Moto Guzzi going RACING again?!?

[jacksonracingcomau]

All depends what you think is important. Advancing the overall technology or proving how fast you can punt an obsolete piece of shit around a loop of tarmac.

in moto 2 both apply
win win for all
this year triumph triple engines
still restricted, good thing imho
this series ?
maybe v9 driveshaft gets tested?

[guzzisteve]

I heard news last week that someone has the motor spinning 11,000rpm w/o it coming apart. This was from a racer. It was also a hemi head design engine. Might have been the V85 engine w/lightweight internals.

[s1120]

The one brake odds are wouldnt be a issue..  remember that one is a LOT better then the brakes used in the 70's..  That being said im sure the specs can be changed if it becomes a issue on the bikes. And who cares if they are slow... some of the most fun ive had in my life are racing old beat up minibikes, or gocarts.. your racing against others like you.. how fast they are compared to a modern superbike doesn't matter.. I used to love watching the old HD883 series. They where a blast, and you can tell the riders had a ear to ear grin the whole time!! 

[bad Chad]

I had fun a few years back watching Dodge Neon series race around Road America.  The cars were spec and were never intended for racing, but as a spectator it was great fun.   It was just club racing, but the drivers were pushing like it was F1.

I’m not saying these spec v7 will make fine race bikes, they will certainly suck if compared to more capable machines.   But taken in context they might still provide good racing and fun along with some exposure for Guzzi. It’s a step, small, but in the right direction. 

[Huzo]

The one brake odds are wouldnt be a issue..  remember that one is a LOT better then the brakes used in the 70's..  That being said im sure the specs can be changed if it becomes a issue on the bikes. And who cares if they are slow... some of the most fun ive had in my life are racing old beat up minibikes, or gocarts.. your racing against others like you.. how fast they are compared to a modern superbike doesn't matter.. I used to love watching the old HD883 series. They where a blast, and you can tell the riders had a ear to ear grin the whole time!!

That's gotta be a fair point in anyone's estimation.
If you were incorrect, then it would be pointless racing in WSBK because they are slow heaps of "shit", compared to Moto GP, which they demonstrably are.
I think it is period 5 racing or some such in Oz (please correct me here if necessary), where the likes of Wayne Gardner, Robbie Phillis, Malcolm Campbell and the odd invited international, punt things like T Rex "CB 750" sohc Hondas, Katanas, GSX 1100's, CB 1100 F's and the like, against ex John Woodley and Jeremy Burgess RG 500 Suzuki's etc..
When asked to give his impression of the racing, Phillis gets on national TV and announces....
"Shit, this is horn....!"
Point is.
These meetings are extremely popular, because cashed up old farts like me, can go there, blow a metric tonne of money and support the action without feeling like you are alienated from the international Gods such as it is in Moto GP.
You can also meet your heroes like Crosby and Co. in the pits without having to leave your appendage at the gate as security...!
Hey, and just to get back on topic..
If Guzzi sell heaps of rattletrap V7's and they get crashed to bits on the weekend, they'll sell heaps of spares to get the old things back on the track.
A bit like the RD 250/350 LC series of yesteryear.
Bloody good on 'em for having a crack !

[jas67]

Uh because brake fade = failure

Failure is not acceptable under race conditions.

400# bike on the track, I absolutely want dual discs.   When racing, you're going to be using the brakes harder and WAY more often than when on the street.

[jas67]

That's gotta be a fair point in anyone's estimation.
If you were incorrect, then it would be pointless racing in WSBK because they are slow heaps of "shit", compared to Moto GP, which they demonstrably are.

Moto 3 races, are often some of the best GP races to watch.   And those bikes are < 55HP 250cc singles, albeit, much lighter than the V7.

[guzzisteve]

I just had this pop up while looking on the tube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLX_76qIfrw

http://www.motoguzzi.com/it_IT/Fast-Endurance/partecipa/?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=social&utm_campaign=Trofeo-Fast-Endurance&utm_content=Partecipa&utm_term=IT

go racing

[Roebling3]

BullDog9, others: Have you any further information on the endurance racing you mentioned? Track sites, miles/hours?  Thanx for posting,  R3~ 

[guzzisteve]

All info, registration, circuit, tracks, etc here-----http://www.federmoto.it/

http://www.guareschimoto.it/

[bad Chad]

Here is a Google translation of costs, and what you need, and what comes with the racing kit.

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Guzzi Fast Endurance, the eagle returns to the track
At the Motor Bike Expo presented the final program of the Moto Guzzi Fast Endurance, single-brand championship "little expense, so much yield" Moto Guzzi Fast Endurance, the eagle back on track
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by Alessandro Codognesi12 February 2019 - 18:15


At the EICMA 2018, Moto Guzzi stand, next to the bright V85TT was also a V7 III, without headlights and with two sculptural Ohlins shock absorbers. It was not a special of some unknown customizer but the bike that will be the protagonist of the Moto Guzzi Fast Endurance trophy. A competition that these days, at the Motor Bike Expo, was told directly by the president FMI, Giovanni Copioli: it will be a championship composed of five stages, with crews of two drivers, who will declare the return of Moto Guzzi between the curbs of the slopes. As before.
Info and prices



 

We give some useful information. To participate you need naturally a Moto Guzzi V7 III - new or used, it makes no difference - equipped with the official kit (3.300 euros + VAT, excluding the assembly) that for the record was developed by the Guareschi brothers, Vittoriano (former Ducati MotoGP test driver , remember?) and Gianfranco, expert craftsmen of the twin cylinders of Mandello del Lario. A kit that includes open exhaust, a sportier air filter and a mapped to the control unit, as well as two Ohlins shock absorbers at the rear and a fork kit (still Ohlins: springs and pumping elements). Half-handlebars, rear sets, headlight kits, number plates and Pirelli Phantom Sportscomp RS tires close the line.

