The Italian Harley?

[pete roper]

Alas, this seems to be the future for Guzzi. Dropped into Agostinis this afternoon. The showroom had only V7's, V9's and MV's in evidence. There may of been a Cali in there somewhere too.

One thing I can say is that the Cali series do appear popular! Many to be seen on the roads including a shitload of Audaces's. Lots of Norges, Brevas, Stelvios and Sport 1200's but surprisingly few Grisos! Can't work that one out.

Quite a few sick sounding 8V's too. It's obvious that a lot of people still aren't aware of the flat tappet issues. It's a crying shame.

Pete

[flip]

 

[pikipiki]

I'm sure there's a more apporopriate collective noun for Audace's
Bodacoius of Audace's
Ch@&@ing Sh@&load of Chongqing Shineray may work

[ritratto]

Yes, this is what I've been saying the last two years. Aprillia= sport, Guzzi=cruiser. Sad indeed.

Why Piaggio, why?

[Red Dog]

Yes, this is what I've been saying the last two years. Aprillia= sport, Guzzi=cruiser. Sad indeed.

Why Piaggio, why?

I keep tellin ya'all that Polaris is the US version of Piaggio.

Aprilla = Sport   Victory = American Muscle (think 1400 series) with the Octane trying to appeal to younger intro riders (think V7/9)

Guzzi = Cruiser Modern retro  Indian = Cruiser Modern retro with the Scout appealing to older riders that don't feel they can handle a "big bike" anymore.

It is amazing how many riders ask about the Victory & the common line is: "If they did a sport/touring... or adventure.... or sport bike I'd buy American next bike.

On the Vic forum there are many X-Guzzi owners who would still be riding them IF we had a dealer network or at least honest repair shops that could handle service/warranty work.  One of the main reasons I got into Vic's is from lack of dealer support on Guzzi.

[Daniel Kalal]

...dropped into Agostinis this afternoon....

Pete, I don't know if you had a chance to talk with Alberto.  Ably thinks (hopes?) there might next be a small adventure style bike based on the V9 and after that a new edition of the Stelvio using the California electrics and air induction.  But, if that happens, the Stelvio will have had a gap of a number of years--it's hard to develop a customer base if they've already gone elsewhere.

Meanwhile, MV isn't paying their own bills, so that leaves Agostini--for now--with not much to offer in the showroom.

[Cool Runnings]

Harley could have made one hell of a sport-touring bike out of the V-Rod, but no, cruisers are being shoved down Americans throats.

[Tom]

HD should have developed and marketed the Street Rod.   Whatever they did to the front end worked a lot better than the V-Rod.

[Cool Runnings]

HD should have developed and marketed the Street Rod.   Whatever they did to the front end worked a lot better than the V-Rod.

Just another ass-down feet forward bike.

[pete roper]

Pete, I don't know if you had a chance to talk with Alberto.  Ably thinks (hopes?) there might next be a small adventure style bike based on the V9 and after that a new edition of the Stelvio using the California electrics and air induction.  But, if that happens, the Stelvio will have had a gap of a number of years--it's hard to develop a customer base if they've already gone elsewhere.

Meanwhile, MV isn't paying their own bills, so that leaves Agostini--for now--with not much to offer in the showroom.

Daniel, I emailed you. Are you in Mandello now? If so Jude and I would love to catch up!

Pete

[Tom]

Just another ass-down feet forward bike.

From that comment, I can tell that you haven't ridden one.  Standard riding position and the front end doesn't flop to the left or right.  I think the rake of the steering neck is different.

[Daniel Kalal]

Daniel, I emailed you. Are you in Mandello now? If so Jude and I would love to catch up!

No; I'm back in North America.

[Cool Runnings]

From that comment, I can tell that you haven't ridden one.  Standard riding position and the front end doesn't flop to the left or right.  I think the rake of the steering neck is different.

Ops! 

[pete roper]

No; I'm back in North America.
dankalal@cox.net

Well that buggers that!

Catch up at some point, hopefully before too long.

Pete & Jude

[Tom]

Ops! 

http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/11/20/harley-davidson-vrscr-street-rod-best-used-bikes   

[leafman60]

Fabulous bike that all the folks clamoring for avoided in droves.

Not at all a VRod.  Different frame, steering geometry, almost rear-set pegs,  5-gal tank, more HP.  I am 6-2 and could not flat-foot it. Topped out at 150+.


Mine ready for a roadflogging-


Rigged for touring and riding with a Guzzi friend on the BRP-

[Tom]

 

[Lesman]

VRSCR is the only V Rod that I would own. That said. I sat on one today at an HD dealer. I'm 5'10" with 30" inseam. It was just uncomfortable for my shoulders. My knees and hips were in a real uncomfortable spot. I don't think I could go more than 50 miles at time. It's just a really sweet bike but not for me.

