my son is now 33. when 18, I bought him a 500 Ninja to train on. He now rides a multistrada, but he has had a ride on my v85 and was very impressed. I am pretty sure that on our next trip, I would only have to switch with him a few times for him to be convinced. But I just hate riding his bike. It is so twitchy and high strung, not relaxing at all and the seat pushes you forward into the tank.