Author Topic: First Guzzi - Advice Sought (Read 6077 times)

Quielo · « **on:** July 22, 2019, 09:47:44 AM »

I'm a "returning rider" or just an old guy with rusty skills depending on whether you work in marketing. My last bike was a BMW K100 and I put over 30K miles on it though I have crashed 3 bikes in the distant past when I had habits that facilitated crashing.

I'm now living in a small city outside of Portland, OR and would like to get a mid-sized bike for around town and back road day tripping. I'm thinking very seriously about the V7 series though I am somewhat confused about the different models and somewhat apprehensive about buying a bike without a tach.

Looking at the dealers within a days ride I see.

Dealer   Year   Model   Color   $
1   2017   GRISO   Silver   8K
1   2017   V9 BOBBER   Grigio   7K
1   2018   V7 III MILANO   GRAY   7K
1   2018   V7 III CARBON DARK   Dark   8K
2   2017   V9 Roamer   White   7K
3   2017   V7 III Stone   Blue   6K
3   2017   V7 III Stone   Green   6K
3   2017   V7 III Stone   Black   5.8K

The above are just asking prices and I understand further negotiation is possible.

I like the red accents of the 2018 carbon dark and perhaps a numbered edition is worth something but is it worth $1200 more than a 2017 stone in black? I like the stone in green as well.

The Griso is way more powerful but perhaps I am too stupid to have a bike with 100 hp and should relax on a 750. The V9s are more power but I like the look of the V7s better. Of the 750's above is there any real difference other than looks?

Jim

Kev m · « **Reply #1 on:** July 22, 2019, 09:53:42 AM »

The Griso is almost a completely different animal. I won't say you should or should not get it, but the difference is more than just power. As much as I like Grisos, they're not for me, which is why we have two smallblocks in the fleet.

Dark vs. Stone (ha ha, we happen to have both). Worth more? Not for the numbered BS, but worth more IF YOU WANT it more yeah, otherwise probably not.

No tach, no big deal. I like tachs on my bikes, but the Dark doesn't really suffer for the want of one.

Bobber, kinda cool, definitely makes more power than the V7, but I find the V7s make enough anyway. And the Bobber tank isn't as nice nor does it hold as much.

Go ride a couple, buy when tickles your fancy. I don't honestly think there's a bad choice there.

LowRyter · « **Reply #2 on:** July 22, 2019, 09:55:12 AM »

Since you were riding a K bike, I'd think the performance of the Griso would be the preference. It's the only big block on the list.

fotoguzzi · « **Reply #3 on:** July 22, 2019, 10:01:57 AM »

Price on that Griso gives it more bang for the buck..

s1120 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 22, 2019, 10:43:32 AM »

The v7's might be a better bike for coming back to riding.. Im really not a fan of the dull paint of the new crop of bikes.. but the Carbon DOES look nicer to my eye.... but frankly for the money I would be looking at either the blue or green stone...

Dave Swanson · « **Reply #5 on:** July 22, 2019, 10:52:37 AM »

Any of the V7s would be a great choice. You will be looking at it for quite some time so if the looks of the Carbon Dark really does it for you it would be worth it. Otherwise you will never know the difference riding them Dark vs Stone.

And congratulations on your interest in Moto Guzzi!

Mayor_of_BBQ · « **Reply #6 on:** July 22, 2019, 11:43:53 AM »

get the Milano, you wont regret it

Tom H · « **Reply #7 on:** July 22, 2019, 11:57:54 AM »

I'm thinking the V7. If your of average build, the V7 should have plenty of power for trips in town and to go for some rides on the paved back roads. If I didn't have my Ambo and Eldo, I would look at a V7 or V9. If your plans are for two up riding, I would lean toward a V9.

JMHO,
Tom

antmanbee · « **Reply #8 on:** July 22, 2019, 12:08:07 PM »

A Griso at a little over 500lbs is about 100lbs heavier than a V7 with about double the horse power.
The Griso does not feel too heavy to me. It also has better suspension. But a hundred lbs certainly makes a difference.