[bad Chad]

Alas, this seems to be the future for Guzzi. Dropped into Agostinis this afternoon. The showroom had only V7's, V9's and MV's in evidence. There may of been a Cali in there somewhere too.

One thing I can say is that the Cali series do appear popular! Many to be seen on the roads including a shitload of Audaces's. Lots of Norges, Brevas, Stelvios and Sport 1200's but surprisingly few Grisos! Can't work that one out.

Quite a few sick sounding 8V's too. It's obvious that a lot of people still aren't aware of the flat tappet issues. It's a crying shame.



Pete

The dark is always at its deepest, before dawn...     Something wicked this way comes...

[wrnchwrk]

Well, not everything is lost http://www.piaggiogroup.com/it/archivio/comunicati/fmi-celebra-95-anni-moto-guzzi

Auto translated from Italian:

"...at the very moment in which we celebrate 95 years, we open up a five-year period that will take us to the centenary of this glorious brand. We have amazing new products that will implement a range which today is giving us great satisfaction, even approaching Moto Guzzi motorcycle and a new and younger generation of fans. But Moto Guzzi also has a sporting history of great value, an extraordinary legacy that inspires us to think about a return to racing. Aprilia Racing is the tip of the Piaggio Group's technological research excellence and nothing prevents this technology, as already happens for production motorcycles, can be transferred to the Moto Guzzi brand even in racing. Maybe it won't happen in the very short term but certainly we don't feel to exclude this fascinating scenario..."

[ITSec]

Well, not everything is lost http://www.piaggiogroup.com/it/archivio/comunicati/fmi-celebra-95-anni-moto-guzzi

Auto translated from Italian:

"...at the very moment in which we celebrate 95 years, we open up a five-year period that will take us to the centenary of this glorious brand. We have amazing new products that will implement a range which today is giving us great satisfaction, even approaching Moto Guzzi motorcycle and a new and younger generation of fans. But Moto Guzzi also has a sporting history of great value, an extraordinary legacy that inspires us to think about a return to racing. Aprilia Racing is the tip of the Piaggio Group's technological research excellence and nothing prevents this technology, as already happens for production motorcycles, can be transferred to the Moto Guzzi brand even in racing. Maybe it won't happen in the very short term but certainly we don't feel to exclude this fascinating scenario..."

Allowing for the fact that robots programmed in English can't speak good Italian, that is a reason for some lifted spirits.

[wrnchwrk]

And the new Stelvio next year is promised as well! http://www.inmoto.it/news/news/2016/09/10-453575/moto_guzzi_torer_a_correre_entro_cinque_anni_/?cookieAccept

[Tom]

Since Moto Guzzi is the touring line of the Piaggio group, they have left a small opening for a Sports-touring bike in their line up if they want to go that direction.  That would work better than a Aprilia moving that way.

[Trogladyte]

It will be very sad indeed, if this is all Guzzi will be in the future, with all that sporting heritage. I so loved my old Le Mans III - a real man's motorcycle. And I love my Griso. Cruisers may be fine for some, but it's not my bag at all.   

[ritratto]

It will be very sad indeed, if this is all Guzzi will be in the future, with all that sporting heritage. I so loved my old Le Mans III - a real man's motorcycle. And I love my Griso. Cruisers may be fine for some, but it's not my bag at all.

g

Ditto, ditto, ditto.

Piaggio... You reading this stuff? Please do not abdomen this great company! Before there was Ducati, before there was Aprilllia, there was Moto ef'en' Guzzi!

Got it? Remember it!

[flip]

Piaggio... You reading this stuff? Please do not abdomen this great company! Before there was Ducati, before there was Aprilllia, there was Moto ef'en' Guzzi!

Got it? Remember it!

 

[ITSec]

g

Ditto, ditto, ditto.

Piaggio... You reading this stuff? Please do not abdomen this great company! Before there was Ducati, before there was Aprilllia, there was Moto ef'en' Guzzi!

Got it? Remember it!

If Moto Guzzi went cruiser only, I don't think I could stomach it... 

[Scud]

Please do not abdomen this great company!

I'll play.

Please do not gut this great company.
Please do not abandon this great company.

But seriously, if a new sportbike were to come to market, we cheap old bastards who've been asking for one had better get in line to buy the new V14 Sport (or whatever they call it) right off the dealers' showroom floors.

[Tom]

IF they would make a sport touring bike that would fit the needs of the consumer and the goals of the company.  This would be a better fit than having Aprilia making a sports tourer. 

[wrnchwrk]

I think they'll introduce V7 III (updated EURO4), some versions of V9 and a prototype of water-cooled 1200-1300 engine at this EICMA and then next year some bikes (Stelvio, Sport etc.) based on this engine will follow.