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Guzziology - Disappointed
« on: March 23, 2019, 12:15:53 PM »
I recently purchased Dave Richardson's Guzziology on amazon (the physical book, not the Kindle version.) I have to say, I'm a bit disappointed in it. From the description (and the $50 price tag,) I expected it to be a full on technical manual with detailed instructions and illustrations. Instead, most of it seems to be just general information on parts and engine configurations, and the few maintenance instructions are written, only, with no photos or illustrations. Granted, there is still a LOT of information in there, and a good number of tips, but I was hoping for a book that would walk me through procedures like adjusting valves, disassembling the top end of the engine, replacing my clutch, etc. Maybe I need to give it some more time and reading, but so far, it's a lot less useful than I'd hoped.
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2019, 12:34:48 PM »
It was never meant to be that type of a manual, but rather to supplement the factory manual.

Have you seen these? They'll probably be more help (as would joining the Loopframe Guzzi Yahoo group
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2019, 12:36:41 PM »
 It was never intended to be a repair or service manual , more of a *what fits what* general reference , along with some basic history . Keep digging , it contains lots of interesting details . After reading it , if it doesn't give you the desired info , someone will buy it .

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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2019, 12:39:53 PM »
It was never intended to be a repair or service manual , more of a *what fits what* general reference , along with some basic history . Keep digging , it contains lots of interesting details . After reading it , if it doesn't give you the desired info , someone will buy it .

 Dusty

Yea, I completely misunderstood what us was supposed to be. I'm sure I'll still hang on to it, though, as it does still seem to be really interesting and have a lot of good general tips. Is there a "best" repair/service manual you'd recommend for the old Eldorados?
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2019, 12:41:27 PM »
It was never meant to be that type of a manual, but rather to supplement the factory manual.

Have you seen these? They'll probably be more help (as would joining the Loopframe Guzzi Yahoo group
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Loopframe_Guzzi/info).

http://thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_loopframe_workshop_manuals___shop_manuals___service_manuals.html

Thanks!
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2019, 12:48:56 PM »
The purpose and benefit of Guzziology is that it contains a lifetime of hands-on experience to provide a lot of information not found in a how-to shop manual.  Guzzi is a quirky machine.  You cannot always go by the official "book" when dealing with one. 

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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2019, 12:53:13 PM »
As soon as you start doing the work it will become the go-to.  It fills in the holes in the shop manuals and parts books.  For all the maintenance stuff - oil changes to tire changes - I only ever grab Guzziology because it contains all the little details and tricks that are not in the factory manual or I forgot.  You'll like it.

Download a PDF copy of the factory shop manual from This Old Tractor, print it and put the pages in plastic sleeves in a binder and you have a durable shop copy for about $25.


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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2019, 01:13:08 PM »
The purpose and benefit of Guzziology is that it contains a lifetime of hands-on experience to provide a lot of information not found in a how-to shop manual.  Guzzi is a quirky machine.  You cannot always go by the official "book" when dealing with one. 

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Sorry to bust in here...  But I was thinking of getting it, but kinda wondering if there is useful info on some of the newer machines?  Wondering if its worth the buy for my 02 California stone.
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2019, 01:54:17 PM »
Yes it contains updates covering 2002 models and newer small blocks maybe not the latest single TB models.
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2019, 02:27:40 PM »
makes a really great winter read... :thumb: When I had dragged a Convert home that was leaking from every seal, I knew what I needed to keep and maintain it because of that book...fascinating from a model development point of view and 500 pages of fix it tutorials, ...parts number replacements...etc. ..kept me riding for a decade or more. Thanks Dave!
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2019, 03:44:54 PM »
Gotta say, thanks for all of the input and advice. Also, since I'm fairly new to this board/group, glad that I could get a good conversation going! This is a great community.
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2019, 07:05:48 PM »
Maybe it had more relevance in the pre internet forum days. Before you could do a Google search or ask a question on a forum.

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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2019, 07:35:08 PM »
I can imagine it was a great reference once... Especially for those restoring bikes.

As some one who has spent a lifetime in the technical publishing industry I shared the OP's opinion.

Though I still understand how it might have a bunch of hidden pearls, there didn't seem to be anything relevant to me.
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2019, 07:59:13 PM »
I bet there ain't nothing in the book I can't get from asking a question here and a quick response from the guys on this forum:)

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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2019, 02:45:59 AM »
Did you read the inside title page before you bought it?

Did you consider the incredible amount of knowledge and experience you're getting for a measly $50, which barely buys dinner for two or 1/2 hour of mechanic's time?

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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2019, 03:27:25 AM »
Jeez thats gotta be a pain.
If Roper and Beetle jointly wrote a book Id pay twice that, especially if it focussed on stuff we have around these days. Would sell a lot Id imagine.
Entertaining too..
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2019, 07:06:43 AM »
 I bought Guzziology and liked reading all the info on carbs, jetting ,gearing and so on...Moto Guzzi's ,especially push  rod engines, are actually quite simple machines.Disassembl y in the proper order is not difficult. About the same complexity as a 70's Chevy truck...What is quirky is some of the engineering used but certainly not worse that other European machines.
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2019, 08:12:22 AM »
I bet there ain't nothing in the book I can't get from asking a question here and a quick response from the guys on this forum:)
from people who have read Guzziology and committed it to memory.
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2019, 10:18:32 AM »
from people who have read Guzziology and committed it to memory.

And if they don't have it committed to memory they can go look it up! :thumb: Admittedly, lots more info on big blocks and early small blocks but priceless to me. 
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2019, 11:04:16 AM »
from people who have read Guzziology and committed it to memory.
Mostly from folks who have hands on experience, as well as book learning.

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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2019, 09:26:05 AM »
OMG, the amount of product knowledge and what fits what in Guzziology is simply not repeated anywhere else. You too could learn it independently, but like I always say, any education cost money. $50 is cheap.

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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2019, 09:30:23 AM »
OMG, the amount of product knowledge and what fits what in Guzziology is simply not repeated anywhere else. You too could learn it independently, but like I always say, any education cost money. $50 is cheap.

But aside from some history, it is borderline utterly useless to a rider of late-model Guzzi motorcycles. That's something that people extolling it's benefits probably should share with the newbies. If you've got no interest in some history lessons and no interest in restoring old Guzzis it is not worth $0.10.

That's not a differentiation that most people make when mentioning it.
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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2019, 09:53:13 AM »
It was never meant to be that type of a manual, but rather to supplement the factory manual.

Have you seen these? They'll probably be more help (as would joining the Loopframe Guzzi Yahoo group
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Loopframe_Guzzi/info).

http://thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_loopframe_workshop_manuals___shop_manuals___service_manuals.html


Add this also to your Favorites.  These are all great sources.  I have used them extensively and find them very help full.  Along with the V11 Sport Forum.
https://archive.guzzitech.com/

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Re: Guzziology - Disappointed
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2019, 03:01:51 PM »

Add this also to your Favorites.  These are all great sources.  I have used them extensively and find them very help full.  Along with the V11 Sport Forum.
https://archive.guzzitech.com/

Not a lot of information there for an (original) Eldorado...
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