Quielo · « **Reply #9 on:** July 22, 2019, 12:34:08 PM »

Thank you everybody. Note the HP and weight of the Griso. For me I would prefer to not be tempted to engage in behaviors that have put me on the ground previously. I'm older but not totally convinced I am wiser.

The Dark/Milano/Stone are just appearance packages? I believe the Milano is the only one with a tach which added to it being one model year newer may make it worth $1200 over the green 2017 stone. It looks like it comes with Pirelli Sport Demon tires. Never rode those but some of the reviews online have criticized these tires. Being in the PNW wet roads will be a real issue for me.

Kev m · « **Reply #10 on:** July 22, 2019, 12:53:18 PM »

All smallblocks had a Tach until the V7III came out in 2017, then a few of the models eliminated it for styling and model differentiation differences.

I find the SD's great, and quite sticky dry or wet, just they wear out a little too quickly.

Most V7s came with the SD's except maybe the Stornello or some other scrambler-esque variant.

Dave Swanson · « **Reply #11 on:** July 22, 2019, 12:55:05 PM »

Quote from: Quielo on July 22, 2019, 12:34:08 PM

The Dark/Milano/Stone are just appearance packages? I believe the Milano is the only one with a tach which added to it being one model year newer may make it worth $1200 over the green 2017 stone. It looks like it comes with Pirelli Sport Demon tires. Never rode those but some of the reviews online have criticized these tires. Being in the PNW wet roads will be a real issue for me.

Yes,just different trims other than the Milano having a tachometer.

Tires are similar to what oil you prefer. One will swoon in admiration of a particular tire while the next one will abhor. Personally I like the Sport Demon.

Dave Swanson · « **Reply #12 on:** July 22, 2019, 12:57:17 PM »

Quote from: Mayor_of_BBQ on July 22, 2019, 11:43:53 AM

get the Milano, you wont regret it

I saw one up close a couple weeks ago for the first time and am in agreement. It is my favorite of the current V7III s.

bad Chad · « **Reply #13 on:** July 22, 2019, 01:25:04 PM »

I wouldn’t call the Griso mid sized. Great bike but not really what I think you’re looking for.

The v7 series , I’d go with one of the III, as they are over all better then the first couple series. The v9 might be up your alley too, go ride a couple, they are great!

s1120 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 22, 2019, 02:02:48 PM »

Quote from: bad Chad on July 22, 2019, 01:25:04 PM

I wouldn’t call the Griso mid sized. Great bike but not really what I think you’re looking for.

The v7 series , I’d go with one of the III, as they are over all better then the first couple series. The v9 might be up your alley too, go ride a couple, they are great!

Good point... see if you can ride any of the V7's offerd,,, they are all going to ride the same... and try the V9. You might like the v9 better.

alanp · « **Reply #15 on:** July 22, 2019, 02:19:25 PM »

Something that I don't think has been mentioned are the wheels. Some of the bikes have cast wheels with tubeless tires and some have spoked rims with tubes. Tubeless tires are definitely a nice thing to have, but you should at least be aware of that distinction. Also, as mentioned some of the bikes do have a tach while others do not.
Best thing would be to make a list of characteristics that are important to you and go look at the bikes and see which bikes come closest to meeting your requirements, then ride a few.

Kiwi_Roy · « **Reply #16 on:** July 22, 2019, 02:24:52 PM »

I doubt you can go wrong with any of the bikes you listed, just check off what you want.
The Griso is a hoon machine rule that out (I have one)
Wire wheels come with tubes and their shortfalls
Tacho is nice.

The V7iii are all Hemi heads I believe, before that they were Herron head Kev will confirm that.
750s used to be considered a large bike, they have stacks of power.
A 5 gallon tank gives you a huge range, otherwise the V9s are very nice, I think they will be sort after in years to come.

Good Luck
Roy

KiwiKev · « **Reply #17 on:** July 22, 2019, 02:29:17 PM »

Quote from: Tom H on July 22, 2019, 11:57:54 AM

I'm thinking the V7. If your of average build, the V7 should have plenty of power for trips in town and to go for some rides on the paved back roads. If I didn't have my Ambo and Eldo, I would look at a V7 or V9. If your plans are for two up riding, I would lean toward a V9.

