Another MGX-21 exhaust choice & it's made in the USA!

[Dalini]

After seven months of development and production, Freedom Performance Exhausts, Corona, Ca., using my MGX-21 as a template, has developed a complete system for the MGX-21 for world marketing. Headers and silencers. Martin, FPE's owner was excited after seeing the MGX-21 intro at Sturgis and wanted one to develop a system. Aquiring one was not easy. No one, dealers or owners, were willing to give one up for the development time.
FPE's claims are thus; 30-40% heat reduction.
30% lighter.
10  #'s increased torque
8-10 increased HP.
Mid & high range.
Headers $799    Silencers $799
Available in chrome or black.
FPE returned my MGX-21 Tues 9/26 in Reno during Street Vibrations.
After 2 days and 250 miles and not knowing the technical numbers difference I can confirm that my MGX-21 performs much more aggressively!
This 1st baffle is deeeeep, throaty & and loud but a quieter baffle (exchangeble) will be offered along with different tip styles.
I'll provide more seat time impressions and numbers in the near future and pics if I can figure out how.
Martin @ FPE was excellent in communicating with me the whole development time and FPE's attention to the systems appearance and details appear to be world class. In the not to distant future they have plans for other Moto Guzzi models.

[pete roper]

Can you, or they, explain where and how these fanciful power and torque figures are achieved using stock closed loop mapping?

Pete

[beetle]

I would like to know too.

 

[pete roper]

Three posts from this bloke. Closest thing I've seen to paid advertising copy I've seen in a while.

Any hope of full disclosure? Or even honesty?

Sorry. If people continue to swallow this sort of bullshit, (And that's what it is.) their enjoyment of their machines will continue to be sub-optimal. Just because something is made in the USA doesn't mean it has inate benefits. An understanding of how engines and engine management systems work is far more important.

If though you simply believe that 'Opening it up and adding more fuel' is the answer? Well, knock yerselves out! The only people who will be disappointed will be you.

I tire of this bullshit!

Pete

[molly]

I would buy one if they provide  a certified  before and after dyno chart with a money back guarantee if their claims aren't met.
Funny how these days you see very little performance gain promises with after market pipes.

I was at a  dealer a while back and he had a V7 Guzzi  with a full Guzzi approved Arrow exhaust system fitted. The dealer had just taken the bike of his dyno, it cost  £1000 and gave a whopping increase of 1.0 bhp.

[pete roper]

Dyno charts in and of themselves give little indication of real world tractability. Once again, tiresome irrelevance.

[blu guzz]

the "open up the pipes, air cleaner and throw in more gas" theory really worked on Harleys because they were so plugged up anyway to meet the federal regs.  on the fuel injected ones, you had to get either a new chip or a reflash and on the carbs., larger jets to actaully take advantage of the mods. the biggest limiter was their styling. after mods, they really did run far better and cooler. 
this is not true on newer, more modern bikes as the factories now have a much better handle on engine management and have found clever ways to increase the size of the airboxes and improve exhaust flow.  imo, the only reason for pipes now is if you like the sound. 
but, my cali sounds very good on the stock pipes, surprisingly good.  as i get older, i consider loud pipes so much noise, but that's just me.

[Aaron D.]

There's a lot of this on the Indian Scout forum. Slapping on an air cleaner "wakes up the bike" (makes it louder) despite several tuners saying it doesn't matter at all. Add an exhaust and your elbows get straightened more forcefully. A piggyback  fueller will bring about Armageddon.

[Dalini]

