us know.

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #47 on:** September 01, 2016, 06:25:32 PM »

Have you measured them yet with an ohmmeter?

Thundergoose · « **Reply #48 on:** September 01, 2016, 10:42:01 PM »

Quote from: OMG on September 01, 2016, 06:25:32 PM

Have you measured them yet with an ohmmeter?

Not going to be necessary! She's running!!!!!!

Thanks to all who helped in this thread. MG cycle came through big time with the SEN-813 sensor and got it out to me overnight on an order that was placed in the afternoon! Replaced the Phase sensor, filled the tank, and she fired right up! Now I'm just waiting on the new kill switch from Moto International, and I'll start riding to work again. Nothing like a well running Guzzi!

Thanks again to all of you for being patient with me as I fumbled through the diagnosis. Hopefully others will be able to wade through all my garbage posts in the future to help diagnose their own similar issues!

Tom · « **Reply #49 on:** September 02, 2016, 01:38:09 PM »

Next, you'll have to report how it runs/rides.

Thundergoose · « **Reply #50 on:** September 02, 2016, 01:49:24 PM »

Quote from: Tom on September 02, 2016, 01:38:09 PM

Next, you'll have to report how it runs/rides.

Tom, so far we're running great. It's running a bit rich, but this bike always has. I'm also having some idle issues, so I'm going to have to adjust idle. Need to figure out why my Neutral light is constantly lit. I suspect that it may just be unplugged, but have also read that a faulty kill switch will cause the light to stay lit...

Will be heading home early today and asking permission to disappear for a couple hours.

fotoguzzi · « **Reply #51 on:** September 02, 2016, 02:45:15 PM »

Quote from: Thundergoose on September 02, 2016, 01:49:24 PM

Tom, so far we're running great. It's running a bit rich,

on the side of the p8 box is a dial that adjusts trim (rich/lean) idle control.. turn only 1/4 at a time and ride for several minutes to see what it does. It will take the computer awhile to adjust to the setting you just changed.. the dial has a limit and you don't want to crank past that or the it does not work anymore.

Tom · « **Reply #52 on:** September 02, 2016, 04:49:24 PM »

Make sure your air filter isn't plugged and your sparkplugs are the right heat range.

Tom H · « **Reply #53 on:** September 02, 2016, 10:51:33 PM »

Congrats on the beast running. And this thread will help others with the same problem!!

Good luck!
Tom

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