JMHO,
Tom

I bought a V9 Roamer last November and love the bike. No tach is no problemo, you can set the Rev warning light wherever you want.

Tank capacity is no problem either for me.

I would say that it's not ideal for carrying pillion passengers though. Pretty cramped on the back for average / small adults.

Kev

Huzo · « **Reply #18 on:** July 22, 2019, 03:03:02 PM »

Because you are returning and may (or may not), remain..
Would you consider a 750 Breva ?
Relatively small outlay and comfortable with no known terminal issues as far as I know. Relatively light and easily manageable while re learning your skills...(not saying you need to)

Just a thought..

malik · « **Reply #19 on:** July 22, 2019, 03:13:50 PM »

The test ride is the definer. It was for me, at least. Was looking at something else, took the V7 for a test, the rest is history. While armed with a full wallet, I'd also be tempted to test ride some other bikes as well, say, the RE Interceptor twin (an easier handler), the new SV650 (just for fun), the T100 Bonneville (heavier). Then a V7 again. That way you'll find out which one speaks your language, as it were.

If you are not wedded to the idea of new, that Breva idea of Huzo's is definitely worth a go. Think of the money you'd save (Guzzi-content).

Quielo · « **Reply #20 on:** July 22, 2019, 04:28:50 PM »

The 750 Breva is interesting but I have not seen any for sale either new or used anywhere near me. I'm pretty fixated on a Guzzi. I always wanted one and my current needs are so simple I'm not going to look at anything else. I had considered the Yamaha sr400 as I like kicking a bike over but it's just not for me.

Huzo · « **Reply #21 on:** July 22, 2019, 04:40:54 PM »

Quote from: Quielo on July 22, 2019, 04:28:50 PM

The 750 Breva is interesting but I have not seen any for sale either new or used anywhere near me. I'm pretty fixated on a Guzzi. I always wanted one and my current needs are so simple I'm not going to look at anything else. I had considered the Yamaha sr400 as I like kicking a bike over but it's just not for me.

Oh mate..
If you get any Guzzi, there’ll definitely be times when you’ll feel like kicking it over...

Bert Remington · « **Reply #22 on:** July 22, 2019, 06:06:06 PM »

Two items setting priorities:

!. "mid-sized bike for around town and back road day tripping"
2. "I like the red accents of the 2018 carbon dark and perhaps a numbered edition is worth something but is it worth $1200 more than a 2017 stone in black?"

Based on those priorities, I think the best affordable fit is a 2017 VIII Stone with the following luggage:

Side cases: https://www.motomachines.com/hepco-becker-c-bow-carrier-moto-guzzi-v7iii-in-black C-Bow mounts with https://www.motomachines.com/hepco-becker-oval-street-soft-bag-set 22L soft side bags or https://www.motomachines.com/hepco-becker-royster-street-soft-bag-black fancier 22L soft side bags. I am very much a fan of the C-Bow system and have it on both my Norge and Classic 500 which allows me to share bags between them.

Top case: H&B makes this rack https://www.motomachines.com/hepco-becker-rear-rack-moto-guzzi-v7iii-in-black but it forces the top case to sit too far rearward unless you are carrying a passenger which wasn't listed in your priorities. So perhaps another member can point you towards a rack that will allow you to mount the http://www.giviusa.com/givi-products/cases/monolock-cases/e300n2-30ltr-matte-black-case-detail Givi 30L Monolock case. It easily holds a full-face helmet with UClear wart; opens and closes easily; and is a snap to remove for a clean look and install for a snacks run. And for longer trips the http://www.giviusa.com/givi-products/cases/monolock-cases/e470na-47ltr-matte-black-detail 47L case will snap onto the same base mount. http://www.giviusa.com/givi-products/case-accessories/inner-bags-and-liners/t468b-inner-bag-detail liners are available. And Yes I have the base mount on the Norge and Classic 500.

I find a left-side Helmet Hook provides convenience and Grip Puppies provide comfort.