Aaah, Pete Roper , thank you for your input. We've met before several times. You're in every group, club , work place and forum. I've noticed you're on here a lot. That doesn't validate your cynical, arrogant opinions any more than my 3 posts or anyone elses.
I will agree with you on one point. Mfg's generaly do exagerate their claims. All I did was repeat Freedom Performances exhaust's in my excitment to let those who might be interested that another choice other than Agostini's or Mistrals was avaible and made in the USA. The facts will become avaible with time.
As for transparency and honesty here are some facts as of 9/30/2017.
FPE provided me their new system for the MGX free of charge for lending them mine with 452 miles on it for seven months.
I am not a mechanic but a self taught tinkerer and excellent detailer.
Having ridden 61 m/c's through 52 years I have developed the ability to discern the difference between mods whether ergonomically or performance related, good or bad.
My MGX is different, more responsive, linear throuout the power band and throttle responsive since receiving FPE's exhaust.
One confirmed number verified today while riding in towns, country roads, two passes (1 up, 1 down) on the east side of Lake Tahoe, 80-90 mph on I-80 and rte 50 ( the lonliest hwy). 150 miles exactly using 3.35 gals of 91 octane revealed 44.77 MPG. Specific enough?
It's sad that such egotistical " bull...." was directed at a fellow m/clist simply wanting to share for those interested a new product and a nice, unusual opportunity. Like any purchase, simply research the product and see if it's right for you.

[beetle]

Fight! Fight!

 

[pete roper]

My cynicism is well founded.

[fotoguzzi]

My cynicism is well founded.

good reply, lets let it rest there..

[flip]

 

[Socalrob]

I would buy one if they provide  a certified  before and after dyno chart with a money back guarantee if their claims aren't met.
Funny how these days you see very little performance gain promises with after market pipes.

I was at a  dealer a while back and he had a V7 Guzzi  with a full Guzzi approved Arrow exhaust system fitted. The dealer had just taken the bike of his dyno, it cost  �1000 and gave a whopping increase of 1.0 bhp.

A one HP gain on a under 50hp bike at the rear wheel is what I would be hoping for.

[molly]

A one HP gain on a under 50hp bike at the rear wheel is what I would be hoping for.

I suppose expectations are based on the selling point of the system.
What I was trying to convey is that just slapping on a exhaust system alone will not on a modern efi bike make a great deal of difference to performance especially with the latest generation of self adapting ecu's.
Of course If a manufacturer has put in loads of time and effort into developing a bespoke exhaust system for a particular model and publishes a dyno chart backing up their claims all well and good.

[Cage Free]

Im shocked at the $1600. asking price.

[Socalrob]

Im shocked at the $1600. asking price.

That is actually pretty typical for a full system from west I have seen.

[Tusayan]

Aaah, Pete Roper , thank you for your input. We've met before several times. You're in every group, club , work place and forum. I've noticed you're on here a lot. That doesn't validate your cynical, arrogant opinions any more than my 3 posts or anyone elses..

The main issue with Pete's posts in my view is that he makes extremely strong unilateral statements, often insulting those with other opinions and perhaps better knowledge, then quite often follows up by saying "I'm only a mechanic, what do I know". 

To me that looks like insecurity (just my opinion), and I think a more measured approach is more helpful to both writer and audience - regardless of how much either may know.

That is actually pretty typical for a full system from west I have seen.

I think exhaust system prices have risen to a remarkable degree ever since Termignoni and their dealers found out the market would bear those prices.  Anybody other than me remember 1980's F1 slip ons for $129.95, or similarly priced Bub stuff for Guzzis?

[Socalrob]

The main issue with Pete's posts in my view is that he makes extremely strong unilateral statements, often insulting those with other opinions and perhaps better knowledge, then quite often follows up up by saying "I'm only a mechanic, what do I know".

I think exhaust system prices have risen to a remarkable degree ever since Termignoni and their dealers found out the market would bear those prices.  Anybody other Han me remember 1980's F1 slip ones for $129.95, or similarly priced Bub stuff for Guzzis?

Sure, back when gas was a quarter for a gallon, candy bars were a nickel, and I walked 3 miles to school uphill both ways in the blizzards of a Los Angeles winter.

[Dalini]

As I stated in my original post FPE wants to have slip-ons available for the Audace, Eldorado & Califrnia's at the $800 range. Price Agostini's & Mistrals. A full system may need a bike for development if different from the MGX.
One note; this was a different, frustrating effort for FPE per Martin since MG's are so different then what they've mfg'd for so many other models. "But, you're not getting it back untill it's right" he said. At one point FPE brought in a German engineer familiar with MG's.
One touch; instead of just cutting the crossover to size & clamping it they threaded it before attaching then clamped it per the German who wanted NO leaks.
FWIW