More info

At the price of motorcycles and kits, however, we need to add the € 1,250 registration fee (€ 350 for a single race), which includes the first set of tires. The races, as anticipated, are five: Varano April 14, Vallelunga May 19, Magione June 23, Adria September 1, and Misano October 13. Two 20-minute qualifying rounds are scheduled on Saturdays (for each driver), while on Sunday they start at Le Mans 24-hour: on foot. And then off, one hour of competition, with shifts of up to 15 minutes for each driver. Can it be interesting? Better to hurry: the registrations close March 31 and to participate you must be fired ... No, not from their boss, but provided with a license to run. For any information, however, you can write

[Huzo]

All depends what you think is important. Advancing the overall technology or proving how fast you can punt an obsolete piece of shit around a loop of tarmac.

So if that's true, why was there so much interest in that fast guy on the Griso that had a slip off ? I'd sooner pay money at the gate to watch him on an obsolete old Griso, than a one make R6 series for instance.
Yet the R6 is demonstrably not obsolete, and freaking fast..!
If you're gunna' tell me that the Griso is as quick as the R6, we'll change it to an R1.
Just a point of conversation..

[hidn45]

Seems like to me that we might be better served by getting behind the Motherland's efforts to get more young people interested in our wonderful, quirky, unique motorbikes, rather than arguing about whether one can indeed manage to complete a lap at speed on a bike with ONE measly disc.  (Any AHRMA race can answer that question....)

I, for one, would immensely enjoy the opportunity to watch a whole racetrack full of heavy, slow, boring, dangerous Moto Guzzis dicing with one another at full song.  The cynic in me sez it will never happen here, & he's probably right - there's no money in it here.  But I stand up & cheer for the factory for taking the leap.

[Rusnak_322]

The one brake odds are wouldnt be a issue..  remember that one is a LOT better then the brakes used in the 70's..  That being said im sure the specs can be changed if it becomes a issue on the bikes. And who cares if they are slow... some of the most fun ive had in my life are racing old beat up minibikes, or gocarts.. your racing against others like you.. how fast they are compared to a modern superbike doesn't matter.. I used to love watching the old HD883 series. They where a blast, and you can tell the riders had a ear to ear grin the whole time!!

There isn't a safety factor with a second disk. Meaning, you lose your left front brake, you lose your right front brake at the same time.

Brake fade can be managed with pad compounds and when you have 50% less hp and 25% more weight, you spend longer on the straights, which lets the brakes cool off more then on a faster bike.

Also, I would be that there are bikes with close to the weight and power racing in AHRMA now that are running double leading shoe drum front brakes with no issues.

[mtiberio]

What do you mean AGAIN? I have been land speed racing Guzzi's with the SCTA at El Mirage dry lake just north of LA for the past 2 years. in 2017 I set a land speed record with my old road racer. This past year, I claimed the title "worlds fastest Convert" with my Eldorado Automatic which clocked in at 114 MPH. Oh, your Convert is faster? bring it out and lets see.

[bad Chad]

That’s one dam fast Covert!   Any Guzzi racing is good racing!

[mtiberio]

https://www.cyclenews.com/2019/02/article/csra-road-racing-old-school-superbike-fun/

there is a picture in this article. It shows 2 guzzis. the one in the front is my old AMA Pro-Twins racer/land speed record setter with mods by Andrew. These guys were at Willow with the CSRA. Rick now owns the bike. This new small block series would dovetail nicely with a new national series, listening Piaggio?

[JJ]

What do you mean AGAIN? I have been land speed racing Guzzi's with the SCTA at El Mirage dry lake just north of LA for the past 2 years. in 2017 I set a land speed record with my old road racer. This past year, I claimed the title "worlds fastest Convert" with my Eldorado Automatic which clocked in at 114 MPH. Oh, your Convert is faster? bring it out and lets see.

CONGRATULATIONS on that achievement!!  

How did she track @ 114mph?  Steady as she goes I hope and not wobbly!!

[mtiberio]

Stability is always a concern, but I have never had a tank slapper (as he knocks on his wooden head). Short rear shocks, cranked steering damper, balanced and trued tires. Dry lake beds, especially once cars have torn it up are not super smooth. That said I have never felt a rut or divot grab the tire. I do run about 50 PSI.

[Yukonica]

I had fun a few years back watching Dodge Neon series race around Road America.  The cars were spec and were never intended for racing, but as a spectator it was great fun.   It was just club racing, but the drivers were pushing like it was F1.

I’m not saying these spec v7 will make fine race bikes, they will certainly suck if compared to more capable machines.   But taken in context they might still provide good racing and fun along with some exposure for Guzzi. It’s a step, small, but in the right direction.

   Plus, plus, plus 1

If 'real' racing is only about absolute speed and newest technology the Triple Crown, as an example, is a waste of time. Single horse power, shitty brakes, slow... really slow. And that technology only improves after a generation of work.
I love the lower classes. Moto3, Moto2, club racing. As a spectator I enjoy watching teams of more or less equal capability compete.