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Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« on: April 27, 2017, 01:47:17 PM »
The German financial press is abuzz with speculation that Volkswagen AG may be shopping the Ducati motorcycle business around. Purchased in 2012 for a bit less than a billion dollars, Ducati is said to be quietly in discussion for something like $1.5 billion these days.

The motorcycle brand was blended into the Audi/Lamborghini business unit but there's no real business synergy in owning a motorcycle company. It was always said to be an ego purchase at the behest of now-ousted chairman Dr. Ferdinand Piech. With him gone and Volkswagen spending untold billions of dollars to address its diesel certification fiasco, the company could use a few less distractions and a billion or so in hard cash.

So, who is a likely buyer for Ducati? A Chinese or Indian company? Investment bankers? An existing motorcycle brand? Another automobile manufacturer? An incredibly rich dude?
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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2017, 01:48:57 PM »
 Maybe we can all chip in a couple of bucks...
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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2017, 02:03:31 PM »
Maybe we can all chip in a couple of bucks...

My brother just did.

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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2017, 02:46:51 PM »
do you think they would accept a personal check I would have to post date it a bit ahead though. like 50 years.
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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2017, 03:38:56 PM »
Maybe we can all chip in a couple of bucks...

I shudder to think what this crew would do to Ducati.  The old Ronnie Milsap song 'Lost In The Sixties Again' comes to mind...
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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2017, 03:40:49 PM »
 Maybe Harley Davidson will buy Ducati....Just imagine, a Panigale S with fringe and chrome...Nice ,eh

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2017, 03:48:37 PM »
I don't think that MV thing worked out for them.
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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2017, 03:49:28 PM »
I shudder to think what this crew would do to Ducati.  The old Ronnie Milsap song 'Lost In The Sixties Again' comes to mind...

We'd resurrect the Apollo program!  :grin:

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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2017, 03:52:31 PM »

Really.  Who would pay that much for a niche brand motorcycle company?

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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2017, 04:02:58 PM »
My check boot is out..now how many o's in a billion???  :boozing:

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2017, 04:21:07 PM »
Really.  Who would pay that much for a niche brand motorcycle company?

  Ducati sold 50,000 bikes world wide the each of the last few years...

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2017, 05:45:59 PM »
I just hope whoever ponies up keeps the race team! I don't think Aprilia is ready to take on Japan, Inc. in MotoGP just yet...


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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2017, 06:41:22 PM »
Maybe we can all chip in a couple of bucks...
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So divide 750 people who regularly "soapbox" on this forum by $1.5B and what do we have to come up with...each?  :laugh: :grin: :wink: :rolleyes: :shocked:

$1,500,000,000 / 750 = $2000000 each  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

(I'm out...) :laugh: :grin: :wink:
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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2017, 06:46:20 PM »
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So divide 750 people who regularly "soapbox" on this forum by $1.5B and what do we have to come up with...each?  :laugh: :grin: :wink: :rolleyes: :shocked:

$1,500,000,000 / 750 = $2000000 each  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

(I'm out...) :laugh: :grin: :wink:

Uh.. there's a bunch of zeros. Let me rummage around in my change purse.  :shocked: I might be able to handle the 2.
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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2017, 06:54:10 PM »
A German auto manufacturer buying an established brand (Ducati) is totally different than starting from scratch as a motorcycle company in 1923, and ultimately developing a successful line of cars and bikes.  Audi buying Ducati didn't turn  them into BMW.

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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2017, 07:22:57 PM »
wait?! what? VW owns ducati? i had no idea. on the face of it that just seems so wrong.


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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2017, 07:31:18 PM »
id

So divide 750 people who regularly "soapbox" on this forum by $1.5B and what do we have to come up with...each?  :laugh: :grin: :wink: :rolleyes: :shocked:

$1,500,000,000 / 750 = $2000000 each  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

(I'm out...) :laugh: :grin: :wink:

It's not so hard.   Do like the Big Guys do.    All you have to be able to do is LEVERAGE $2M, not actually come up with all the cash at once.   Five percent down, what's that, $100K?   Home equity loan, then we'll flip Ducati to .... someone .... or sell off all the assets before we have to make the first payment!   

I'm in!   :laugh:

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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2017, 07:33:00 PM »
Maybe Harley Davidson will buy Ducati....Just imagine, a Panigale S with fringe and chrome...Nice ,eh
If history tells us anything they would sell it to the Castiglione family for $1 after paying most of their debts.
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2017, 10:28:33 PM »
I just hope whoever ponies up keeps the race team! I don't think Aprilia is ready to take on Japan, Inc. in MotoGP just yet...

 Uh , what would be the difference ?

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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2017, 12:00:55 AM »
  Ducati sold 50,000 bikes world wide the each of the last few years...

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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
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Maybe Harley Davidson will buy Ducati....Just imagine, a Panigale S with fringe and chrome...Nice ,eh



If history tells us anything they would sell it to the Castiglione family for $1 after paying most of their debts.

Beat me to it! If only HD would have invested more in Buell instead of buying MV, Buell might have lasted a few more years.
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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2017, 03:24:03 AM »
I'd like to buy a motorcycle manufacturer but my wife won't let me.

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2017, 04:13:16 AM »
We'd resurrect the Apollo program!  :grin:


Apollo could be joined by a freshened up Indiana and Elefant. 



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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2017, 04:50:14 AM »
If I buy it do I take on the debt with it.
Ducati always has debt with it.
50,000 bikes world wide a spit in the ocean.

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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2017, 07:08:36 AM »
I'd like to buy a motorcycle manufacturer but my wife won't let me.

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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2017, 07:50:12 AM »
I read somewhere that Piaggio is a potential buyer?  I have no remote idea if that's realistic or not but is an interesting consideration.

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Re: Who wants Ducati? VW may be selling...
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2017, 07:55:15 AM »
Bottom-line:  Does anyone out there REALLY think Ducati is worth $1.5B?!?   :rolleyes: :shocked:  That's an awful lot of lettuce... :laugh: :grin: :wink:
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« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2017, 09:19:53 AM »
I'm starting to think that the sport / cruiser motorcycle business is becoming the 21st century version of the early 20th century buggy whip business.  I just read that the average age of a motorcycle owner in the US is 47, and going up.  With few 20-somethings getting into the sport, I don't see a long term upside for a company like Ducati. 

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