I had one of the first K100s and greatly enjoyed it. It mostly commuted 45 miles each way to work and ran flawlessly sun, rain, snow, etc. I dropped it many times (I lived on a rutted hilly dirt road); never dented the tank; and always picked it up by myself. Sometimes the snow melt was so bad I had to drive it into the rocky gutter and walk beside it to get up a hill. It was totally docile. I purchased it to slow down from it's Suzuki predecessors.

I have only sat on the V7 III but the weight and moment seemed close enough to the K100, maybe a bit in favor of the K100.

Let us know how it turns out and post pictures.

Tom · « **Reply #23 on:** July 22, 2019, 06:48:29 PM »

Check out the owner's club in OR. One way to make friends and talk about the bikes in person. I know of a low-mileage red Norge for sale and a nice Ambarado. (Ambassador/Eldorado hybrid) Both in Canby, OR.

guzzi4me · « **Reply #24 on:** July 22, 2019, 08:33:27 PM »

During my younger life I was a Honda fan. GL1000, CB550K, CB900C.

Was always interested in Guzzi's but didn't really consider them until my wife Laurie and I were in San Francisco for her birthday trip in 2001. She suggested we go by Munroe Motors just to see the Guzzi line up.

They had a 2001 Jackal V11, used, and I sat on it. Seemed to fit perfectly! It was Laurie's birthday trip but I got the gift of that Jackal!!

Fast forward to the present...due to some health concerns I realized that I would prefer something a bit smaller. Rode the V7II and the III. Preferred the look and riding ergos of the II so we bought it. This bike is FUN to ride!! No regrets at all going with the V7 series. The V7's have plenty of power.

I never considered another brand, for me it had to be a Guzzi. Like my tag line says it is a sickness!!

Ride the different models, go with what makes you feel good.

Most of all, ride safe and have fun!!

Jeff

Bulldog9 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 22, 2019, 10:31:01 PM »

GRiSO..... all day every day.

More power, fully adjustable suspension front and rear, character flexibility to cruise, sport or tour and personality out the wazoo. IF IT FITS YOU. Some find the ergos on the Griso challenging.

I added 1" risers and 1" drop foot pegs and the bike is sublime.

I LOVE my V7, but everything about the Griso is better, and where the V7 is a joy to ride, the Griso is intoxicating... A totally different animal. V9 leaves me cold on all counts, wish the motor was in a V7 chassis.

But in the end you have to find and ride what moves you. All good choices here...

Quielo · « **Reply #26 on:** July 22, 2019, 11:25:04 PM »

Thank you everybody for your time. I did send an email to the local Guzzi club but have not gotten a response as of yet. They have a campout in Canby so I'll drop by if I don't hear anything.

Huzo · « **Reply #27 on:** July 23, 2019, 03:08:09 AM »

One of Quielo’s requirements was for a mid sized bike, so maybe a Griso is more than he wants size wise ?

Bulldog9 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 23, 2019, 05:28:59 AM »

Quote from: Huzo on July 23, 2019, 03:08:09 AM

One of Quielo’s requirements was for a mid sized bike, so maybe a Griso is more than he wants size wise ?

The GRiSO is midsize isnt it? Between the V7 and 1400 series.

pete roper · « **Reply #29 on:** July 23, 2019, 06:05:07 AM »

I'd have to say no.

People know I'm a CARC bike tragic and Griso fanatic but I certainly wouldn't suggest that a cautious returning rider throw themselves into the Griso maelstrom.

For this gentleman I would think essentially a V7, any V7 from the 'Classic' right through to the current models, would be a good entry point.

Especially earlier models are now available at very affordable prices. Why not buy an early twin throttlbody model for peanuts, (Take a decent test ride to make sure it hasn't been arsed about with!) and use that to 'Test the water'? It may be that he finds the whole experience to be one of weird, unfathonable, bastardry! But he'll at least be only a few bucks out of pocket. If he buys even a 'Left Over' V7-III he'll pay lots more and if he does find he hates it he'll take a huge hit on, (Eventual!) resale.

Follow your heart, but really. I don't think the Griso is the bike for you at this time.

Just one opinion.

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Author Topic: First Guzzi - Advice Sought (Read 6077 times)

Bert Remington

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